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TBD wrote:Because one is only considered tolerant if one likes everything GW pushes upon us, right?

No, probably because the thing you quoted really wasn't bad or OTT at all. You overreacted, and honestly, I QFT what Scottywan said.

Scottywan82 wrote:

TBD wrote:

terrain can indeed have all sorts of "wacky" effects. From frenzy/similar to units within X inches, to additions when wizards channel the winds of magic, to forests attacking units in them or giving units FEAR when in there....

I will never ever even play one single game with these garbage rules.

Whew, that's a relief. One less intolerant player.

Hey, some people like having their Fantasy Battles focusing more on the Battles part and less on the Fantasy. It was in another WHFB thread (can't recall if this or another), but Flashman's "Who in their right mind would stop to pick and eat mushrooms in the middle of a battle?" statement comes into play. I'd like to imagine the troops have at least some semblance of professionalism: Would you enjoy 40K if there was a one-in-six chance that Space Marines that ran into some woods got high on Space Fungus?

EDIT:

Platuan4th wrote:

Minsc wrote:Guess that would explain why the Beastmen lacked a lot of Ward Save gear

Them and Skaven both(there's only a single 5+ Ward item in their list, the rest are on Eshin Troops, SCs, and the Bell).

So it'd appear that typical ward save gear is going to quickly start vanishing. I'm mixed on this. On one hand, some armies could really do with more Ward Saves that aren't stupidly situational (If being targeted by non-magic shooting of strength [x] or lower you get [y] ward save, light armor otherwise). On the other, it looks like it'll start making other armies have pretty much everyone blessed with the ability to shrug off 50%+ incoming hits.

I cannot see how people say this edition will pose the end to Hero Hammer. All I see it killing is the use of monstrous mounts without having a block to provide static res and negate stubborn.

TBD wrote:

terrain can indeed have all sorts of "wacky" effects. From frenzy/similar to units within X inches, to additions when wizards channel the winds of magic, to forests attacking units in them or giving units FEAR when in there....

I will never ever even play one single game with these garbage rules.

I'm not a fan of the wacky terrain either.

But whilst nobody is going to force you to play with these rules shouldn't you at least try them? Who knows, you might really enjoy them?

Frog scroll does sound useless unless it's the casting wizard who has to roll instead of the dispelling wizard. Sounds like an item the Bretonnians had a few editions ago.

Durzod wrote:Frog scroll does sound useless unless it's the casting wizard who has to roll instead of the dispelling wizard. Sounds like an item the Bretonnians had a few editions ago.

I think it might be the casting wizard.

"di you try and cast a spell?" *poof* "try and cast it now!"

*ribbit*

Karon wrote:Possible, or dispel scrolls are....*gasp* 75-100 points!

That would have to wait for all the army books to get a re-write though. From what I remember, we were told that army book overrules main book if the item price differs.

Minsc wrote:
I cannot see how people say this edition will pose the end to Hero Hammer.

I haven't heard-seen a single person say-tell that at all since they announced the rumour of 25% Lords and 25% Heroes.

skyth wrote:

Karon wrote:Possible, or dispel scrolls are....*gasp* 75-100 points!

That would have to wait for all the army books to get a re-write though. From what I remember, we were told that army book overrules main book if the item price differs.

Except you forget that all army books are getting a big errata for the new edition, mate.

Wooo doubleposting

Are these wacky magic items restricted to certain races or are we going to see Orc Warbosses and Dwarf Runesmiths flying around on magic carpets now?

*facepalm*

No magic items for dwarves of daemons.

But I guess Orcs can have a flying carpet. It doesn't literally have to be a carpet though, they could have a flying rock! That would be aces!

Or a flying boar!

Would you enjoy 40K if there was a one-in-six chance that Space Marines that ran into some woods got high on Space Fungus?

Mine frequently impale or immolate themselves with those exact odds when moving through wrecks or certain terrain features.

Remember that not every wood will ot has to have an affect, but they want terrain for the sales of mode...err... they want terrain to play a much bigger role than it does now, and some of the terrain pieces and ideas are things they've been trailing/showcasing for quite some time.

Volley fire allowing the third rank to fire is pretty sweet for archers, no partials for templates.. most of the rumours we've read/heard about are true. As ever the devil will be in the detail and how rules interact.

I'm 90% certain that characters with ward saves CAN take both an armour save and a ward save like now if they have one.

Magic is a lot more deadly : one of the lore of death spells does something crazy like inflicting 2d6 modified by targets T hits on a character ( even in a unit), that all wound on a 2+. If the target survives they suffer from stupidity. Take that Teclis !

I'm quite keen on the idea of mounting an Empire Wizard on a flying carpet. Just for the fun factor. I might even make it a shag carpet.

Karon wrote:

TBD wrote:Because one is only considered tolerant if one likes everything GW pushes upon us, right?

No, probably because the thing you quoted really wasn't bad or OTT at all. You overreacted, and honestly, I QFT what Scottywan said.

The thing I quoted might not be bad, ott or whatever TO YOU, but I do not need unnecessary stupid terrain shenanigans added to my game of WHF, so I think I'll decide for myself what I post, thank you very much

bravelybravesirrobin wrote:No magic items for dwarves of daemons.

But I guess Orcs can have a flying carpet. It doesn't literally have to be a carpet though, they could have a flying rock! That would be aces!

Or a flying boar!

Flying pigs. That'll be the day. And strangely enough, that day seems to be creeping ever closer...

Minsc wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:

TBD wrote:

terrain can indeed have all sorts of "wacky" effects. From frenzy/similar to units within X inches, to additions when wizards channel the winds of magic, to forests attacking units in them or giving units FEAR when in there....

I will never ever even play one single game with these garbage rules.

Whew, that's a relief. One less intolerant player.

Hey, some people like having their Fantasy Battles focusing more on the Battles part and less on the Fantasy. It was in another WHFB thread (can't recall if this or another), but Flashman's "Who in their right mind would stop to pick and eat mushrooms in the middle of a battle?" statement comes into play. I'd like to imagine the troops have at least some semblance of professionalism: Would you enjoy 40K if there was a one-in-six chance that Space Marines that ran into some woods got high on Space Fungus?

No, but I wouldn't babble on like a prat about how I will "Never play one game with these rules" or whatever other nonsense thing he said. If you don't like the rules, I would imagine you should sell your army and stop posting here. Spare us your faux-martyrdom.

Do these Frog Scrolls work on Slann? Slann basically are frogs and surely you can't turn a frog into frog as it already is a frog (Flashman logic).

well all toads are frogs but not all frogs are toads... my point being the scroll could have a pre set species not order (Anura) to turn them into and seeing as the slann would be a different species it would turn the slann to that species, and since the two are so similar I would imagine it would be easier to turn him into, and for the slann to turn back.

Basically What I'm saying is: no tow frogs are created equal

Just fired up my Lol-O-Meter, and so far, it's looking to be a 0-2....

Would you enjoy 40K if there was a one-in-six chance that Space Marines that ran into some woods got high on Space Fungus?

Probably people would enjoy that about as much as if there was a one in six chance that Chaos Dreadnoughts would stop and shoot twice often at their own troops, or that vehicles moving in rough terrain became immobilized or that troops deep striking into terrain were killed or that plasma guns would overheat or that ...

There's nothing new about rules such as Stupidity in WFB that cause troops to behave contrary to the wishes of the controlling player, they've been around quite a long time.

Sorry, is the new rulebook/edition coming out soon? theres a countdown on the GW site and i dunno what its actually for....

ghosty wrote:Sorry, is the new rulebook/edition coming out soon? theres a countdown on the GW site and i dunno what its actually for....

Its the countdown for end of the world as we know it, imagine all kinds of natural nasty disasters, starvation, plagues, ash clowds, you name it... all of that inside a wallet near you.

ghosty wrote:Sorry, is the new rulebook/edition coming out soon? theres a countdown on the GW site and i dunno what its actually for....

It's a count down to the 15th of this month, or at least thats what it's supposed to be counting down to. Apparently some of the count down clocks are off a bit. In either case, thats when you're supposed to be able to go to your FLGS and get a preview of 8th and they'll be running scenarios from it as well.

Sorry, is the new rulebook/edition coming out soon? theres a countdown on the GW site and i dunno what its actually for....

Do GW customers ever actually read the GW product announcements? GW has already sent out two email newsletters on the 8th Edition release, one in April and one in late May and forum users have plastered them all over here and been discussing them ever since.

Here's the text again from the May announcement, I won't waste a lot of space posting pictures that have already been shared.

Since we announced the new edition of Warhammer back in April, the excitement has been slowly building. Across the land hobbyists have begun gathering their forces in preparation of the mighty battles that lie ahead; in hushed whispers they've talked about what might lie within the 528-pages of the new Warhammer rulebook. Well prepare to ramp your excitement up a notch - Warhammer will be available to advance order from the 15th of June. Inspired by the clockwork creations of the engineers of Altdorf, we've today added a swish countdown clock to games-workshop.com, so you'll know exactly how many minutes and seconds to go before you can order your copy.

To thank you for subscribing to our newsletter (these images won't be shown anywhere else!) we thought we'd give you a sneak peek inside the new book. And don't forget that June's issue of White Dwarf is out this weekend and contains more exclusive information and pictures from the new Warhammer rulebook.

Enjoy.

The countdown -- I kid you not -- is to when you'll be able to give GW money to pre order the book.

...yeah.. I know..

It's also a countdown to when customers will be able to get their first hands-on look at the 528-page monster that GW is hoping you'll pre-order. Die hard players who want to continue will buy it sight unseen anyway and there are plenty of those out there, but it will be interesting to see the level of discretionary buying or not based on customers getting a look at the product. Who's expecting this to be $75-$79 US when they announce the price in another week?

Apparently some of the count down clocks are off a bit.

Aren't variations in the countdown clocks to be expected given time zone differences across GW's marketing area? It is a fairly global sales area.

Who's expecting this to be $75-$79 US when they announce the price in another week?

I absolutely expect it. Current rulebook is 57.00, and this new one is nearly twice as big. I'm going for a double hernia on July 10th. The first from packing in crates of the new book, and the second from having to lug those big sacks of money to the bank! Ka-Ching!

mikhaila wrote:Who's expecting this to be $75-$79 US when they announce the price in another week?

I absolutely expect it. Current rulebook is 57.00, and this new one is nearly twice as big. I'm going for a double hernia on July 10th. The first from packing in crates of the new book, and the second from having to lug those big sacks of money to the bank! Ka-Ching!

Evil!

And really, a lot of these new rules make me want to say one thing, and that thing is...

Pants.

I'll reserve final judgment until the release, of course.

mikhaila wrote:Who's expecting this to be $75-$79 US when they announce the price in another week?

I absolutely expect it. Current rulebook is 57.00, and this new one is nearly twice as big. I'm going for a double hernia on July 10th. The first from packing in crates of the new book, and the second from having to lug those big sacks of money to the bank! Ka-Ching!

Yeah. $75 for a rulebook. Are you kidding me!

I forsee a good chunk of players waiting until the starter minibook comes.
And if a minibook doesn't come, a resounding THUD as WHFB trips over its rulebook.

The GW rulebooks are already overpriced.
Look at the book for Black Powder.
Its a small run from an up and coming company (Warlord), and it is $44.

Why is GW the only company where economy of scale doesn't apply to the customer price?

Now now, Fantasy players will just do what they did for 7th edition. Not buy a rulebook, learn half the rules in stores and pick up bad habits then go to tournaments and have to have a judge come by ten times to correct them (who will also be wrong half the time).