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Thanks (actually I think the skin is too flat but I'm not good with large areas of skin so I need to try and learn to do that)

It's Freebooter's Succubus: http://www.freebooterminiatures.de/en/catalog/43

Well, count me in with those disappointed with the actual delivered product.

I've spent plenty of cash on Mantic, and I like what they do, but one of the problems I have with releasing Orx as a primary release is that it competes head on with one of GW's strengths: the quality and low price of Black Reach Ork Boys. Why buy Mantic Orx when you can get the "real thing" for roughly the same cost?

After putting together about half a box of Abyssal Dwarf Black Souls, I'm also not wild about more mantic hybrid kits. It was enough of a PITA that I'm thinking about selling off the rest of the full army of them I bought at Gencon.

Can we please push the whole I-like/I-do-not-like/You-are-an-idiot-not-to-share-my-taste-stuff to a different thread? I am looking for news and hate to skip pages of chicken bickering about a worm instead of finding the news.

Or at least rename the thread if no news are posted...

News threads are for discussing news, which naturally includes people stating whether they like and want to purchase a new release or not. If you want news without discussion, there are a few good tabletop news blogs out there -- of which I'm sure you are already aware.

If you want Mantic news as soon as it breaks, I'd suggest their own Blog, or Kings of War who they have an intimate relationship with. This is a discussion forum, not a "press releases only" board.

...unless you want to make the same comment regarding every other thread in this section of the forum, since Dakka was founded?

Yes, although this thread has to be a shining glory amongst them in terms of actual content. There are about 4 photos in 36 pages (slight exaggeration maybe )

The problem is when you have identikit mud-slinging responses go in either direction those of us who are sitting in the middle and just want to read here for news get hit by the said mud coming in from both sides.

And many threads often get locked regarding new releases, after the initial news just turns into wishlisting and a discussion about how good/bad a new rule is, on the basis that no new news is being posted in them.

News threads are for discussing news, which naturally includes people stating whether they like and want to purchase a new release or not. If you want news without discussion, there are a few good tabletop news blogs out there -- of which I'm sure you are already aware.

No I'm not actually, what are they?

Pacific wrote:No I'm not actually, what are they?

This is a good one: http://www.tabletopgamingnews.com/

I am very pleased that Mantic has sorted the problem out. I knew it was probably a mistake. My faith is restored

Forgefather pre-orders are up.

The plastic resin heavy weapon troops aren't expensive as the distributor predicted.

£9.99 for 5. Not bad.

Can't wait to see the pricing on the vehicles, if they manage to make those £9.99 as well, they're on to a winner.

6 extra free forgefather models have been added to the starter set, so I can minimize the amount of clone troopers if I want to (and I will be - I only want the enclosed helms and posable arms on my minis.. no fantasy bits other than the legs!).

As an aside, I disagree that the black reach orks are high-quality. Have you seen those things? They're all monopose. No seperate torso/head/2 arms/ extra bitz like the marauders have. Of course, you could always reply that the marauders look like cat poop and GW black reach boyz look better than Megan Fox, but then we'd be engaging in a "subject to taste" debate that won't go anywhere. On an objective "which models have more bitz and posability", the marauders win over black reach orks...and the (hideously expensive) regular GW orks win over the marauders.

As for "the real thing" comment... you might find it hard to believe, but they are actually trying to sell these models for use in warpath as their primary goal. The release of the game was the whole reason they rushed these models out, the rules were developing rapidly and they needed at least 2 armies to be "out there" to make games actually possible.

My forgefather army will, first and foremost, be a 2000-point Warpath army (for under £100!). It's only after I get a Corporation army that I'll have something that will also be used as a guard proxy for 40k.

I'll make a project log on here when I get hold of them, my colour scheme and basing is gonna be way more awesome than mantic's.

Well, first i must say im disapointed with the prices. Those plastics look costly. By other side, buying them in bunches really reduce their cost.

I dont liked the forge father i they ended up, and i dont like GW at all. I do like those orc guys, so i think im starting an orc army. I have to admit that talking about orcs i will miss some of the "GW style", but no so much i would miss my money.

20 dolars for 10 orcs is not cheap, but 35 for 20 start to be handsome. And they aparently give good discounts for retailers, wich mean they can be cheaper.

So, i think i have a greetide on the plans...

I think with Black Reach Orks vs Warpath Orx the argument is largely going to be an aesthetic one -

Despite the "mono-pose" nature, AoBR Orks are individual figures and quality sculpts that haven't been recycled from a WHFB starter box. Customisation is via both separate heads and arms. - not sure why you thought the heads were integral? The separate heads and arms, along with 10 unique torso sculpts are also what stops them from having the 'clone effect" that the "back-row" forgefathers seem to have.

And as far as mono-pose goes, it depends on whether you're talking about all models having the exact same pose or not - or having customisable arms and torsos for each figure. Because, you know, the Marauders and Forgefathers might not like you throwing so many stones from the inside of their glass houses. So perhaps better to just agree that the Orx/Orks main difference is aesthetic?

I'd personally call the recycling of the Orx sprues lazy/cost-cutting/disappointing, though they are of reasonable quality - and I wouldn't dispute that. The basic Forgefathers unfortunately, are of much lower quality than the Orx. GW's current cycle of plastics, both multipart and push-fit are very high quality at this stage.

I use "quality" in terms of sculpt quality. An aesthetic choice based on detail, overall "look" and much more. Therefore, IMO the plastic Fantasci-fi Orx are better quality than the Forgefathers, just as the Mantic Undead are better than the Dwarfs.

Mantic's business is built upon supplying alternative miniatures for Warhammer/40k. I'm sure they figure that if they can have people actually play their game as well, then so much the better, and that in turn will help their sales as an alternative game. But let's not kid ourselves that proxy models isn't their core business - at least at this stage. Getting Warpath out the door for Christmas sales is clearly a huge part of that.

The pricing of the figures being cheaper is also a good move. I look forward to seeing them reviewed on the sprues, unpainted, etc so I can see for myself if the arm proportions are as bad as they seemed in the preview shots or if it was hopefully just a camera angle. Because I'd honestly like to get some if the quality (in this case - body proportions) looks good.

The arms on the metal hero looked fine, but the heavy weapons guys looked to have gorilla-arms - too long for their frames. I look forward to "real" pictures of the models.

edit - formatting/spelling

I was comparing the black reach orks to the marauders, not the forgefathers. If you'd read my previous posts, you'd know that I don't think that 50% of the forgefathers are of an acceptable standard, so I could really do without the unwarranted "throwing stones in glass houses" lecture, thanks.

I know the black reach orks have *one* seperate arm and seperate heads, but the other arm is moulded to the body, and they are all standing in the same pose, hence "monopose". Whereas the Marauders have 2 seperate arms, heads, and a lot more in the way of bitz and things.

As for the forgefather plastics, find someone else if you want to debate those, I agree with you on their overall suckiness.. the sculpting on the sci-fi parts is great, but the tooling decisions made are so bad they might as well have just made the models in resin plastic and made them look as good as the heavy weapons troops rather than wasting time and money on half of a 2-dwarf sprue with hardly any components on it. I mean, yeah they'd have been £2/model instead of £1 and dakka would be bitching about "greedy mantic raising prices up to GW levels" while ignoring the resin plastic material, but at least I'd have some nicer models!

For the record, I do own the figures from black reach as well. They also suck, but do the job as game "tokens". I consider them to be only a little bit better than the Cloney McClonesworth plastic forgefather.

If you want reviews of the sprues, go on beasts of war, they've had HD unboxing videos of all the warpath models available to look at for the past month. The gorilla arm thing seems to be down to poor assembly... on a Bow video they noticed that one set of arms only fits right with one of the bodies.. and in the official mantic pictures they've gone and glued the wrong arms on to the wrong bodies!

scarletsquig wrote:As an aside, I disagree that the black reach orks are high-quality. Have you seen those things? They're all monopose. No seperate torso/head/2 arms/ extra bitz like the marauders have.

Have you ever seen Black Reach orks? Doesn't seem so. They have separate heads and arms. And they wear trousers and shoes

^ Read the post above yours.

I think Kroot was taking the mik more than anything

scarletsquig wrote:I was comparing the black reach orks to the marauders, not the forgefathers. If you'd read my previous posts, you'd know that I don't think that 50% of the forgefathers are of an acceptable standard, so I could really do without the unwarranted "throwing stones in glass houses" lecture, thanks.

I know the black reach orks have *one* seperate arm and seperate heads, but the other arm is moulded to the body, and they are all standing in the same pose, hence "monopose". Whereas the Marauders have 2 seperate arms, heads, and a lot more in the way of bitz and things.

For the record, I do own the figures from black reach as well. They also suck, but do the job as game "tokens". I consider them to be only a little bit better than the Cloney McClonesworth plastic forgefather.

If you want reviews of the sprues, go on beasts of war, they've had HD unboxing videos of all the warpath models available to look at for the past month. The gorilla arm thing seems to be down to poor assembly... on a Bow video they noticed that one set of arms only fits right with one of the bodies.. and in the official mantic pictures they've gone and glued the wrong arms on to the wrong bodies!

No problem on the FFs then - I confused you with another poster. For sprue reviews, I'll check out BoW if there's no other options. Those guys are a bit ..overenthusiastic about Mantic at the moment. I'd rather see reviews and quality pics from posters on here and other boards. Rather than sitting through 10 minute videos of them rambling aimlessly.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on the AoBR figures. I consider them to be pretty good, actually - And the torsos are similarly posed but unique sculpts, which I think is fine.

^ At least we can agree that BoW suck.

I stayed up past midnight to watch one of their exclusive mantic preview shows (which was 2 hours late, was supposed to air at 10pm) only to be faced with half an hour of drunk ugly dudes drinking beer out of pee bottles before the interviews with mantic started.

I'm waiting until January for the Corporation minis to arrive, though chances are, we'll get a super-duper-special-awesome pre-order deal first where they show off the concept art again as a product preview.

BrookM wrote:I'm waiting until January for the Corporation minis to arrive, though chances are, we'll get a super-duper-special-awesome pre-order deal first where they show off the concept art again as a product preview.

With any luck and a huge dose of reality and the pre order fiasco ringing fresh in their collective memories I should hope not. Preordering warpath just proved that it wasn't such a great idea showing pre order details and so called deals when you haven't shown your completed product yet. Let's hope that we get a little more than concepts to go on rather than three up models/designed spures anything other than how it was approached before.

Thorne wrote:

BrookM wrote:I'm waiting until January for the Corporation minis to arrive, though chances are, we'll get a super-duper-special-awesome pre-order deal first where they show off the concept art again as a product preview.

With any luck and a huge dose of reality and the pre order fiasco ringing fresh in their collective memories I should hope not. Preordering warpath just proved that it wasn't such a great idea showing pre order details and so called deals when you haven't shown your completed product yet. Let's hope that we get a little more than concepts to go on rather than three up models/designed spures anything other than how it was approached before.

It is their whole marketing thing though. They did it with their Abysmal Dwarves, their Orcs who are so "rad" their name has an "X" in it and now the initial Warpath releases.

BrookM wrote:

Thorne wrote:

BrookM wrote:I'm waiting until January for the Corporation minis to arrive, though chances are, we'll get a super-duper-special-awesome pre-order deal first where they show off the concept art again as a product preview.

With any luck and a huge dose of reality and the pre order fiasco ringing fresh in their collective memories I should hope not. Preordering warpath just proved that it wasn't such a great idea showing pre order details and so called deals when you haven't shown your completed product yet. Let's hope that we get a little more than concepts to go on rather than three up models/designed spures anything other than how it was approached before.

It is their whole marketing thing though. They did it with their Abysmal Dwarves, their Orcs who are so "rad" their name has an "X" in it and now the initial Warpath releases.

Orx with an X was the Warpath version. The 'Kings of War' version were Orcs.

Ya know, I like Mantic's stuff, as they look very nice and are sold at a VERY reasonable price.

When I grow dissatisfied with what I've got, I go looking for companies who have nice products, often not finding quite what I'm looking for, but Mantic is one of those companies that I keep coming back to look at their stuff. The only thing that has stopped me from starting up a Kings of War army in the past is the near-total lack of female miniatures outside the large box sets - though the Twilight Kin Sorceress looks quite nice indeed. I'm sure there's reasons for the general lack - particularly of female elves in the plastics - and I'm sure they're good reasons. If even a portion of the elves were female, the decision would be pretty much a no-brainer.

Enh, I always dislike removing female miniatures from the table after they've been killed. Maybe I'll give it some more thought.

Mantic opened a competition. I think they are joking with us...

http://www.manticblog.com/?p=4512

And give us some new color schemes for Forge Fathers:




I liked the Green, Black, and for my surprise, the Red...
(those are photoshoped you know...)

Those look to be SS' photoshop manips.

Yeah, they are lol

Yeah, I would really want to see the sprue and "real" model shots. They still have that "gorilla-arm" thing going. To explain WTH I'm on about - look at the "sergeant". See his pistol arm, but ignore the pistol itself. Now imagine if he lowered his arm towards the ground and extended his elbow so the arm was straight. His knuckles would be on the ground. It's one of those things I just can't get past since noticing it, which is a shame as the models are otherwise well-sculpted. - hence why I'm keen to see "real" photos of the models.

I also agree on the green/black/red all looking better than the blue, though I think it's unfair to call the blue/gold scheme "copying Ultramarines/GW" - you may as well say the same about Warmachine/Cygnar. I think it's just a bad choice of tone - if that blue was a darker, less rich blue (with a bit more purple in the mix - Moody Blue for those who remember) it would look better.




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Actually - a darker green would look better as well. Something more like a DA-type green - but a little more earthy, accentuated with copper, bronze and brass, other dark metals is probably the way I would go with them.

What i am wondering is if the arms of regular troopers would fit those heavy bodys well...

But even if that occur, a unit of 10 will be very costly...

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:What i am wondering is if the arms of regular troopers would fit those heavy bodys well...

But even if that occur, a unit of 10 will be very costly...

I don't think that they will.

About the "Orangutan" arms: it doesn't look as if the Steel Warriors are that far off the Stormrage Veterans. I think they look cool! I could imagine a Dwarf having long arms to hurl himself around confined subterranean spaces

Mantic's latest video:

http://youtu.be/kBcy6b_h32k

Golem really did do an excellent job with that display board.

The competetion sounds fun, too!

Those helms on the dwarves look like chicken faces. the triangular pieces near the chin look like beaks...

Not moved by these figs at all...

I hope some of the other races/models have more appeal for me...

scipio.au wrote:Yeah, I would really want to see the sprue and "real" model shots. They still have that "gorilla-arm" thing going. To explain WTH I'm on about - look at the "sergeant". See his pistol arm, but ignore the pistol itself. Now imagine if he lowered his arm towards the ground and extended his elbow so the arm was straight. His knuckles would be on the ground. It's one of those things I just can't get past since noticing it, which is a shame as the models are otherwise well-sculpted. - hence why I'm keen to see "real" photos of the models.

I've made the same complaint. I far prefer the body shape used in Dungeons and Dragons.