Fairly Solid Necron Rumors - (updated 5/5 with new stuff)

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**samrtk**

Mar wrote:I do not think its unfair that invulnerable saves are invulnerable. Maybe that is just me.

I think its ridiculous that they're so common.

**GoDz BuZzSaW**

I dunno what gak you're selling... But I aint buying it!

**Mar**

True they are a bit common but I guess I was shocked that of all the rumours in that article everyone fixated upon one thing ><

**Kurgash**

Mar wrote:True they are a bit common but I guess I was shocked that of all the rumours in that article everyone fixated upon one thing ><

It's the most iconic thing for Necrons aside their durability. They are the only race with the means to take away the save everyone seems to rely on the most, stealing away that shred of hope.

**fleet of claw**

it does seem wierd that almost every necron unit has an invunrible save

**kenzosan**

Wbb is not an invul save. I haven't seen the codex for over a year, but IF they all have invul saves then why not? They are robots, daemons have invuls, like daemons they are unknown constructs.

**Medium of Death**

Necron Jetbikes? and Destroyers?

I thought Destroyers were the equivalent of jetbikes?

If I see a necron warrior straddling a jetbike...

Looking for to this release regardless!

**kitch102**

Anyone got pictures of anything?

**Just Dave**

Kurgash wrote::( I don't like that change to the scythe.

You can't have been expecting it to stay the same, surely? Necrons now have the only weapon that can ignore Inv. save with the phase knife in GK just causing instant death...
I can understand the complaint, the existing warscythe is awesome, but I can understand it for GW too.

**Kevin949**

Mar wrote:I do not think its unfair that invulnerable saves are invulnerable. Maybe that is just me.

Invulnerable save doesn't mean it's infallible, otherwise the vindicare wouldn't be able to stop it either. Don't you find it odd that a character can destroy the item granting the INV save when said item should be "invulnerable" as well?

**Mar**

Indeed its not shocking if you noticed they removed this from other similar weapons but hey if half that article happens the lords sound cool also the way the article is worded it implies at least 2 types of lords has HQ's a weak one and a stronger one. I think at least.

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Kevin949 wrote:
Mar wrote:I do not think its unfair that invulnerable saves are invulnerable. Maybe that is just me.

Invulnerable save doesn't mean it's infallible, otherwise the vindicare wouldn't be able to stop it either. Don't you find it odd that a character can destroy the item granting the INV save when said item should be "invulnerable" as well?

I merely meant its a valid opinion to think invulnerable saves can not be stopped from being rolled and one GW seems to have with them removing the ability to do this across weapons similar to the war scythe for example the c'tan phase sword.

**angelshade00**

Another thing. If you follow the link on BoK, you'll see it says a couple more stuff about the Necrons as well. One of them was about 4 different types of weapons available (Ray, Gauss, Tesla and Particle). Any thoughts on those? I hope they don't get the idea (as I read at one point somewhere) of adding different colored rods for different types of weapons for the Necrons. I think I'd hate my pretty robots running around like a circus with a bunch of different colors on their guns...

And of course I don't like the change to the Warscythe...but I suppose I can live with it...

**Kroothawk**

bhsman wrote:http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2011/05/12/future-tact-necron-random-unit-review/

snip

You forgot to quote the first paragraph where the author describes how awesome he is and how difficult it is for an omniscient being like him to chose what wisdom to share with us mere mortals

**Mar**

the guy is not my cup of tea that is for sure but rumours are rumours I am afraid and I ate them up! and to this weapon types I do not think they are to do with the Rod's colours and the like have always been to do with artistic flavour with GW I think but otherwise more information would be awesome, particle and tesla and the like are sounding quite cool and 'advanced' a possibly a good theme so I approve.

**Kevin949**

Mar wrote:Indeed its not shocking if you noticed they removed this from other similar weapons but hey if half that article happens the lords sound cool also the way the article is worded it implies at least 2 types of lords has HQ's a weak one and a stronger one. I think at least.

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Kevin949 wrote:
Mar wrote:I do not think its unfair that invulnerable saves are invulnerable. Maybe that is just me.

Invulnerable save doesn't mean it's infallible, otherwise the vindicare wouldn't be able to stop it either. Don't you find it odd that a character can destroy the item granting the INV save when said item should be "invulnerable" as well?

I merely meant its a valid opinion to think invulnerable saves can not be stopped from being rolled and one GW seems to have with them removing the ability to do this across weapons similar to the war scythe for example the c'tan phase sword.

Ya, my friend is ALWAYS complaining about that and I almost never take warscythes anyway. Besides, who in their right mind takes pariahs now anyway? And other than the c'tan and lord, no one else gets them. So it's not like they're prevalent in the army anyway.

**nosferatu1001**

CSM had a no-inv saves weapon, so on a MC Daemon Prince you got no saves. They lost that when their book got done....so not a surprise that necrons would lose theirs.

**Mar**

Kevin949 wrote:
Mar wrote:Indeed its not shocking if you noticed they removed this from other similar weapons but hey if half that article happens the lords sound cool also the way the article is worded it implies at least 2 types of lords has HQ's a weak one and a stronger one. I think at least.

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Kevin949 wrote:
Mar wrote:I do not think its unfair that invulnerable saves are invulnerable. Maybe that is just me.

Invulnerable save doesn't mean it's infallible, otherwise the vindicare wouldn't be able to stop it either. Don't you find it odd that a character can destroy the item granting the INV save when said item should be "invulnerable" as well?

I merely meant its a valid opinion to think invulnerable saves can not be stopped from being rolled and one GW seems to have with them removing the ability to do this across weapons similar to the war scythe for example the c'tan phase sword.

Ya, my friend is ALWAYS complaining about that and I almost never take warscythes anyway. Besides, who in their right mind takes pariahs now anyway? And other than the c'tan and lord, no one else gets them. So it's not like they're prevalent in the army anyway.

Thats what I mean people are treated to more rumours to think about to discuss or whatever but instead they focus on a change that effects very little. DARN YOU INTERNETZ!!!

**Sectiplave**

I'm liking the sound of where the Codex has gone...... options, and a lot of them! I'm reserving pre judgement of the fluff till I've read the codex back to back a few times.

However I think madcow has misunderstood the transport for a destroyer body, it specifically says it is a single unit transport, however the lord can trade wounds to keep it from being damaged I take it, the way it's worded make this sound like an option, so he could decide to let it crash and burn and go back to foot. But yes it very much sounds like it will confer hit and run.

Hidden warscythe crypteks in your warrior squads sounds good, I'm interested to see their statline however, if they are Initiative 2 I'll be a little disappointed.

**Kevin949**

Mar wrote:
Thats what I mean people are treated to more rumours to think about to discuss or whatever but instead they focus on a change that effects very little. DARN YOU INTERNETZ!!!

Hey, as long as I can still take squads that have inv saves (I.E. Wraiths, and hopefully others) then I'm good. I'm liking the possibility (if true, obviously) of upgrading a lord to 2+ save.

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nosferatu1001 wrote:CSM had a no-inv saves weapon, so on a MC Daemon Prince you got no saves. They lost that when their book got done....so not a surprise that necrons would lose theirs.

Isn't the CSM book a clusterf*** now though? I mean, I really hear nothing good about it.

Also, Necron>CSM.

**Mar**

If these rumours prove true I really do like how this is going it feels a lot like what the new dark eldar codex refreshing old fluff/rules/models and all that Jazz.

**Melissia**

Sounds promising.

**Ascalam**

It wouldn't be if they weren't being hoarded by the IOM and Chaos.

Tau- do they have a single model with an inv save?
Nids- Bit sparse here too, Zoanthropes are the only unit o can remember that has them
Orks- 5+ at best, and very few units can take them (barring Ghazzy's waagh)
Dark Eldar have a few. 5+ on vehicles is nice. 2+ is good too, but usually a bit short lived (it burns out). Wyches in combat, Harlies ?
Eldar have a fair few (warlocks mainly)
Daemons have them all over the place - that i'll grant

CSM - Beats me- don't have the dex
Marines (of various colours) 3+ inv is common, usually on a 2+ regular save platform...

**grmpf**

Kurgash wrote::( I don't like that change to the scythe.

Yeah, this seems pretty "meh", but the rest looks cool. I wonder, however, what the d9 stupidity means... With the rumored 6 new vehicles and the 6 SC, that totals 12. Not counting the C'tan shards, the rumored jump infantry, the Crypteks, the Tomb Blades, the Necromancer and the Doomsday wielder. If we count army slots, that gives 6. (SC; HQ; Elites; Troops; Heavy Support; Fast Attack) And if he truly speaks about a common Lord, then its not even a new unit. WTF?

With Phase shifter and armor, it seems that we would be able to have a S7 T5 W3 2+/3++/"WBB" HQ for 100-200pts! (upgrades are supposed to be cheap) Madness if we dont count the DK.

**Kevin949**

I'm going to miss the T6 lord. :(

**Ascalam**

But he was 'too hard' for S4 (read Big-shoulder-plate support club) foes to beat

If I wasn't resolved to waiting until i have the codex in hand for a fair and just appraisal i'd join the nerd rage big time.

My resolve on that is cracking a tad

**Kevin949**

Ascalam wrote:But he was 'too hard' for S4 (read Big-shoulder-plate support club) foes to beat

If I wasn't resolved to waiting until i have the codex in hand for a fair and just appraisal i'd join the nerd rage big time.

My resolve on that is cracking a tad

Well, T6 with res orb and phase shifter? Pretty tough. Plus it was nice against assault/auto cannons (I believe those were both S6). Just nice not letting my opponent roll so many 2+ wounds. Heh.

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Oh, you said "was" not "wasn't". But not really any tougher then any MC.

**ShatteredBlade**

Feh, I could really care less if they have broken rules or not. I just want to see Necrons back on the table again!

**Anpu-adom**

MadCowCrazy wrote:Translation of the regurgitated mess from BoS

Here are some Necron rumours for you

Necron Lord
Cost: Just under 100pts (no idea what hundo means but I'm guessing 100).
Stats:
T5 W3
Unlocks Crypteks

Wargear:
Can take Destroyer Body for 50-100pts
Gives Hit and Run?
Makes him a Vehicle? Starts as 13/11/11 but as you take damage you go down to 11/11/10? So for each wound he takes he loses 1 armour value on all sides down to a min of 10?

Comes with Staff of Light
May exchange for Warscythe for free
Warscythe makes him S7 with power weapon hits, so it's a +2S Power weapon similar to the Sisters Blessed weapon or Dark Eldar ones.
May exchange for a Gauntlet = Flamer
2 Sword options that seem rather meh

Phylactery = When he dies roll a D6 = 1-3 he dies, 4+ he stands up with 1-3 wound depending on how high you rolled.
Rez Orb = Boosts the WBB to a 4+
Phase Shifter = 3++

Can upgrade his armour to 2+

Branishackles, similar to Grey Knights grenades with the effect to make units attack their own.

Necron Hunter Killer Missile, S8+ AP3+ Probably Blast or Large Blast.

Seems they got him in Resin

I think you are misunderstanding him. I think that he's making fun of everyone who's taking the Necron rumor hype too seriously.

**Sectiplave**

I get the impression madcowcrazy may have misinterpreted the personal transport, I don't think it is a destroyer body, it sounds like an actual transport vehicle, even if it is one man.

Also this line here "he can fuel repairs to the vessel out of himself" leads me to believe he can let the vehicle be wrecked, if he doesn't want to give up wounds to keep it running. This leads to more questions, so he can sacrifice wounds to nullify damage results to the vehicle, if you can do this for wrecked and destroyed it could be pretty nifty.

I'm liking the sound of the variation and options that we should have access to, I'm hoping to see some more rumors from this scrouge McDuck of rumors as it appears he has direct access to the codex. Also the D9 crap is super confusing, I want to see him roll D-WRAITHS! I really want to see the changes to them.

Yeah the thread has 60,000 views, he knows he is screwing with a massive audience

**Nightbringer's Chosen**

Ascalam wrote:Tau- do they have a single model with an inv save?

Like, a billion Shield Drones?
And Shield Generators that their characters can take.
The Space Pope may have one, but I'm not sure, since I develop a sudden nose bleed and dizziness whenever I try to remember his rules.