Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

I can confirm from my info that the Warscythe is indeed a +2 Strength power weapon (that no longer ignores invulnerable saves).

I personally think its a good thing that they've removed most of the anti-invulnerable save gear from the game, but maybe that's just me. I mean, I'm as sick as everyone else with all the invulnerable saves in the game now, but I also hate the merry-go-round that GW seems to do sometimes with making special rules and then making special rules to ignore those special rules and then making special rules to ignore those special rules.

Also remember that while a single Lord with a S7 Warscythe may not sound all that mean, there is an Elite unit that also can all take those same S7 Warscythes.

And yes, some of the more Elite Necron units do have access to invulnerable saves themselves, depending on what weapon configuration the models take.

The removal of the "ignore invulnerable saves too" tallies with a snippet I heard a while back.

Bit too good against daemons one would suggest.

yakface wrote:

I can confirm from my info that the Warscythe is indeed a +2 Strength power weapon (that no longer ignores invulnerable saves).

That pretty much validates what he is saying about the standard Necron lord then I would imagine, giving enough salt for misinterpretations or poor memory.

It's not as awesome as it once was, but it is sounding nice to hear about high strength power weapons being able to be scattered among the army. Also these weapon types are sounding interesting, I'm imagining different weapons coming with the destroyer kits to give everyone a new reason to buy them

Pretty please leak us some hard figures on the Wraiths

I'm less hopeful the more I hear now :( I don't want to have to buy transports and new units to have a viable army.. this is a bit annoying.. But still we wait in hope...

I do not think you need transport to have a viable army from this information. Obviously all then umbers are not down yet but if this is one of the two transport like I believe it is then at least we know basically that we have a lord transport and a normal one. also I really see the flip side to this transport that although it may do all these useful things nothing puts a 'hit me' sign on a single important character like a one man transport!

So I guess the warscythe will also loose its 2D6 pen roll then.

So in my list I normally run there is now 3 units that won't function at all like they used to (lord, Deceiver, pariahs)

I normally run:

Deceiver.
Lord
Pariahs
Immortals
warriors
scarab swarms
and liths.

I only had 4 units which could pen tanks.... now I have 1.

*SIGH* the more rumours I hear, the more I think my army might be shelved. (4+ save on warriors, 5+ WBB, T4 immortals, transports, C'tan shards, warscythes , etc.)

Sectiplave wrote:I get the impression madcowcrazy may have misinterpreted the personal transport

He isn't exactly clear, never seems to be. To me it's all just a regurgitated mess and the first half of the article is about him having access to the codex and could give us all the knowledge but instead rolls a D9 on some random unit table and decides he will talk about some king unit. He doesn't even say it's a Necron Lord he is talking about unless I missed it somewhere. It's doodoo like this that makes people misunderstand and misinterpret rules or units, it's like her got his inspiration from Ward and decided to post rumours in a similar fashion to how Ward writes rules.

I have an almost personal grudge against Matt Ward for changing all of this fluff around at his whim. Necron Pariahs have been established in books, video games, as well as the tabletop. I really hope that he doesn't go all out with this new codex: sure new models and vehicles are cool, but are they necessary? Making a mechanized Necron list not only denies the established lore, but is just downright dumb. Does every new codex have to be the best? I think just a revision of the units already available would be a better option than throwing tons of new units just so an army has 'one of everything' (MC, DT, Tanks, etc).

My friend runs a necron list and he is, after reading this, considering dropping the army. I cant say I blame him, seeing as he would have to buy a ton more troops, transports, and other things just to have a 'new and viable' army that can stand its ground. :/

Everyone hates Mat Ward in one way or another, this has been established, it's a constant and therefore doesn't need to be talked about.

Fair enough. I don't play tau, and the one tau player i occasionally play doesn't use shield drones. I doubt they get to field a billion of them though

I do not hate Matt Ward, I think its ignorant to do so. All his changes are not done just because he can he needs GW to agree with his changes and they also give their expectations of a new book to whomever writes it. If you hate the changes to something you should probably hate everyone involved but then why hate over such a thing? People need to get perspective.

Now I prefer for the silly internet hate to come my way because I suspect those that jump to conclusions will stop to reply after reading six words of my post...

Well the idea of having an entire unit of guys with str 7 attacks makes me feel slightly better. Time to get painting those Pariah models to use as something else.

I'm thinking it will all depend on the quality of the new models. If they are up to the quality of the new dark eldar ( I love my dark eldar models ) then I absolutely won't care about who is writing whatever it is he wrote. The lore for the Necrons in the necron codex is so little, after reading other books I was left wanting more. If they write this in the necron's perspective instead of the imperial perspective I won't care about the changes.

TheMostSlyFox wrote:Making a mechanized Necron list not only denies the established lore, but is just downright dumb. Does every new codex have to be the best? I think just a revision of the units already available would be a better option than throwing tons of new units just so an army has 'one of everything' (MC, DT, Tanks, etc).

The mechanised thing is thanks to the mission rules of 5e that make it a requirement for competitive gaming. When the wheel next turns, we'll get something different, I'm sure.

Agamemnon2 wrote:

TheMostSlyFox wrote:Making a mechanized Necron list not only denies the established lore, but is just downright dumb. Does every new codex have to be the best? I think just a revision of the units already available would be a better option than throwing tons of new units just so an army has 'one of everything' (MC, DT, Tanks, etc).

The mechanised thing is thanks to the mission rules of 5e that make it a requirement for competitive gaming. When the wheel next turns, we'll get something different, I'm sure.

This is true and the game needs to be changing and evolving otherwise it will stagnate. The new books give plenty of options compared to the old ones and although not all are 'viable' (whatever that means to you) when the next edition comes maybe other parts of the book will be viable. Perhaps this will help if codexe's are not updated that quickly but I am under no belief I can see the future.

I liked my friend's response to BoK's post: "So I can give my Necron Lord Artificier Armor, a Storm Shield AND a Relic Blade? Awesome! ... "

Kroothawk wrote:You forgot to quote the first paragraph where the author describes how awesome he is and how difficult it is for an omniscient being like him to chose what wisdom to share with us mere mortals

It wasn't anything people would be interested in? If I wanted to quote the whole thing I wouldn't have used a link.

normally I play destroyer wing based army, almost always with heavy destroyers, and gotta say that they're great at busting tanks with their Strength 9 AP 2 Heavy 1 Heavy Gauss Cannon. But my interest as been piqued by whatever this new vehicle happens to be that is loaded out with a 72" Strength 9 AP1 Ord. 1/Large Blast, I'm hoping it's around the cost of a Heavy Destroyer, I wouldn't mind swapping them out too much.

bhsman wrote:I liked my friend's response to BoK's post: "So I can give my Necron Lord Artificier Armor, a Storm Shield AND a Relic Blade? Awesome! ... "

And this is why I'm getting more nervous for the Necrons. I mean c'mon removing the Invun save negation is ludicrous. It's an established piece of wargear that does not cause Instant-Death (otherwise it'll be overpowered in the extreme) but as fluff goes is made of the same metal used in Necron craft (I think) and it slices through everything. Now we're saying it can't slice through bubbles (Iron Halo, etc) or a shield. This is a farce. I would have accepted the loss of 2d6 armour pen but not the invun save. And making it a Relic Blade is creating another Marine army in robot suits. This codex is looking worse by the day. First transports (not required), then Pariahs going away (should have been changed, not removed), and now warscythes degrading.

Do I have to burn this book now? Or head to GW HQ myself and hit someone around the head with a dreadsock?


... sorry I'm ranting now.

King Pariah wrote:normally I play destroyer wing based army, almost always with heavy destroyers, and gotta say that they're great at busting tanks with their Strength 9 AP 2 Heavy 1 Heavy Gauss Cannon. But my interest as been piqued by whatever this new vehicle happens to be that is loaded out with a 72" Strength 9 AP1 Ord. 1/Large Blast, I'm hoping it's around the cost of a Heavy Destroyer, I wouldn't mind swapping them out too much.

You think it's going to be only 65 points? Doubtful. Unless it's 10 all around and can only move 6" (or not at all) or something.

Juvieus Kaine wrote:

bhsman wrote:I liked my friend's response to BoK's post: "So I can give my Necron Lord Artificier Armor, a Storm Shield AND a Relic Blade? Awesome! ... "

And this is why I'm getting more nervous for the Necrons. I mean c'mon removing the Invun save negation is ludicrous. It's an established piece of wargear that does not cause Instant-Death (otherwise it'll be overpowered in the extreme) but as fluff goes is made of the same metal used in Necron craft (I think) and it slices through everything. Now we're saying it can't slice through bubbles (Iron Halo, etc) or a shield. This is a farce. I would have accepted the loss of 2d6 armour pen but not the invun save. And making it a Relic Blade is creating another Marine army in robot suits. This codex is looking worse by the day. First transports (not required), then Pariahs going away (should have been changed, not removed), and now warscythes degrading.

Do I have to burn this book now? Or head to GW HQ myself and hit someone around the head with a dreadsock?


... sorry I'm ranting now.

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!!! (proceeds to charge GW's HQ)

But it seems that though perhaps the pariah unit is disappearing, it may be that they are being changed to something else (Crypteks possibly?) I think we can't really start blasting old Matt until the new codex comes out over that one. But yeah, I agree, I WANT MY WARSCYTHE!

Juvieus Kaine wrote:

bhsman wrote:I liked my friend's response to BoK's post: "So I can give my Necron Lord Artificier Armor, a Storm Shield AND a Relic Blade? Awesome! ... "

And this is why I'm getting more nervous for the Necrons. I mean c'mon removing the Invun save negation is ludicrous. It's an established piece of wargear that does not cause Instant-Death (otherwise it'll be overpowered in the extreme) but as fluff goes is made of the same metal used in Necron craft (I think) and it slices through everything. Now we're saying it can't slice through bubbles (Iron Halo, etc) or a shield. This is a farce. I would have accepted the loss of 2d6 armour pen but not the invun save. And making it a Relic Blade is creating another Marine army in robot suits. This codex is looking worse by the day. First transports (not required), then Pariahs going away (should have been changed, not removed), and now warscythes degrading.

Do I have to burn this book now? Or head to GW HQ myself and hit someone around the head with a dreadsock?


... sorry I'm ranting now.

Well, the fact there is a S5 T5 3+ elite that is probably the squad that wields these new warscythes...I'm sure that is what the pariahs are now, just not called pariahs.

Kevin949 wrote:

King Pariah wrote:normally I play destroyer wing based army, almost always with heavy destroyers, and gotta say that they're great at busting tanks with their Strength 9 AP 2 Heavy 1 Heavy Gauss Cannon. But my interest as been piqued by whatever this new vehicle happens to be that is loaded out with a 72" Strength 9 AP1 Ord. 1/Large Blast, I'm hoping it's around the cost of a Heavy Destroyer, I wouldn't mind swapping them out too much.

You think it's going to be only 65 points? Doubtful. Unless it's 10 all around and can only move 6" (or not at all) or something.

I said "around" which for me means 15-35 points more. Sorry, shoulda clarified.

I never thought I'd be saying this, but the current codex looks more appealing so far. Kinda sad that after waiting a bazlliion years for an update many of the rumours are disheartening.

asimo77 wrote:I never thought I'd be saying this, but the current codex looks more appealing so far. Kinda sad that after waiting a bazlliion years for an update many of the rumours are disheartening.

Never mind, if we don't like it we can sell off our ol- Wait, noone will want old models... Well, we can carry on using the old Co- Wait, it's still suck... Shoop da woop...

King Pariah wrote:

Kevin949 wrote:

King Pariah wrote:normally I play destroyer wing based army, almost always with heavy destroyers, and gotta say that they're great at busting tanks with their Strength 9 AP 2 Heavy 1 Heavy Gauss Cannon. But my interest as been piqued by whatever this new vehicle happens to be that is loaded out with a 72" Strength 9 AP1 Ord. 1/Large Blast, I'm hoping it's around the cost of a Heavy Destroyer, I wouldn't mind swapping them out too much.

You think it's going to be only 65 points? Doubtful. Unless it's 10 all around and can only move 6" (or not at all) or something.

I said "around" which for me means 15-35 points more. Sorry, shoulda clarified.

No way a scimmer with that weapon is gonna be less then 200 points. Maybe if it were 10 all around or that was the only weapon or both.

Still, a vehicle packing a S9 Ap1 72" Ordnance gun for 100 points? I can't see it.

Praxiss wrote:Still, a vehicle packing a S9 Ap1 72" Ordnance gun for 100 points? I can't see it.

A Hammerhead with railgun is only 140 points, and that has 2 modes of fire. 100 points isn't that unlikely, imo.

Really? I thought they would be more than that (never even looked at a Tau codex).

Considering it is Necron, i would have thought they would be tougher or have soemthgin special abotu them. With that gun stat i would guess at around 150 if not more.

Scarey Nerd wrote:

Praxiss wrote:Still, a vehicle packing a S9 Ap1 72" Ordnance gun for 100 points? I can't see it.

A Hammerhead with railgun is only 140 points, and that has 2 modes of fire. 100 points isn't that unlikely, imo.

S10 ap1 heavy or an ord shot that isi wanna say ap4 and I can't recal s, but its an infantry killer, not a tank buster like you want. And a large blast at that.

Praxiss wrote:Still, a vehicle packing a S9 Ap1 72" Ordnance gun for 100 points? I can't see it.

Considering an Ork looted wagon with a boomgun comes to 105 and is S8 AP3 36" Ordnance, I can't see it either.