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Keywords have always been there, though. Its how they subtly got Eowyn's ability to kill Nazgul in the game (she's a WOMAN, not a MAN, model).

 judgedoug wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I wonder if GW has gotten rights to do any of the stuff from the "Shadow of..." games.

No

Booooooooooooooo. Talion on a Caragor would have been pretty sweet for the "Character" series.

Some extra terrain kits would be nice, maybe some new ruined statues and such. Maybe bree houses too.

Having great fun coming up with terrain ideas at the moment and building all sorts but some kits that can be thrown together would come in handy.

WOTR is seriously an amazing rule set. Unfortunately once you get into army selection there is absolutely no balance between factions. Evil is leagues more powerful than good. Since its a dead unsupported rule set and its probably never getting a proper update, Ive been updating it myself recently and were having alot of fun with it.

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
WOTR is seriously an amazing rule set. Unfortunately once you get into army selection there is absolutely no balance between factions. Evil is leagues more powerful than good. Since its a dead unsupported rule set and its probably never getting a proper update, Ive been updating it myself recently and were having alot of fun with it.

Woodelves with maxed bows, no armour + Haldir + old Legolas + old Thranduil pretty much destroyed every evil army in a 500 pts game and scaled up pretty well.

Evil is not leagues above good, its just that the good armies of men underperform. Playing Gondor is hard as is playing Arnor. Rohan takes a lot of skill and also luck, but they could be deadly in the middle range. Wizards and elves are too good for their price. The White Council is another good army, every evil army struggles against. Even the Nazgul Fellbeast only lists. Dwarfs were subpar before the release of their riders.

Also there are evil armies, that underperform. Like Easterlings and Khand. Only Mordor is OP (because you can get all the toy) and Isengard weaponary. At least in 500 pts upwards games. In smaller games the meta changes.


How do you balanced them? New units and rules or changed point values?

Edit: Ignore my post, I overlooked the WOTR at the beginning of yours. I referred the skirmish game.

Davor wrote:
Do we know if the rules will be roughly the same or will it be drastically different? I see "keywords" have been added. Is this just a small adition or will the game be different now or we don't know yet?

Roughly the same. We know only what they've hinted at, which is that the core rules will be the same. Keywords have been added, but to be fair, they kind of always existed (the army books listed models as "orc" or "man" or "elf" etc), it just helps to clarify things. This model is _definitely_ an Orc, Hero, Wizard, etc.

This Thursday is the Middle-earth Takeover, and you can bet your butts that we'll be all over the chat asking all kinds of questions. LOOK AT ALL THAT SWEET "MIDDLE-EARTH" BRANDING!

 xKillGorex wrote:
Some extra terrain kits would be nice, maybe some new ruined statues and such. Maybe bree houses too.

Having great fun coming up with terrain ideas at the moment and building all sorts but some kits that can be thrown together would come in handy.

a hobbit home kit would be great as well

terry wrote:

 xKillGorex wrote:
Some extra terrain kits would be nice, maybe some new ruined statues and such. Maybe bree houses too.

Having great fun coming up with terrain ideas at the moment and building all sorts but some kits that can be thrown together would come in handy.

a hobbit home kit would be great as well

I would not be surprise if Forge World at least did a Middle-earth Terrain series for things you wouldn't buy multiples of in plastic.

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
WOTR is seriously an amazing rule set. Unfortunately once you get into army selection there is absolutely no balance between factions. Evil is leagues more powerful than good. Since its a dead unsupported rule set and its probably never getting a proper update, Ive been updating it myself recently and were having alot of fun with it.

We had so much fun playing War of the Rings, and we painted a lot of it as well.

Going to be a hard sell to my group for anything hobbit related at this point. We were seriously pissed when they stopped production of the WoTR rule book and trays and support of an F.A.Q.

terry wrote:

 xKillGorex wrote:
Some extra terrain kits would be nice, maybe some new ruined statues and such. Maybe bree houses too.

Having great fun coming up with terrain ideas at the moment and building all sorts but some kits that can be thrown together would come in handy.

a hobbit home kit would be great as well

Or even just a sprue of the door and windows, the rest would be easy enough to knock up. It’s only half a hill with a garden I guess lol .

 Shrapnelsmile wrote:
Going to be a hard sell to my group for anything hobbit related at this point.

Good thing the Hobbit releases were four to six years ago...

Very odd, though - are they specifically against ALL of the designs from the Hobbit films? I love the look of the Kingdom of Dale, for instance, and has some of the best models for the entire SBG range.

judgedoug wrote:

Davor wrote:
Do we know if the rules will be roughly the same or will it be drastically different? I see "keywords" have been added. Is this just a small adition or will the game be different now or we don't know yet?

Roughly the same. We know only what they've hinted at, which is that the core rules will be the same. Keywords have been added, but to be fair, they kind of always existed (the army books listed models as "orc" or "man" or "elf" etc), it just helps to clarify things. This model is _definitely_ an Orc, Hero, Wizard, etc.

This Thursday is the Middle-earth Takeover, and you can bet your butts that we'll be all over the chat asking all kinds of questions. LOOK AT ALL THAT SWEET "MIDDLE-EARTH" BRANDING!

Thank you. Good to know it will stay mostly the same. My memory is fading so I don't remember the key words being there or not. That is why I asked. I am getting more excited each day for this, where I thought I wouldn't. I can't make out the times, do you know what they are?

judgedoug wrote:

 Shrapnelsmile wrote:
Going to be a hard sell to my group for anything hobbit related at this point.

Good thing the Hobbit releases were four to six years ago...

Very odd, though - are they specifically against ALL of the designs from the Hobbit films? I love the look of the Kingdom of Dale, for instance, and has some of the best models for the entire SBG range.

For me, it has nothing to do with The Hobbit films but they way GW has handled The Hobbit line from the begining. It leaves such a bad taste in my mind anything with The Hobbit name on it is an instant turn off. It was GW handling of The Hobbit that has turned me off the game I can't bare to see the name of it. I tried but the anger and turn off is so powerful with that name now. I like the movies, just hated GW handling of it.

Davor wrote:
I can't make out the times, do you know what they are?

Thursday 4pm to 5pm, Middle Earth Take Over. 5pm to 6pm, Middle Earth Tale of Four Warlords. 6:15pm til ? is Middle Earth Battle, Good vs Evil.
This is BST times so convert appropriately (so starting at 11 AM for me here on the US East Coast)

Davor wrote:
For me, it has nothing to do with The Hobbit films but they way GW has handled The Hobbit line from the begining. It leaves such a bad taste in my mind anything with The Hobbit name on it is an instant turn off. It was GW handling of The Hobbit that has turned me off the game I can't bare to see the name of it. I tried but the anger and turn off is so powerful with that name now. I like the movies, just hated GW handling of it.

Weird, I thought it was great -the fifth edition of the rules is without a doubt the best iteration, especially when it came to shooting and heroics. Minis-wise, I thought the first wave was great - awesome high quality plastic models that are loads better than the LOTR plastics. Then nothing sold, so then everything went to Finecast for the second and third films and models that were designed to be released in plastic were then released in Finecast (Lake-town guard and militia, Mirkwood infantry, Gundabad orcs), and then nothing happened for two solid dark years of 2015 and 2016.

But hey, all this is over now, and now it's Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game! Hurrah! A new dawn for the Third Age!

The boxed set is exciting.

I went rummaging around in my tub of unused minis and found 24 unpainted Rohan infantry. Judging by the state of them I assembled them before I learned to clean up plastic minis and to use less glue but they did survive being broken in the tub. I should be able to clean them up a bit better and make an attempt at painting them.

Its exciting to see long simmering interest bubbling up locally, as I mentioned. I have six or seven people asking for Middle Earth demos at one venue, while another has said they are committed to buying large amount of Middle Earth product, hoping to become a bit of a destination-store for the game, and asking me to set up some events for them.

At this point waiting is the most miserable part. :-p I put in my Forgeworld order, so between it, and the wait for August, my entire Middle Earth hobby energy right now is in playing the waiting game. :-p

I'll admit it's sparked me again to finish off my Mordor. I've finally got around to ordering the second beast of Gorgoroth I needed to round out the army.

I'm looking at my somewhat excessive LOTR collection again. I think I might drag them all out, fix up any damage and finally give them some decent basing. Good to see the LOTR game coming back again.

Pulled out an old unbuilt Isengard box and made a start last night.
So that gives me 18 warg riders and 20 Uruk hai. Only trouble is I’m missing two wargs somewhere. Argh.

Seeing this new information about LotR is making me glad I haven't sold my LotR collection yet. I'm sitting on quite a few unbuilt boxes, and some partially built and painted ones (was working on a Dwarf army when I lost interest due to lack of opponents in the area). I've always loved The Lord of the Rings stories ever since I was a kid, and once the movies came out my excitement about it only grew. Perhaps foolishly I bought into several factions before realizing that locally the game was as dead as the Men of Dunharrow (get it? ), but maybe with a new release some people might get into it.

Oh god this news has me digging through 10 year old boxes of super gak painted models looking at what OOP characters I have an how many of them have snapped staffs/swords.

More than I like are broken, but less than I expected.

See what you have, as some of the old metals are worth quite a bit. If you have Eomer-Marshall of the Riddermark, Faramir-Captain of Ithilien or Gildor Inglorion, you've got cash. If you have Halbarad with banner and horn, you've struck gold. He quite often reaches three figures.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
See what you have, as some of the old metals are worth quite a bit. If you have Eomer-Marshall of the Riddermark, Faramir-Captain of Ithilien or Gildor Inglorion, you've got cash. If you have Halbarad with banner and horn, you've struck gold. He quite often reaches three figures.

To be fair, those are not that old. Those are the most recent sculpts of those characters, long after the films were done and LOTR went from making so much money for GW that they didn't know what to do with it, to them having to reinvigorate the other product lines to actually sell in order to turn a profit. Translation: only the hardcore SBG players bought unhelmeted Eomer.

A new Eomer would be very nice, the one that sits on a plastic horse isn't all that great for such a mighty hero

 Slinky wrote:
A new Eomer would be very nice, the one that sits on a plastic horse isn't all that great for such a mighty hero

There's a thread on GBHL about people's wishlist for new plastic heroes and Adam Troke not only posted "following" has "love"d merely one suggestion, leading to the rampant speculation that the next kit is Aragorn at Pelennor wielding Anduril. Which would be HELLA cool as we don't have a model for that Aragorn (just the one in the Death of Gothmog diorama)

They sure will release Command Sets for all Factions in Platic.

What is GBHL?

RazorEdge wrote:
They sure will release Command Sets for all Factions in Platic.

What is GBHL?

http://www.one-ring.co.uk/viewforum.php?f=101

 Ghaz wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
They sure will release Command Sets for all Factions in Platic.

What is GBHL?

http://www.one-ring.co.uk/viewforum.php?f=101

More accurately, https://www.facebook.com/groups/472128942815892/?ref=br_rs
which is where GW staff actively participate.

 judgedoug wrote:

 Slinky wrote:
A new Eomer would be very nice, the one that sits on a plastic horse isn't all that great for such a mighty hero

There's a thread on GBHL about people's wishlist for new plastic heroes and Adam Troke not only posted "following" has "love"d merely one suggestion, leading to the rampant speculation that the next kit is Aragorn at Pelennor wielding Anduril. Which would be HELLA cool as we don't have a model for that Aragorn (just the one in the Death of Gothmog diorama)

Oh neat. Aragorn is one of those that I think really had a small pool of good looking models for all the sculpts he got. Only really his Helms Deep and Weathertop sculpts ever really appealed too me. Foot version that is.

Edit* I forgot about Hero's of the West version. That one is awesome too.

Confirmed on Warhammer TV just now that Pelennor Fields starter box is Citadel/GW and will be available from all Warhammer stores and any game stores with GW trade/retail accounts.


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Releases planned through the end of 2020 with monthly releases planned.

Theoden is the first of a range of new plastics (characters).


Automatically Appended Next Post:
OOP models related to Pelennor Fields in the first 2-3 months of release will be coming BACK IN PRODUCTION: Models will cycle into production for a "while" and then back out, then cycle other models back into production, repeat.

 judgedoug wrote:
Confirmed on Warhammer TV just now that Pelennor Fields starter box is Citadel/GW and will be available from all Warhammer stores and any game stores with GW trade/retail accounts.

Great, good to know. Thanks for posting that.