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Cool. Never heard of the author though. Hope he's good.

They touched on that battle in a couple of the Ragnar novels, didn't they?

I have high hopes for the Fang, seeing as the author has done some very entertaining Fantasy novels so far, including the Sword of Justice / Vengeance series.

I think it will be very good, the actual author posted in this thread a "few" pages back, prior to GD UK. I'm looking forward to some more details about The Fang especially.

Meanwhile... Trollslayer download.

reds8n wrote: I think it will be very good, the actual author posted in this thread a "few" pages back, prior to GD UK. I'm looking forward to some more details about The Fang especially.

Meanwhile... Trollslayer download.

Reds8n. Where on earth do you work? BL marketing? I don't mind, I love the up to date info all in one place. But damn... you have the goods early. And are consistent, unlike a lot of posters who occasionally come up with some new news- always in early, with the correct info as far as news and rumors go.

..Mr. legoburner beats me with wet towels whilst I kneel on broomsticks if I don't.

Whilst all the other MODs parade around in a circle, masked, chanting.

But then we all go for Tacos and margaritas afterwards so, there's an upside too.

You're welcome !

1: They are all super human & as for compairing the NL attack on an imperial ship with the BA attack on the NL you are clearly clutching at straws to justify a tenuous point of view.

2: The NL walked through the Imperial ship because it was full of average joe humans.

3: The BA squad was caught by supprise by a force in their own backyard & were only just beaten back.

4: The NL were hammered & had their dread not turned up they would've snuffed it.

5: You also dont get to hear what happens on the rest of the ship. Honestly its sound like chaos crew butchered left right & centre (just as in the NL attack on the imperial ship)

Lets answer this simple quote here that in a very good way sums up everything that is being thrown at me.
I dont need to answer ADBs lies since he cant take to criticism. This is not about petty points nor is my example wrong. This is about pointing out a mayor level of suspense missing and how a novel can become better.

My point is about what makes for better suspense in a novel.
A lot of things do but one of the best (Donaldson tought me that) is the suspense of never knowing if the main and side characters will live or not.

Let us take the first example in the soul hunter novel, the one where I am so wrong, lie etc etc and the one everyone has ganged up on me about.

8 pods of BAs are launched at the poorly defended NL ship.
2 are killed while inbound, that is 10-20 dead BAs right there.
Let me assume they are holding 10 marines each as per GWs oficcial drop pod rules, that is a logical assumption.

The first engagement is made to "sound" oh so even by ADB but is in fact a glorious showcase of how invincible soul hunter and his squad is. All 5 BAs die slaughtered like pigs for no hurt in return.
Talos is SO tough he only needs to headbutt 150 old BA veteran seargents to death. Sound like one of Reynolds main characters now and then.

The second engagement sees a BA squad and a BA dread face of with a NL squad.
All BAs are killed for one night lord in return. There are by now also under 30 BAs left alive.
Nowhere and I repeat, nowhere are there any night lords crippled, only three are wounded.
The so called crippled (heavily wounded) are later on running around killing genesteelers like nothing.
And yet I am the one lying and not understanding, lol

Later on we also get to know another blood angel dies killing the astropath.

Thus what IS written black on white, contrary to ADBs desperate attempts to excuse away by calling me wrong and a liar, is that 10-20 BAs die in the initial engagement for no gain at all and later on 10-15 BAs die for only ONE night lord in return while 3 are wounded to some extent.
Here you have it, hands down, black on white and still I am wrong and am assumed not to even answer back a tide of insults. Am I the one flaming?

By now I got fed up with the Talos-invincible attitude and thus posted a complaint letting know how other authors add more suspense in their novels, simply by not making the main and side characters near unkillable but allowing for a suspense that is based on never knowing what will happen to them.
This is what is sorely lacking in ADBs soul hunter novel and this is what makes Helsreach, so much better suspense wise.
Yes if you are a die hard NL or chaos fan that only want to read about easy slaughter of loyalist then the novel is for you.

I am further on pissed that the author (and I dont belive for a second that this is him behind that username) calls me a liar when I point out the very things he wrote black on white and is excusing it away by forcing me to assume there are aother things going on in the backgund.
This is not only childlish and pathetic but does not belong to a grown up man, an author at that. Not being a mind reader is not an excuse ADB.
You write something and I take my feel of the novel based on that, not on wild guesses of that you might be thinking about "A" while writing "B"!

So to answer your points:
1: Pirates, according to ADB, the NL are pirate themed, do not assault military ships of the line but ok, I grant you there should be enough levvy for odd things in a novel.
2: Point taken.
3: Just beaten back is a blatant lie. Reread that part again. Slaughtered like babies is a better description.
4: Hammered? They lost one guy with 3 wounded vs a full squad of dead BAs and a dead BA dread is not what I call hammered. Gheesh, get real.
5: No I dont get that, I only get the insane favoritism part written black on white. I am not bothered to alter the entire stories/encounters feeling by attempting to mind read the author. The author is the one with the duty to show what he wants and needs to convey HIS points to the reader.

-@Pyriel. So much writing so little sense and so much of it just plain wrong.

Read above, what is wrong?
The author writes with heavy favoritism and is ditching a big part of suspense and I call him on this. Simple as that.

Modquisiiton on. This htread has been reported and is getting flamy. Lets cease and desist lest this thread get closed and persons disciplined as warranted.

Interesting, I should be the one reporting it for all the words I have been called.
Cease and desist with what, do we stop writing about this subject completely or simply stop with the insults, I´m not the one insulting other people here.

I´ll ask the author this in aPM instead if you feel like the thread is being clogged down. Up to him to reply with all the insults he wishes IN THERE!!!!

Pyriel-...

I think it might be time to let it go now...

Pyriel- wrote:

Read above, what is wrong?
The author writes with heavy favoritism and is ditching a big part of suspense and I call him on this. Simple as that.

What is wrong is people disagree with you, even those of us who aren't the greatest of fans of his work. You subsequent justifications are wrong, made up and look like your reading comprehension is poor.

Interesting, I should be the one reporting it for all the words I have been called.
Cease and desist with what, do we stop writing about this subject completely or simply stop with the insults, I´m not the one insulting other people here.

I´ll ask the author this in aPM instead if you feel like the thread is being clogged down. Up to him to reply with all the insults he wishes IN THERE!!!!

As per usual here, MODing here is wrong. If you reported it you should have been told to make your posts better. Telling someone they are lying, making stuff up or talking bollocks isn't a flame bait or an insult if, as in the case here, it is true and when told politely the lies and stretching of logic get worse.

Look, if you want your money back because that book is an affront to you, I'll pay you for it and top it off with something extra to wash it all away, just please shut the feth up already.

Anyone else emailed BL to see if they are going to sort out the US pricing for eBooks? Unlike FW, there is another easily substitutable product - i.e paperback, so to use the FW pricing model makes no sense.

I emailed them and got some real crap answer out of them.

could you post the answer? They didn't respond to my email.

Mine either.

Hulksmash wrote:could you post the answer? They didn't respond to my email.

Hi, We are concentrating on getting our digital service up and running atpresent as it is quite a complex system. Once that is completed andrunning we will look at multiple currencies as a future project, keepyour eye on our website for more information as it becomes available. Sincerely Ragnar KarlssonDirect Sales ManagerBlack Librarywww.blacklibrary.com

I think what he is saying doesn't make sense. One, I think maybe they have tried to reinvent the wheel to keep money themselves instead of going through US book sellers as this is not new technology - ebooks have been around for eons and selling downloads isn't exactly new. Also, I think they have tried to pull off the same pricing model as FW where they charge in GBP on the website so that for the US sales they make an additional 17.5% by being able to hold onto the VAT for US sales. Like I say, there is an easily substitutable product for an eBook and it is cheaper so that idea would be just dumb.

I just think they have buggered their pricing model up. It is easy to have a multi-price structure. Downloads for the US would be done through a US BL website and would only accept a US credit card - it is really easy to restrict sales to a particular market. If they have an analyst either they didn't listen or he should be fired.

Pricing of eBooks above US paperback books seems like such a basic mistake. Why would you do it and say we were just trying to get the method right first? I am sure the US market is big enough where you want to get it right first time and not annoy your customer base before you even start selling.

Ah, yeah that's pretty bad.....

Basic math says it's going to cost closer to $10+ for a paperback which means I won't ever purchase it no matter how much I originally wanted to. Which is sad as I have stopped buying BL books in general as they are normally only good for one read and take up a ton of space. Not to mention the bookstore missing that one book or two that's in the middle of a series. If I could keep them on a hard drive or my Nook that would be totally different and would actually get me back into buying them.

Oh well, hope they figure it out in the not to near future. Them and Baen....

Hulksmash wrote:Ah, yeah that's pretty bad.....

Basic math says it's going to cost closer to $10+

current rate is 1.57, which makes it $10.20 + there will be bank fee for purchasing in GBP. If rate moves to 1.75, which many are expecting in the next yr or so then you are looking at $11.40 + bank fee. All for an $8.99 book.

Don't get it. I just don't. It seems like such an elemental mistake to make.

Also, I agree with your other point. As a Nook user from day 1 the number of paperbacks I purchase has gone down dramatically and that includes BL books. The easy of purchase, use and storage of eBooks is awesome.

skrulnik wrote:Cool. Never heard of the author though. Hope he's good.

My bad, I should've seen this, instead of focusing on me and Pyriel butting heads (which is actually becoming the best Private Message chat I've had in ages).

Chris Wraight rocks on toast. If I change my mind, I'll be sure to accuse him with infinite bile over a few beers at the next signing we do together, but I think he's a killer writer. I could smell the gunsmoke in his Empire novels. A real gritty, dirt-showering, gunpower-stinking English Civil War/Marston Moor feel to the text. Nailed the Empire perfectly for me.

I've got high hopes for Battle of the Fang.

Dead Blue Clown wrote:

skrulnik wrote:Cool. Never heard of the author though. Hope he's good.

My bad, I should've seen this, instead of focusing on me and Pyriel butting heads (which is actually becoming the best Private Message chat I've had in ages).

Chris Wraight rocks on toast. If I change my mind, I'll be sure to accuse him with infinite bile over a few beers at the next signing we do together, but I think he's a killer writer. I could smell the gunsmoke in his Empire novels. A real gritty, dirt-showering, gunpower-stinking English Civil War/Marston Moor feel to the text. Nailed the Empire perfectly for me.

I've got high hopes for Battle of the Fang.

Hey, how long in advance do you guys either put forward or get given your pitches? And how long do you have to complete them? Because some authors seem to have a novel out every 4-8 months etc. Do you have to be thinking about 3 or 4 novels at a run?

Jesus Pyriel you don't need to admit you are wrong just shut the feth up I am sure the author of the book has a better grasp on what happens in his novel than you. Get over it, if you don't like it read something else.

This thread is no longer the place for in-depth discussion of the merits and/or faults of any Black Library release.

As this is the News & Rumors Sub-Forum, please focus on discussing the Black Library release schedule. In-depth reviews of those releases or discussion regarding critiques, &etc, belong in other threads.

Specifically, the 40k Background Sub-Fourm is a good place for this.

Furthermore, please review the DakkaDakka rules via the link in my signature and pay special attention to Rule Number One. Calling people liars or telling them to "shut the feth up" is unaccpetably rude.

Thanks.

Ed_Bodger wrote:Jesus Pyriel...

It's all good, dude. We're talking it over in PMs with waaaaaay less hostility. The fires of war have settled, etc.

EDIT: I totally missed the red text above. I am a truly observant creature.

lords2001 wrote:

Hey, how long in advance do you guys either put forward or get given your pitches? And how long do you have to complete them? Because some authors seem to have a novel out every 4-8 months etc. Do you have to be thinking about 3 or 4 novels at a run?

I think deadlines vary for every author, but the common average is about 4 months to write a novel. Me, I take about 7-8 months. As for pitches, they always depend on what the schedule needs. They're usually contracted soon after submission, though.

@Dead Blue Clown: I'm really enjoying The First Heretic, especially your protrayal of the primarchs. Do you have any plans for another contribution to the HH series? how would you feel about writing Ultramarines? Or is that territory staked out?

Manchu wrote:@Dead Blue Clown: I'm really enjoying The First Heretic, especially your protrayal of the primarchs. Do you have any plans for another contribution to the HH series? how would you feel about writing Ultramarines? Or is that territory staked out?

Thanks, dude, Muchos gracias.

I'd sell my left arm to get a crack at one of the really major Legions, but they're reserved by the guys that got there first. The Dark Angels are done and their tale is pretty set in stone in their last 2 books; Jim will almost certainly be doing the Blood Angels; Dan's got the Space Wolves covered; and if Graham doesn't end up doing the Ultramarines, I'll eat my shoes.

And really, it's hard to complain - there's still plenty of great stuff left. My next HH novel (and unless I explode, there'll almost definitely be one, as I'm the permanent 4th guy on the team now, I reckon) will most likely be about one of the less popular Legions that need some airtime (like the Word Bearers in TFH).

.. Could you not justify a Night Lords one at all ? I'm sure we'd all write in and demand it, if that'd help. Your "Age of Darkness" short is about them and the DA right ?

I believe Mr. Thorpe is pegged to do some more Raven Guard stuff.. possibly in audio book form perhaps.. ?

I'd be more than happy to see you have a crack at the Iron Warriors too.

Iron Warriors are boring

Now, what I want to know is when we'll see Cadian Blood Part II: Cadia With A Vengeance.

C'mon ADB. You know you want more zombie action!

Dead Blue Clown wrote: My next HH novel (and unless I explode, there'll almost definitely be one, as I'm the permanent 4th guy on the team now, I reckon) will most likely be about one of the less popular Legions that need some airtime (like the Word Bearers in TFH).

If Soul Hunter is any indication, this means one of the less popular legions might become one of the more popular ones . . .

After seeing your portrayal of Guilliman (too short!), I'd love to see your take on Pertarabo. I know the HH series isn't strictly chronological so is it possible that we could see more of Ferrus Manus?

Dead Blue Clown wrote:

Manchu wrote:@Dead Blue Clown: I'm really enjoying The First Heretic, especially your protrayal of the primarchs. Do you have any plans for another contribution to the HH series? how would you feel about writing Ultramarines? Or is that territory staked out?

Thanks, dude, Muchos gracias.

I'd sell my left arm to get a crack at one of the really major Legions, but they're reserved by the guys that got there first. The Dark Angels are done and their tale is pretty set in stone in their last 2 books; Jim will almost certainly be doing the Blood Angels; Dan's got the Space Wolves covered; and if Graham doesn't end up doing the Ultramarines, I'll eat my shoes.

And really, it's hard to complain - there's still plenty of great stuff left. My next HH novel (and unless I explode, there'll almost definitely be one, as I'm the permanent 4th guy on the team now, I reckon) will most likely be about one of the less popular Legions that need some airtime (like the Word Bearers in TFH).

I am awaiting Xmas for my copy of the First Heretic and Soul Hunter so cannot comment yet ADB, (and having a Word Bearer army I can't wait...)

For one of the main Chapters what about Black Templars? So much scope from crusading Space Knights, with making do with what heavy support they have and making ends meet with innovative solutions to mobility and firepower issues, and probably mustering PDF's (and the odd fanatical unit) against the curse of Chaos and the alien....? (that is how I am building my BT army.... some on horseback, some on bikes, others on foot with local PDF in support...)

I would welcome more stories on the Word Bearers as they are the first to rebel. They are also one of the best to go wild with the story line, as they pray to all Chaos Gods not just a single diety.

reds8n wrote:.. Could you not justify a Night Lords one at all ? I'm sure we'd all write in and demand it, if that'd help. Your "Age of Darkness" short is about them and the DA right ?

I believe Mr. Thorpe is pegged to do some more Raven Guard stuff.. possibly in audio book form perhaps.. ?

I'd be more than happy to see you have a crack at the Iron Warriors too.

Actually, Graham said at GD Germany that hes hoping to write a pre heresy IW book. He said that theyre a Legion that knowingly fell and submitted to the horrors of Chaos, making them vastly different from the Legions shown so far.

Dead Blue Clown wrote:

Ed_Bodger wrote:Jesus Pyriel...

It's all good, dude. We're talking it over in PMs with waaaaaay less hostility. The fires of war have settled, etc.

Good. Even though I thought it was interesting to see the differenft interpretations.

@ptolemaic : BT are a second founding Chapter so we won't see them in the HH series (or at least not until the very end, depending on the extent of the series). Lucky for you, A D-B has already published a BT novel called Helsreach.


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@Flachzange: Lol, I totally forgot about Storm of Iron. Honsou disapproves!

Manchu wrote:
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@Flachzange: Lol, I totally forgot about Storm of Iron. Honsou disapproves!

How dare you forget?! Its one of the best BL books!
I actually asked him about more IW love, be that pre heresy or current fluff. Graham seems to enjoy the Legion quite a bit and he said that hed like to write more IW stuff in general. But his plate seems to be quite full atm.

Oh, and Helsreach was a worthy read as well.

I see three upcoming books from McNeill on BL's site alone (and I guess he's writing for FFG now, too, inter alia).

I am most excited about a SoB book on the horizon. I didn't think Faith and Fire was the best so I'm a bit wary about James Swallow returning (although I loved Flight of the Eisenstein). But it will be a grudge match, so maybe that will help.