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Interesting it says any windrider can replace its shuriken catapult with cannon or scatter laser... so since it is a windrider warlock then the warlock could replace its weapon too so you could have an 11 man squad with big weapons... though for 50 extra points is it worth it when it does not help with LD... though if it gets shrouded that would help keep them alive...

 adamsouza wrote:
Color me amused.

Bitching about best thing in a codex and that the codex needs a rewrite, instantly replaced with bitching about the perceived new best thing in a codex and that the codex got a rewrite, BEFORE the codex even hits the shelves.

To be honest, with all the Haywire, and other special snowflake rules Skitarii have access, I'm amazed they didn't generate as much heat.

Dude Skitarii actually do crumple pretty easily, FNP or 2W on a T3 model isn't scary. The best thing they got going for them is as allies in transports w/ Arc rifles or Plasma.

A windrider warlock is not a windrider, just like a space marine sergeant is not a space marine.

lets see how fast Skitarii die to eldar.

a unit of 5 scatbikes gets 20 shots, 17 hits about 14 wounds, 7 failed, 1 FNP pass for a total of 6 dead. Works the same if they are in cover.

W2 rust stalkers? Instant death.

Armour 11 chicken walkers? Hurr hurr yeah have fun with that.

810pts cripples Skitarii in its opening turn with its 48" threat range from the scatter lasers.

 BlackArmour wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I'll wait to see the book, but this might be the most extreme balance issue I've seen.

One has to wonder, taking it at face value, whether utter incompetence or deliberate action are most likely.

Nobody with even a fundamental grasp of the game can possibly think this is ok, surely?

There's no need to wonder that after necrons and the T5 3++ 4+++ shenanigans, its action and it looks like certain writers are just going bananas on their fav. books. and hiding behind the fact that their names no longer get stamped on the book.

Because I said "Nobody with even a fundamental grasp of the game can possibly think this is ok, surely?" this exact same thing when Necrons hit.

Yeah

I'm not one to complains about rules, since I'm an extremely uncompetitive player, but with the way the things are going, I'm wondering if I just won,'t put my 40k on the shelves and invest into another game while they sort it out.

As you said, the necron T5 3++ 4+++ and this new sl spam are so insanely absurd, that I wonder if the writers even have some basic notions of statistic.

Very very disapointing

Worst April fools ever.


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I'm still going to wait for the book, but if this is all correct...

 pretre wrote:
Worst April fools ever.


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I'm still going to wait for the book, but if this is all correct...

The crazy thing is, we haven't even seen most of the codex. I'm *really* curious about what they did with waveserpents, and I have a sneaking suspicion that shining spears are going to be some level of insane as well.

Why is everyone talking about Scatterlasers when for the same points Shuriken Cannons are better?

For 1080 points, I'd rather have 120 S6 shots that have AP2 on 6s to wound than 160 shots that dont.

Probably because everyone is assuming the bikes will have a farseer or warlock attached to them and be rolling for misfortune and therefore already have rending.

If these Jetbikes are true, I'm just going to refuse to play against Eldar. They make a joke of every other troop unit in the game, every other bike unit in the game. Even if the Serpent Shield was completely removed, the jetbikes and WK changes (unless they are priced to 400-450 points now) make the Eldar Codex even more of a meta destroyer. Comparing it to Dark Eldar or Ork codices is a joke. The latter 2 saw a lot of nerfs and removed options, while Eldar are getting even better?

Just after a great Skitarii release, with rather balanced looking rules and great models and prices.

one thing that hasn't been mentioned is the suncannon. My only WK has suncannon/scattershield/scatter laser. I assume I'll remove the SL now and add 2 other weapons (no idea what gargantuan is, never read that part of the book), but I'd like to know what the suncannon now does.
Secondly, is a scattershield even worth it on a GC? Again, never read their rules.

I'm laughing so hard now....

I feared something like this when I started reading this thread. "Let's see... new codex so WS will get hit and something else buffed. And people will start bitching about the next unbalanced combo again." I thought so I didn't want a new codex to "redress" that the serpent shield was too strong knowing how badly things were going to end.

But hey people were moaning and bitching that WS were the worst thing ever and GW delivered. Congrats people, your worst fears were too small by half. Enjoy the new jet bikes, I'm going online to buy the first unit of bikes for my army.

M.

Edit: On the bright side this is an oportunity for all other players to start an Eldar allied CAD. Much like before the last dex were runes farseers were popping like mushrooms all around now everybody can have shurican jet bikes galore! Forge the Narrative (TM) guys!

 Sir Arun wrote:
Why is everyone talking about Scatterlasers when for the same points Shuriken Cannons are better?

For 270 points, I'd rather have 120 S6 shots that have AP2 on 6s to wound than 160 shots that dont.

A 36" threat is low enough that you can kite it for a turn and possibly get the jump on them (its useful even with assault troops, because you can rush past the further engagement point and get some board position). 48" is pretty much impossible to kite.

 Sir Arun wrote:
Why is everyone talking about Scatterlasers when for the same points Shuriken Cannons are better?

For 270 points, I'd rather have 120 S6 shots that have AP2 on 6s to wound than 160 shots that dont.

I thought about this with the scatter laser too as I loved it to make my suncannon twin linked so we will see.

I think we need to see what the codex has. I do not think it is worth freaking out about it yet

The ghostglaive is for sure a destroyer weapon as the White dwarf specifically says that it is along with the to D cannons it comes with.

As for the shuricannon vs scatter laser - I think they have 2 uses - sl for range light vehicle or walker killing, shuricannon infantry killing with bladestorm... but both are good. IMO

 Eiluj The Farseer wrote:

I did look back through the WD and it looks like the Close combat Ghostglaive goes at Initiative for the wraithknight as it recaps a battle with two blood thirsters - 1 with d CC and one with axe of Khorne. But it does specifically say it is a Destroyer weapon now

Damn, you said it first! However, to clarify, it does say:

White Dwarf wrote:First Challenger: Wrath of Khorne Bloodthirster

"the Bloodthirster ... half killing the construct with its first blow ... Wraithknight struck back"
"we set a Bloodthirster of Insensate Rage against the Wraithknight instead. Surviving the ghost warrior's attacks, the Daemon's Great Axe of Khorne almost obliterated the Wraithknight, which [too blurred to read] saved from destruction by its scattershield. A turn later the Wraithknight dispatched the sacred servant of Khorne"

The Wrath of Khorne one went before (or at the same time as; their fluff-based description isn't clear) the Wraithknight but the Insensate Rage went after. What's the Initiative on the Wrath of Khorne Bloodthirster?

I'm fine with at-Initiative D melee because it's just like the Imperial Knight. I am absolutely not okay with the ranged D, though, and that's coming from the perspective of an enormous Wraithknight lover who always thought they needed to be Gargantuans (though I'd rather a Super Heavy Walker). Hopefully the WD writer just got the abbreviation of Distort weapons ("D") mixed up with the abbreviation of Destroyer weapons (also "D").

Ooh, I got it. I'm going to use counts as for my ork biker army. They laughed at all my ork bikes... But they aren't laughing anymore... Muhahahaha

 Miguelsan wrote:
I'm laughing so hard now....

I feared something like this when I started reading this thread. "Let's see... new codex so WS will get hit and something else buffed. And people will start bitching about the next unbalanced combo again." I thought so I didn't want a new codex to "redress" that the serpent shield was too strong knowing how badly things were going to end.

But hey people were moaning and bitching that WS were the worst thing ever and GW delivered. Congrats people, your worst fears were too small by half. Enjoy the new jet bikes, I'm going online to buy the first unit of bikes for my army.

M.

Edit: On the bright side this is an oportunity for all other players to start an Eldar allied CAD. Much like before the last dex were runes farseers were popping like mushrooms all around now everybody can have shurican jet bikes galore! Forge the Narrative (TM) guys!

Actually yeah everyone could just take the windrider formation for easy troops.

I'm just happy they finally updated those ancient jetbike models. Likely I'll just use the S.Cannon option, even if the Scatter Laser is the better choice, I really dont like the way it looks.

The new Wraithknight rules does make the Glaive Knight actually worth taking. Guess I'll end up getting a third in the future to round out the three loadouts.

 Ravenous D wrote:
lets see how fast Skitarii die to eldar.

a unit of 5 scatbikes gets 20 shots, 17 hits about 14 wounds, 7 failed, 1 FNP pass for a total of 6 dead. Works the same if they are in cover.

W2 rust stalkers? Instant death.

Armour 11 chicken walkers? Hurr hurr yeah have fun with that.

810pts cripples Skitarii in its opening turn with its 48" threat range from the scatter lasers.

How do 20 shots get 17 hits? Laser lock is gone. Where's the twin-link coming from?

 Ravenous D wrote:

 Miguelsan wrote:
I'm laughing so hard now....

I feared something like this when I started reading this thread. "Let's see... new codex so WS will get hit and something else buffed. And people will start bitching about the next unbalanced combo again." I thought so I didn't want a new codex to "redress" that the serpent shield was too strong knowing how badly things were going to end.

But hey people were moaning and bitching that WS were the worst thing ever and GW delivered. Congrats people, your worst fears were too small by half. Enjoy the new jet bikes, I'm going online to buy the first unit of bikes for my army.

M.

Edit: On the bright side this is an oportunity for all other players to start an Eldar allied CAD. Much like before the last dex were runes farseers were popping like mushrooms all around now everybody can have shurican jet bikes galore! Forge the Narrative (TM) guys!

Actually yeah everyone could just take the windrider formation for easy troops.

Moustache Twirling Kirby: Just as planned. Just as planned.

M.

What is "Matchless Agility?"

"...up to you and many collectors might wish to create Unbound armies or use another Force Organisation Charts), but the results of using a Warhost on the battlefield speak for themselves - every Eldar within the Craftworld Warhost is bestowed with Matchless Agility, and they are able to move faster and more surely than ever before. When paired with the advantages of the units and formations within the parent Warhost, it makes the Craftworld Eldar very powerful indeed."

 Therion wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:
lets see how fast Skitarii die to eldar.

a unit of 5 scatbikes gets 20 shots, 17 hits about 14 wounds, 7 failed, 1 FNP pass for a total of 6 dead. Works the same if they are in cover.

W2 rust stalkers? Instant death.

Armour 11 chicken walkers? Hurr hurr yeah have fun with that.

810pts cripples Skitarii in its opening turn with its 48" threat range from the scatter lasers.

How do 20 shots get 17 hits? Laser lock is gone. Where's the twin-link coming from?

You're correct, its 14 hits, 12 wounds, 6 fails, 5 dead.

 pretre wrote:
Ooh, I got it. I'm going to use counts as for my ork biker army. They laughed at all my ork bikes... But they aren't laughing anymore... Muhahahaha

I would laugh. I'd then shake your hand, congratulate you on your win, and find my next opponent.

Deamonkin gets a Greater Deamon with D CCW at Init 1 as a counter balance.

Wraithknights gets a D CCW at Init 5...ahahahahahahahaaaaa, oh god my sides hurts...

 warboss wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Ooh, I got it. I'm going to use counts as for my ork biker army. They laughed at all my ork bikes... But they aren't laughing anymore... Muhahahaha

I would laugh. I'd then shake your hand, congratulate you on your win, and find my next opponent.

My evil plan worked!

 warboss wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Ooh, I got it. I'm going to use counts as for my ork biker army. They laughed at all my ork bikes... But they aren't laughing anymore... Muhahahaha

I would laugh. I'd then shake your hand, congratulate you on your win, and find my next opponent.

This. If an eldar player is running units of all cannon bikers, I'd let them deploy them all out, then shake their hand and concede. I don't plan to play against a unit that broken.

I'm gonna wait to see before I declare anything that hardcore.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Ooh, I got it. I'm going to use counts as for my ork biker army. They laughed at all my ork bikes... But they aren't laughing anymore... Muhahahaha

I would laugh. I'd then shake your hand, congratulate you on your win, and find my next opponent.

This. If an eldar player is running units of all cannon bikers, I'd let them deploy them all out, then shake their hand and concede. I don't plan to play against a unit that broken.

Don't we have this with every Codex release?
I surely remember similar feelings with Grey Knights and Demons.

M.

While we do, this is orders of magnitude worse... If everything is as advertised.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48H34ukFe8g

ELDAR VICTORY