Lukus83 wrote:Schepp himself if you are out there and listening what I would really like to know are the stats for the most common guns...deathspitters and devourers actually, since that's what my warriors are mostly armed with and I need to decide whether or not to remove them.

If the translations aren't up to scratch don't worry about it...just trying to stay ahead of the rest is all.

Cheers for all the info you have brought us so far...very much appreciated.

Schepp himself wrote:Tomorrow maybe. What were the most important questions, though?

Omega_Warlord wrote:Here's what I MIGHT do if I where Schep...

I MIGHT take pics with a camera phone in focus of all relevant necessary pages...

I MIGHT put all those pics in a pdf file...

I MIGHT upload that pdf file onto the interwebz

and I MIGHT provide a hidden link for all my dakka friends on my genestealer icon to that pdf file for download...

Please note, I am NOT telling anyone to do this, I'm just saying that I MIGHT do this if I was in a position to relay information....

I might... that's all....

just....


maybe



(P.S. I haven't done this, clicking my nid icon is futile)

CaptKaruthors wrote:Is the zoey Lance AP1 or AP2? People are confirming both on different forums. One says AP1 the other says AP2. Not that it matters much, because I think zoeys are still average. The Warp Lightning looks to be a better power IMHO.

ok guys, I had a read trough the "rules excerpt" of my local GW.

I'm not typing down all the stuff but some things that appear important to me. if you want specifics... ask but dont ask for profies AND point costs.


so lets start with the good ones:

zoantrope is cheaper than current one with synapse and warpblast. warpfield now is a 3+ invul and can only be taken by the zoantrope (both hierophants and malantropes now laugh their ass off because they have it in their stats ).
warp blast is like the old one but needs a psychic test (whose idea was that? s5 ap3 small blast THAT powerfull? whatever...)
the focused one is s10 ap1 lance
trope has bs4!

allmost all tyranids which do not deepstrike by themselfes can be given biological droppods which work exactly like SM ones (but dont have half of them come in turn 1) for only a bit more than SM ones cost.

dakka is not gone. devourer is a s4 assoult 3 gun on small bugs but s6 assoult 6 on tyrants and carnifex (by an ammonition upgrade which comes automatically on big bugs). you can take two sets. both dakktyrant and dakkafex will end at about 200 points per!

sniper is gone because you can only take one set of 'heavy' weapon per big bug.

boneswords are power weapons and can be taken on all warrior-strain creatures (warrior, winged warrior, tyrant guard, tyrant). they can cause instant death. a pair of them costs only 10points on warriors.

for each tyrant you can buy a unit of 1-3 guards as a free-hq (60pts each). tyrants can join tyrant guard as if they were IC.

tyrants start at 170 points with either twin scytings or scytings and bonesword/lashwhip. they have 2 out of 4 pwoers for free (each of them would be easily worth the 2*25=50 points he costs more now if you could choose if you want them. as a forced buy they make the tyrant somewhat expensive).

powers are as mentioned above. the 4th power is automatically one unit in 18" sets bs&ws to 1 until the start of the next tyranid player's turn.

tyrants can buy as many as they choose of the following abilities:
+1 to reserve as long as the tyrant is alive
prefered enemy to every brood with models witihn 6"
didnt remember thirt

you can byu either wings, 2+ save or a potent shooting weapon as a carapax biomorph.


mixed stuff:
toxotroph is t4 w2 5+ armor, comes in broods of 1-3.
his cloud gives every unit with models within 6" 5+ cover (inculding himself), defensive grenades and everyone assoulting them has to test for DANGEROUS terrain.
would have been a blessing for old nidzilla sniper fexes but now is quite useless.

bad stuff:
pyrovore is useless. t4 2w 4+ armor, a heavy flamer with no hellhound range. possibly of use as a brood of 3 in a droppod but frail (I'd rather have 4 bonesword warriors than 3 heavy flamers...).

hiveguard has a 4+ save. he looks like a hiveguard but apprently the heavy chitin armor is only decoy

synapse doesnt help against instant death.

there is a bug in fast assoult. mosntrous creature 160points 4w t5 4+ armor which can fly (big gargoyle)... lets chorus: "catch the heavy bolter shell!"

they come basic with a pair of talons and a devourer (and bs3 for the matter. alpha warrior convers his WS6 and BS4 to a unit he joins as an IC) but can freely change the devourer for rending claws or a 2nd set of talons.

so for 30 points you are getting a complete warrior, ready to go. the only downside of warriors is that they can be instakilled now but once you have absorbed it the 3rd wound compensates for that to some degree. also deathspitters are really hosed now cause they are only 18" s5 ap5 assoult 3 and cost 5 points premium.

Hi, thanks for all that info tgaunt! May i ask some bits?

Can warriors have poison? More expensive than an gaunt?
every unit you want in cc can ahve the poison. more expensive yes but tbh both poison and furious cahrge are costed fair.

Can genestealers (normal) have poison? More expensive than an gaunt? dont remember, but I think yes. afaik all but tropes and artillery bugs can buy it.


What can you tell us about broodlords? Power weapon? Attacks? Wounds? IC? Granades?
in short: he is now more a magus than a broodlord. no power weapon, profile like now but without upgrades. he is a searge-like modell and doesnt have grenades. he does however can buy 2 psychic pwoers: a) old psychic scream with a psytest toa ctivate and 12" range. b) roll of lds+1d6 against one enemy modell. if the lord at least draws the modell cannot make any attacks (very nice!)

Can raveners have frag grenades? And genestealers? and warriors? xD
no. frags are extremely rare (a monstrous siced carapax upgrade afaik). I could have overread some hidden way (like the ravener haveing acess to that carapax weapon) though.

Do the ripper swarm score?
they have no rule to negate their "swarm" basic rule

Do the poison applies also to the ranged weapons?
no

fleshborer are 12" range or 18", and S3 or S4?
they are exactly like today on a termagaunt without upgrades but living ammo is gone.

I dont think dakka now is twin linked anymore... xD
that is bull, or wishlisting depending on what exactly you mean...

no its 2 twin linked devs @ 6 shots each for the mosnters


and yes, warriors can either buy bonesword pairs (easier to instakill) or one bonesword and a lashwhip (more expensive but enemies have I1).

so if you are just worried for the casualties you mgiht take, bonsword & lashwhip are to use (either all or non in brood. actually the venomcanon/barbed is the only thing you can/may only equip one).


I personally would not worry for striking last. most of our things are even in the cheapest form so brutal in melee that you will rip trough allmost anything even if you loos ~3 gaunts or a warrior before striking. and stuff like berserkers can be shot up beforehand

Schepp himself wrote:

CaptKaruthors wrote:Is the zoey Lance AP1 or AP2? People are confirming both on different forums. One says AP1 the other says AP2. Not that it matters much, because I think zoeys are still average. The Warp Lightning looks to be a better power IMHO.

I'm 99% sure that it was Ap1. I frequently use Zoanthropes and looked at their stats rather closely. It's 18" S10 AP1 Assault 1, lance.

Greets
Schepp himself