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 Sigvatr wrote:
The "problem" with cavalry is that they require work to play. Any blind monkey can play a typical Skaven or Goblin army, but a cavalry-army requires careful pre-planning and tactical skill instead of just spamming big hordes and rare choices.

As a consequence, a lot of players fall flat on their faces when playing cavalry and then blame the units whereas in fact, it's a lack of experience.

I've been playing for 12 years, but because I suck I don't need anymore handicaps lol

 docdoom77 wrote:


Those days of "by gamers, for gamers" design are long gone.

Maybe for GW but Wyrd (Makers of Malifaux) still do an open beta toward the end. One should be starting soon actually.

 Shas'O Dorian wrote:

 docdoom77 wrote:


Those days of "by gamers, for gamers" design are long gone.

Maybe for GW but Wyrd (Makers of Malifaux) still do an open beta toward the end. One should be starting soon actually.

Yeah, that's what I meant. Most other companies are good about keeping communication open. Mantic is great at it.

 docdoom77 wrote:

 Shas'O Dorian wrote:

 docdoom77 wrote:


Those days of "by gamers, for gamers" design are long gone.

Maybe for GW but Wyrd (Makers of Malifaux) still do an open beta toward the end. One should be starting soon actually.

Yeah, that's what I meant. Most other companies are good about keeping communication open. Mantic is great at it.

A company that leans on crowdfunding to promote every single thing they produce had better be good, if not great, at communication.

 malfred wrote:

 docdoom77 wrote:

 Shas'O Dorian wrote:

 docdoom77 wrote:


Those days of "by gamers, for gamers" design are long gone.

Maybe for GW but Wyrd (Makers of Malifaux) still do an open beta toward the end. One should be starting soon actually.

Yeah, that's what I meant. Most other companies are good about keeping communication open. Mantic is great at it.

A company that leans on crowdfunding to promote every single thing they produce had better be good, if not great, at communication.

I honestly dont think that mantic needs it, i think they do it because they can. Sure they give away great deals on minis during the kickstarter (its viewed as a bonus to their customers) but they also get money with little to no risk. It keeps start up costs down for the company which looks better to owners/shareholders(should they be public IDK)

Mantic i bet has the capital to start new projects, they just see the value in kick starters. It is good PR giving out deals and less money out of their pockets to start mini lines.

Before the launch of the KoWII KS Ronnie explained on the blog that they get a significant number of new customers each KS, they use KS a) because of the marketing reach and b) it allows them to bring more variety in terms of factions to the game launch (Ronnie believes you need at least 4 factions/teams to launch a game).

 Baragash wrote:
Before the launch of the KoWII KS Ronnie explained on the blog that they get a significant number of new customers each KS, they use KS a) because of the marketing reach and b) it allows them to bring more variety in terms of factions to the game launch (Ronnie believes you need at least 4 factions/teams to launch a game).

Not to mention that Kickstarter acts as both advertising and as a way to fund the game - from Mantic's point of view it is a win/win. (Heck, the first KoW Kickstarter is still one of my two favorite Kickstarters - in part because they weren't expecting to hit their first stretch goal. Kickstarter has been very good for Mantic.)

The Auld Grump


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 docdoom77 wrote:

 Shas'O Dorian wrote:

 docdoom77 wrote:


Those days of "by gamers, for gamers" design are long gone.

Maybe for GW but Wyrd (Makers of Malifaux) still do an open beta toward the end. One should be starting soon actually.

Yeah, that's what I meant. Most other companies are good about keeping communication open. Mantic is great at it.

I think that Paizo gets big points for engaging with their audience. (I have had a rules question answered by the VP of the company....)

The Auld Grump

I keep hearing this bizarre argument

 ClockworkZion wrote:


Plus, you know, we've seen round bases in Fantasy before:
.

Really? I mean Really? Of hundreds of minis in WFB we have those and some fanatics as exceptions to the rule and you come here pointing out exactly what? round bases its a WFB thing?
Thats just silly mate.
Changing bases is a problem and enough to make many people really upset specially if they wish to follow WFB 9th ( assuming rumors are correct). Armies have hundreds of minis in square bases and most vets have multiple armies. So yeah it sucks. And before you come and say you could always ignore the 9th and continue on 8th... That is not the point!

Personally It does not affect me that much, I can change them if I feel like it but do not for a minute minimize this frustrating change and try to disguise it as something common in wfb or a non issue.

In theory changes are generally good on a system that is not preforming well... but in practical therms if the changes are handled in a autistic way they have the potential to kill that system.
GW knows about these rumors, they know about people concerned with 32mm bases in 40k... yet they seem to have taken a chill suppository and brush everything as ' non a issue'.

Guess what, its a problem its not pretty and will make many people pissed.

From now until GW decides to actually clarify their customers ( I bet never) there are several months of people not buying, waiting for conclusive news, projects on pause etc... That alone will make things harder for the new edition kick start. You know, people investing serious hobby money on a new army kind of like to know simple things like what freaking bases will I do them... or will I buy 3 boxes to make a regiment that is rendered discontinued?

THeres a big thing to be said about PR and client management and GW is failing big time there... as always. SO want to change something to gather more interest? Start there.

What I was pointing out that just because we've seen two models on round bases it doesn't mean the game is going to round bases. Boneripper was still a squarebase in that image afterall.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
What I was pointing out that just because we've seen two models on round bases it doesn't mean the game is going to round bases. Boneripper was still a squarebase in that image afterall.

Hush, you, the sky is falling!!!

Question: Does anyone remember whether Dakka freaked out when the NG Fanatics moved to round bases?

Ya know, I did wonder about that when this whole revamp rumour cropped up lol

I always thought goblin fanatics had a good reason to not be in regular square bases- they obviously can't rank up and the round bases just look more uniform, especially for a unit that ignores large sections of the rules (ie being in ranks, etc.)

The round base rumors I believe come from the solid rumormongers over on Warseer, mentioned in conjunction with everything about 9th.

It's quite a big difference between a model like the Fanatics, that can't rank up etc, and the Screaming Bell, which literally has to be in a unit to work as per the current rules, being on a round base.

I would be depressed if it goes to round bases, not gonna lie. I'll deal with it though after play testing enough of 9th and if it warrants switching to round bases. But man does it suck right now in limbo. I have said it before, but I really enjoy painting, I have been picking up a box here and there from almost each army minus TK and Brets. So ya its a little frustrating I got some really nice painted models with sticky tacked feet to bases while I wait this out. Now having to re-base my 30 block of crypt ghouls or the 50 skaven slaves, most likely not gonna happen. My OCD I dont think will let me play with a mixed batch of bases.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Question: Does anyone remember whether Dakka freaked out when the NG Fanatics moved to round bases?

No, because we have deductive reasoning. And the Fanatics weren't released under the context of great upheaval with the game itself and rumours of major changes.

Jesus Christ DD you really are the frickin' Emperor of badly thought out false equivalencies. It's like you practice it or something.

Was Dakka even around when round based Fanatics first came out? lol.

But yeah, Fanatics came out in the heyday of GW, when they were on the rise, even before LOTR came out (I don't know exactly when they first came out, but there are round based Fanatics even older than they ones you posted in my 1998 Citadel Annual). That, and they Fanatics are unique in that they are markers for destruction more than they're units, they can't do anything that would require a square base.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Was Dakka even around when round based Fanatics first came out? lol.

Probably not. NG Fanatics have been on round bases since always.

1992 catalogue.

 docdoom77 wrote:
Yeah, that's what I meant. Most other companies are good about keeping communication open. Mantic is great at it.

No, they aren't. Have you read the Mantic thread recently? People's inability to contact Mantic about Mantic's failure to provide the product they paid for is a regular feature.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 docdoom77 wrote:
Yeah, that's what I meant. Most other companies are good about keeping communication open. Mantic is great at it.

No, they aren't. Have you read the Mantic thread recently? People's inability to contact Mantic about Mantic's failure to provide the product they paid for is a regular feature.

I wasn't discussing customer service, something which GW is still not too bad at (at least online... not perfect mind you). I was talking about discussing development and future plans with customers. Mantic is good at that. GW used to be good at that, but now, everything is a big secret.

 Grimtuff wrote:
Probably not. NG Fanatics have been on round bases since always.

1992 catalogue.

So it wasn't even a false equivalency. It was just false.

Perfect.

So I guess this means I'm not getting a new Beastmen army book, then?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
Probably not. NG Fanatics have been on round bases since always.

1992 catalogue.

So it wasn't even a false equivalency. It was just false.

Perfect.

Yeah. I remember Fanatics being on round bases when I played WHFB, and that was circa 1995. So not sure what that was supposed to be other than misinformation designed to make it look like we're all just crazy whiners.

 docdoom77 wrote:
I wasn't discussing customer service, something which GW is still not too bad at (at least online... not perfect mind you). I was talking about discussing development and future plans with customers. Mantic is good at that. GW used to be good at that, but now, everything is a big secret.

Are you kidding? GW sucks at this, but at least they show you the finished miniatures at the same time they ask you to preorder them. With Mantic you might not even see the concept art for months after preorders have closed - the gargoyles from the first KoW Kickstarter, for example.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Elves are being reunited according to Rumors. Also from the End Times fluff:

Spoiler:

Dark Elves also won the civil war with the High Elves and the island has been sunk

.

Only by the most general of interpretations.

Malekith was confirmed as the one true Phoenix King, all other Phoenix Kings since he was denied the throne have been unintentional usurpers. Malekith fights against Khaine Incarnate, embodied by Tyrion who draws the widowmaker. After fighting the good fight, Malekith has his blade knocked from him by Tyrion. As Tyrion goes to strike a mortal blow, Alith Anar shoots him dead with the moonbow, hitting a spot that Imrik had hit with the Starlance, damaging the Dragon Armor of Anerion. Malekith is declared from Phoenix King to Eternity King by Alarielle, the Everqueen, who has also walked through the steps of Avatar of Isha, and into the Incarnate of Life (she's infused with the wind of Life Magic). Teclis intended to complete Malekiths transformation from sadism of the dark elves to a being of hope and light by infusing him with Aqshy, the Wind of Fire, but instead he's infused with the Wind of Shadow. Alith Anar promises that if Malekith is playing a role in being the savior of the elves, or if he ever falls back to his old ways, he'll be there, and he'll finish the job.

Ulthuan does sink, but it has nothing to do with Malekith, and everything to do with the magical vortex being shattered. Ultuan, not being a natural land mass, and losing its magical anchor, sinks.


So.... the dark elves don't "win" and the high elves didn't lose. More like, the issues that split the elves asunder finally worked themselves out, but not really how any of the three tribes of elves foresaw.


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 Shas'O Dorian wrote:

 docdoom77 wrote:


Those days of "by gamers, for gamers" design are long gone.

Maybe for GW but Wyrd (Makers of Malifaux) still do an open beta toward the end. One should be starting soon actually.

Yup, and when Warmachine / Hordes went from MK1 to MK2, they did an open beta and gave EVERY player the opportunity to submit as much feedback as they wanted.

It's been done, successfully, by other company's before.

 Haight wrote:

Malekith was confirmed as the one true Phoenix King, all other Phoenix Kings since he was denied the throne have been unintentional usurpers. Malekith fights against Khaine Incarnate, embodied by Tyrion who draws the widowmaker. After fighting the good fight, Malekith has his blade knocked from him by Tyrion. As Tyrion goes to strike a mortal blow, Alith Anar shoots him dead with the moonbow, hitting a spot that Imrik had hit with the Starlance, damaging the Dragon Armor of Anerion. Malekith is declared from Phoenix King to Eternity King by Alarielle, the Everqueen, who has also walked through the steps of Avatar of Isha, and into the Incarnate of Life (she's infused with the wind of Life Magic). Teclis intended to complete Malekiths transformation from sadism of the dark elves to a being of hope and light by infusing him with Aqshy, the Wind of Fire, but instead he's infused with the Wind of Shadow. Alith Anar promises that if Malekith is playing a role in being the savior of the elves, or if he ever falls back to his old ways, he'll be there, and he'll finish the job.

That sounds like bad fan fic. Seriously. I'd expect the next chapter of that to have Alith and Malekith confess their love for one another.

 jonolikespie wrote:

 Haight wrote:

Malekith was confirmed as the one true Phoenix King, all other Phoenix Kings since he was denied the throne have been unintentional usurpers. Malekith fights against Khaine Incarnate, embodied by Tyrion who draws the widowmaker. After fighting the good fight, Malekith has his blade knocked from him by Tyrion. As Tyrion goes to strike a mortal blow, Alith Anar shoots him dead with the moonbow, hitting a spot that Imrik had hit with the Starlance, damaging the Dragon Armor of Anerion. Malekith is declared from Phoenix King to Eternity King by Alarielle, the Everqueen, who has also walked through the steps of Avatar of Isha, and into the Incarnate of Life (she's infused with the wind of Life Magic). Teclis intended to complete Malekiths transformation from sadism of the dark elves to a being of hope and light by infusing him with Aqshy, the Wind of Fire, but instead he's infused with the Wind of Shadow. Alith Anar promises that if Malekith is playing a role in being the savior of the elves, or if he ever falls back to his old ways, he'll be there, and he'll finish the job.

That sounds like bad fan fic. Seriously. I'd expect the next chapter of that to have Alith and Malekith confess their love for one another.

I'm sure it exists somewhere. And I imagine it'd be something like this:

As Alith stared into Malekith's eyes he whispered, "be gentle sempai." And then they kissed. [AUTHOR'S NOTE SELF: ADD SEXY SEX SCENE LATER]

 Grimtuff wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Was Dakka even around when round based Fanatics first came out? lol.

Probably not. NG Fanatics have been on round bases since always.

1992 catalogue.

Shock, horror - but before those models Fanatics were on even bigger, clear round bases, about 3 inches across.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:

 Haight wrote:

Malekith was confirmed as the one true Phoenix King, all other Phoenix Kings since he was denied the throne have been unintentional usurpers. Malekith fights against Khaine Incarnate, embodied by Tyrion who draws the widowmaker. After fighting the good fight, Malekith has his blade knocked from him by Tyrion. As Tyrion goes to strike a mortal blow, Alith Anar shoots him dead with the moonbow, hitting a spot that Imrik had hit with the Starlance, damaging the Dragon Armor of Anerion. Malekith is declared from Phoenix King to Eternity King by Alarielle, the Everqueen, who has also walked through the steps of Avatar of Isha, and into the Incarnate of Life (she's infused with the wind of Life Magic). Teclis intended to complete Malekiths transformation from sadism of the dark elves to a being of hope and light by infusing him with Aqshy, the Wind of Fire, but instead he's infused with the Wind of Shadow. Alith Anar promises that if Malekith is playing a role in being the savior of the elves, or if he ever falls back to his old ways, he'll be there, and he'll finish the job.

That sounds like bad fan fic. Seriously. I'd expect the next chapter of that to have Alith and Malekith confess their love for one another.

I'm sure it exists somewhere. And I imagine it'd be something like this:

As Alith stared into Malekith's eyes he whispered, "be gentle sempai." And then they kissed. [AUTHOR'S NOTE SELF: ADD SEXY SEX SCENE LATER]

If it's not yaoi I'm not reading it lol

 AlexHolker wrote:

 docdoom77 wrote:
I wasn't discussing customer service, something which GW is still not too bad at (at least online... not perfect mind you). I was talking about discussing development and future plans with customers. Mantic is good at that. GW used to be good at that, but now, everything is a big secret.

Are you kidding? GW sucks at this, but at least they show you the finished miniatures at the same time they ask you to preorder them. With Mantic you might not even see the concept art for months after preorders have closed - the gargoyles from the first KoW Kickstarter, for example.

Ape arm basilians, pee-pee dance ogres, nuns on house cats, and unannounced material changes. Yeah, Mantic is aces in the communications department.......not.

 jonolikespie wrote:

That sounds like bad fan fic. Seriously. I'd expect the next chapter of that to have Alith and Malekith confess their love for one another.

Naturally. Matt Ward wrote it.