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I'm pumped! New codices in the new year! Huzzah!

RUNE wrote:Zoidberg meets a Tyrant? The most horrible model in the army!

Get your head on straight buddy! Zoidberg can be downright terrifying when riled up, or hungry.

FoxPhoenix135 wrote:it is rumored that you will be able to field more carnifexes than ever before?

Does that simply mean their cost is dropping, or possibly something along the lines of other codexes where taking a special character gives you the option to convert them to other force organization types?

I would suspect the latter, tied to something of a cost increase of any shooty options, and a considerable cost increase for Sv2+.

The maximum to date is 6 (3 Elite & 3 Heavy).

Adding Old One Eye back in as a SC would make a grand total of 7 (1 HQ + the 6 currently available).

Technically, that would be "more carnifexes than ever before",

Plus, GW can then limit the basic list 3 (Elites, similar to Dreads), so taking the SC as HQ to add 3 Heavy works just like a SM MotF, and that isn't broken.

I take it the carnifex kits are going to cost just as much as before though, right? I expect I am going to have to break the bank to get more 'fexes (which I absolutely love, due to the imagery of a giant critter smashing aside space marines like ragdolls ).

I also heard something along the lines of genestealers going to elite choices unless you take a broodlord. I don't see that as a problem, but I hope the remove the mandatory retinue on the broodlord. I would rather be able to take 2 maxed out stealer broods than 2 weak ones and a retinue for the broodlord.

As much as before, if not more. GW prices don't go down.

Hummm, let me crunch some numbers... ( 2 trygons, 3 rav boxes, 3 garg boxes) 263 euros if trygons are 45...starting saving my money

Grunt_For_Christ wrote:
So check me on these few points:

1. Pyrovore: flamer/heavy flamer template ravener-like creature that's an elite or fast attack?
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3. 8 or 12 gargoyles in the box... What do you think?
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4. Possibly termagaunts and hormagaunts get different boxes and only have 8 or 10 each?
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6. The new 'Trygon' is basically a bigger ravener that fits into the heavy slot?
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1. Pyro-vore... is like a bio-vore... but with fire. Looking at the trends in 40k, its probably a weaker biovore that has an attack that can ignore cover saves, thats my guess.

3. I think its going to be 8, 12 is unlikely because of the space all the wings will take up on the sprue.

4. This does appear to be the case.

6. Yes and then some. It burrows (deep strike) and may allow raveners to pop out of its hole.

Arschbombe wrote:Maybe it's the fabled flying spaghetti monster.

"Fabled"!??!?! All hail the Flying Spaghetti Monster and his noodily goodness!

But the FSM aside, that's a pretty cool looking 'Nid gribbly. Dunno about the thin tail holding him (it?) up, but I actually kind of like the bigger spines.

Vale,

JohnS

I'm guessing (now that we have names) that the pictured Nid is a Toxathrope, which further suggests it's related to either the Zoanthrope or Malanthrope (it appears similar to the latter). Hopefully it's a plastic model, because it really looks top-heavy.

Pyrovore doesn't excite me- anything resembling a Biovore does that I've never really liked using them, but who knows, maybe this one will be decent.

Hive Guard? I was thinking 'probably just a translation error of Tyrant Guard', but if this is a new species I'm really interested to see what it's like.

Plastic Trygon would be nice, but hopefully it isn't much smaller than the FW model. Although, with the stats it currently has, it'll probably only fit well in Apoc, unless the stats are nerfed.

Edit: Plastic Raveners? I've wanted that for so long!

Now i'm getting excited!!!
Navarro's 263 euros sounds a little slim!

True... well its just a first sketch... I will probably go nuts with some more of the cooler kits... I just hope garg wings are not like the possessed ones butt ugly.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

FoxPhoenix135 wrote:it is rumored that you will be able to field more carnifexes than ever before?

Does that simply mean their cost is dropping, or possibly something along the lines of other codexes where taking a special character gives you the option to convert them to other force organization types?

I would suspect the latter, tied to something of a cost increase of any shooty options, and a considerable cost increase for Sv2+.

The maximum to date is 6 (3 Elite & 3 Heavy).

Adding Old One Eye back in as a SC would make a grand total of 7 (1 HQ + the 6 currently available).

Technically, that would be "more carnifexes than ever before",

Plus, GW can then limit the basic list 3 (Elites, similar to Dreads), so taking the SC as HQ to add 3 Heavy works just like a SM MotF, and that isn't broken.

Actually, I'd lay money that we're getting units of monstrous creatures (which not coincidentally are mentioned in the IG book by the same author). So figure they become a 1-3 choice in HS, allowing you to field 9 of them. Meanwhile, they move out of Elites to make room for some of the new stuff.

And before anyone freaks about 9 fexes, I'm also betting the other HS choices got a lot more attractive. And I wouldn't be surprised to see some price bumps for Carnifexes, just because.

Edit: Regarding the Toxithrope model, it's not bad. I think I'll reposition the tentacles a bit, cut the vents back a little, and do something about the feeder tendrils. A color scheme other than Leviathan might also make a world of difference.

I doubt carnifexes will end up in squadrons... it worked with Leman Russ' because vehilcles lose surviability when squadroned. MC's would gain survivability in squadrons. Unless there is a nerfing or price hike to counter act that, it would only get more difficult to take out a carnifex. Imperial guard were suffering for improved viability, tyranid are not. If anything I'd say the biggest "problem" is that currently there is too many Nid-zilla armies, and something should be done to improve the diversity of Tyranid armies away from 6 (or more) carnifexes.

2 tyrants, 9 carnis and 1 trygon, rippers for troops... oh yeahhhhh

it would be great if old one eye let you have carnifex for troops wouldnt it?????????

Well, if Carnifexes become 1-3/pick, then I guess it'll be nice fielding my Wraithlords in Squads when Eldar get redone, simply because I can.

I haven't fielded 6 Wraithlords in regular 40k since the 40k3 Rulebook Iyanden army...

They could always treat Carnifices(?) like they do with Death Cult Assassins or Daemonhosts in the Daemonhunters book: you can purchase up to three for each slot (giving you a potential NINE DCA ) but they each act independently.

In this way, GW can sell more models, the kid in me who watched a lot of Godzilla as a child can justify an army with 11 MCs, and the unfortunate bastard who plays against my list at least can't complain about me using the new Wound Allocation rules.

Because I would. I would do it so hard. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

If Carnifex do get the 1-3 slot treatment, I wouldn't be surprised if they simply removed them as an Elite choice, make a basic close combat configuration the basic baseline with all the options stacked up. Being able to take 9 is one thing taking 18 is another.

I bet if you can take carnifexes in 3 member "broods", several things will happen:

1)Venom cannon will no longer just glance, but limit 1 per "brood," or only if you take 3, or some such. Same with Barbed Strangler.

2)Base ~90-100 points. Shooting symbiots very limited and very expensive with no more 2+ save.

3)Can only be done if you take VERY expensive lackluster rules HQ (Old One Eye?)

4) Requires synapse to do anything (kinda like Wraith sight).

5)Everything else will be so much better the lists won't be top tier.

probably some other balance things...

That said, 2 or 3 broods of screamer-killer Carifexes running across the table at a gun line army makes me drool... with little bugs weaving in and out of their legs... so fluffy, so dangerous, so sexy...

I miss the days when seeing one Carnifex across the table from you was terrifying.

in 500 points, I can field 2 dakkarants and 2 stranglefexes... most people are not happy...

If the "Hive Guard" isn't a translation error, I'm guessing it will probably be the Tyranid equivalent of shield drones. A unit can can attach it self to another unit and it's soul purpose is to suck up some wounds. This would dramatically increase the survivability of front line units; like Raveners, Warriors, Zoanthropes and Genestealers, without being forced to give them better armor saves to compensate for their high cost.

2 tyrants, 9 carnis and 1 trygon, rippers for troops... oh yeahhhhh

I'm right with you Fething TMC all the way.

Omega_Warlord wrote:in 500 points, I can field 2 dakkarants and 2 stranglefexes... most people are not happy...

How? You can only field as elites in 1500+ games.

Dakkarants are hive tyrants not fexes.

40 pages!

Surely this thread will collapse under its own weight soon, right?

Anyway, it will be interesting to see just what GW does to compensate for the 'problems' with the Tyranid list...

I mean, they will, right?

CT GAMER wrote:

Railguns wrote:

We really don't need a nerf, we need some updating and powering up to keep up with everyone else.

What you "need" and what you will get are usually two very different things as GW has clearly demonstrated in past codex revisions...

GW will axe nidzilla and make gant spam all the rage with 4-5pt. gants, etc.

Apocalypse gives them a nice excuse to do it guilt fee: they will have Jervis in the rag telling all the crying nid players that they can still use all thos big 'nid beasties they spent gobs of cash on in their Apoc games...

See happy ending...

QFT especially the jervis but if this rag is white dwarf magazine, they make loads of mistakes like for instance this months white dwarf (october) in the example space wolves army part of the text reads:

"and a wolf gaurd with mark of the wulfen, giving me a potential 7 thunder hammer attacks!"

when actually mark of the wulfen dont count any sort of power weapon when attacking so that artcile = FAIL.


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FoolWhip wrote:

Omega_Warlord wrote:in 500 points, I can field 2 dakkarants and 2 stranglefexes... most people are not happy...

How? You can only field as elites in 1500+ games.

you have this wrong you can field as elites if your carnifex cost less than 115pts (if thats the right number) the games points dont make a difference.

also the -rant suffix signifies hive tyrants

the -fex suffix represents carnifexes (or carnifexi w/e)

Alpharius wrote:Anyway, it will be interesting to see just what GW does to overcompensate for the 'problems' with the Tyranid list...

I mean, they will, right?

Fixed.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Well, if Carnifexes become 1-3/pick, then I guess it'll be nice fielding my Wraithlords in Squads when Eldar get redone, simply because I can.

I haven't fielded 6 Wraithlords in regular 40k since the 40k3 Rulebook Iyanden army...

i can see 40k becoming squads, squads!,SQUADS,AND MORE SQUADS!

twistinthunder wrote:


you have this wrong you can field as elites if your carnifex cost less than 115pts (if thats the right number) the games points dont make a difference.

also the -rant suffix signifies hive tyrants

the -fex suffix represents carnifexes (or carnifexi w/e)

Shock Troops says in games of 1500 points or more you ..... So you can take Fexes as elites in games of 1500 points or more.