Black Templar Crusade into the Tau Empire.

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**nomotog**

Brother Coa wrote:I didn't mean by fanboyism but by his point.
BT would never go alone in crusade against such powerful force. They would gain suport from several chapters, several sectors would send their IG Regiments, Deathwatch would join to gather relics, Imperial Navy would send some ships and several SM chapters would also send them, SoB would also join to purge xenos in the Emperor's name...
When they all gaiter up they would bring a world of pain to the Tau, but we will never find out since GW won't continue the storyline...

Ya that is something we keep forgetting about the main post. The idea wasn't that the BT was going completely alone. They where bringing the limitless power of the IoM with them. We tend to not include them because honestly, we all know that the IoM can take out the tau and we are just quivering over numbers.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:I still contend that the Templars would have enough time thanks to the element of surprise to hit-and-run enough planets to bring the Tau to their knees. Considering Tau FTL communications seem rare if even existant and the fact that the Tau have slower FTL travel than the Imperium would mean that the Templars pop out, blast a planet and then have ample of time to retreat out of the gravity well of said planet, as the Tau can neither coordinate nor respond to such a threat fast enough. Copy-paste for the next planet, the next one after that and so on. Either they gather as much of their fleet as possible without weakening their defenses against the Orks and 'Nids (the IoM isn't the only one fighting on multiple fronts you know...) and send this fleet to a world and hope the Templars show up there or they send out smaller fleets to defend different systems, which means that they're outnumbered and torn to pieces.

The BT can't just fly in nuke and fly out over and over. It's bugs me on two levels.

First, it's a poor narrative. You wouldn't get any cool battles, no drama, no sunset dual on the back of a giant whale. You can't have the swan song of the tau with out some big epic battles. It would be lame.

The next thing that dosen't make sense. Your not going to jump in nuke and jump out so cleanly. The tau is going to know you are coming. They will know when you stop off at an imperial border world or when you see a rouge trader. They are going to noticed the fleet before it crosses into tau space. Getting into the space carrys the risk of getting caught again. The tau guard all the routs into there space. Finally, the tau do have FTL coms and they even have a network of way stations that transmit throughout the empire. If you get spotted by a tau ship, then that info will be spread all through the empire.

The next thing is that tau worlds are defended. They have combat orbitals, defensive fleets, maybe even a patrol fleet that is passing by. Just getting in rage of the planet, you will have to fight. That carries two risks. Your ships might just get worn out through through a lot of small battles or a few ships might have be disabled. If you have a disabled ship, you have to make the choice of just leaving the ship and it's crew or you try to repair it leaving you a sitting duck when a patrol fleet drops in.

**iproxtaco**

Not that there's anything of the sort in the Grey Knights book, but, pointless trying to educate people on it. The Blood Angles book however should be avoided if that's your reasoning for not playing an army.

Out of the other Space Marine chapters, Black Templars or Salamanders are the two I would pick if I ever started another Marine army.

**BeefCakeSoup**

iproxtaco wrote:Not that there's anything of the sort in the Grey Knights book, but, pointless trying to educate people on it. The Blood Angles book however should be avoided if that's your reasoning for not playing an army.

Out of the other Space Marine chapters, Black Templars or Salamanders are the two I would pick if I ever started another Marine army.

As someone who hates Marine Armies for a variety of reasons, mostly due to really bad looking bad sci-fi 80s metal bell bottoms. I will admit, the GKs and BTs are frickin cool.

Having a troop with scripture written all over him is neat. Having an army structured like BTs with a High Marshal and a Champion is pretty bad ass too.

**im2randomghgh**

iproxtaco wrote:3.23*10^4 becomes 32,380, that's the approximate number of Hive Worlds in the Imperium, with populations between 25,000,000,000 and several trillion.

Actually, the only hive in the galaxy with over a trillion inhabitants is Terra, with 100 trillion. The next most populated is Armaggeddon, with 500 billion.

**im2randomghgh**

BlackTemplar587 wrote:Greetings. I have seen such Fethed up Posts here. I'm a Son of Dorn and Of the Emperor.
and I can tell you all With or Without Support the Black Templars can Purge the Entire Tau Empire, it would take a long time but it will be done.
The Black Templars are the Most Zealous and one of the Most Faithful Chapters of the Astartes.
They would never back down from a fight, would Never bring the Chapter and the Emperor in Shame.

The Heraldic Cross stands proud on our chests, where Astartes of lesser chapters wear the Emperor's Aquila. We do not wear his symbol. We are his Symbol. Another thought our Codex has not yet been Updated so the Exact number of the BlackTemplars raging across the universe has not yet been said. but it was Stated in several Forums and Websites... etc etc... like for this example: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Black_Templars that we are a Legion and a lot of Our Friends and Perhaps you "reader" know this as well that 10,000+ Black Templars are here.

With Support the Tau Empire can grovel at our knees. Saying Several other Chapters who has lets say a Grudge against the Tau, as well as the Deathwatch, as they are Xeno hunters and the Imperium are stating that the Tau are Xenos. The Imperial Guard, How many are there in one regiment? Acting a course like this invading the Tau Empire, would give us Tens, Hundreds and if the Emperor wills it Thousands of Regiments, Armoured, Infantry, Artillery that's a lot of Firepower. Let's not forget about the Imperial navy, of course they have had their fair share of action and how many Sons, Daughters, Fathers, Mothers they have sacrificed against the Tau. If they would have given a chance to join the Black Templars Crusade to Exterminate a Threat against the Imperium what would they say? Where Billions upon Billions of MEN and WOMEN would gather and Fight for their Loved ones, for the Imperium and of Course the Immortal-God Emperor himself. Would not that be a sufficient cause? and that's just the IG.

of Course Other Chapters would hear this great battle about to Happen. A Battle that would Set things Straight,that would answer all questions about this topic. That would Say who will be the Victor? All Chapters seek, Crave for Glory to Prove themselves worthy to be called Astartes, To be a Son of Their Primarch, of the Emperor, to give Honor and Respect in his name and shall go down in History. The Imperial Fists would Gladly join their Battle-Brothers after all they are the Founders of the BlackTemplars Chapter. The Crimson Fists also a Brother-Chapter derived from the Imperial Fists, they would understand and would Join in without Hesitation. Perhaps Renegade Chapters as well who are loyal to the Immortal-God Emperor, without our own knowledge... battles shall be filled throughout their Homeworld's Through Space and Xeno Occupied Worlds. Let us not Forget Rival-Chapters as well, they do not see eye to eye with the BlackTemplars but the Goal is one and the same, this would prove that are... maybe... perhaps a little better or would think that they are comparing themselves to the BlackTemplars. Ultramarines... Dark Angels, Blood Angels, Red Templars, White Templars, Sons of Dorn, Salamanders, and all the Other Chapters. Surely they we'll hear this.

The Adeptus Mechanicus, I have Limited knowledge to them, they are mysterious beings but nevertheless they are Still part of the Imperium, they will provide us support, their Great Titans shall envelop the enemies worlds, and Crush any obstacle in their way. And all the other Creations they have made to benefit the Imperium.

I wonder if the Sisters of battle would partake? Perhaps if they desire to Cleanse the Universe, to purify it... that would Frighten any Xeno Lover to come out and Pro-test within the Imperium of course... The Inquisition? Lets just give them a tip that the enemy are harboring Chaos forces or what not? Grey Knights aren't that noble as they were before the new codex arrived... Perhaps other then Heretic, they would slay Xeno.

Its all in my Opinion of Course.
I will continue in my next report.
-BlackTemplar587

And here I was, thinking I was a fanboi.

*sigh* let's start at the top.

1. Most fail paragraph I have ever seen. Ever. That video posted earlier about being stupid should be reposted for this. Without support they would be smashed apart. Completely. There are more battlesuits than their are BT, more battlesuits than there are Astartes, and an XV8 is worth A LOT more than an astartes. A lot.

2. there are ~6000 BT, not 10,000. Do not quote 1d4chan if you want to be taken seriously. And hmm, should I wear the symbol of the god I am trying to honour, or should I wear the symbol of a knightly order from 40,000 years ago that fought in the name of a god that was abolished by my god?

3. You went from "BT alone can kill Tau" to "if we had support we'd ass-rape them" pretty quick. Yes, with support they can destroy Tau, especially since with the support you described it wouldn't be guard supporting BT, it would be BT supporting Guard. But that isn't a BT crusade into the Empire, that is the Imperium crusading against a small 100 planet Empire.

4. Sons of Dorn (especially the good ones i.e. IF, CF, SD) are known for being the most level-headed astartes of all, not some glory seeking initiates. You basically described blood claws. They assess the situation tactically, and make informed decisions about their next move.

5. *sniggers* Titans are big, but enveloping worlds? 100m tall (Imperator) war machines are not capable of "enveloping worlds". They can destroy cities, but that is a COMPLETELY different scale.

6. Who the feth cares about the SOB? They are just guardsmans wives playing "dress-up astartes". That was a joke, but seriously, they are very rarely found fighting xenos (as they work for the Ordo Hereticus, and the Ecclesiarchy).

**AlmightyWalrus**

im2randomghgh wrote:
4. Sons of Dorn (especially the good ones i.e. IF, CF, SD) are known for being the most level-headed astartes of all, not some glory seeking initiates. You basically described blood claws. They assess the situation tactically, and make informed decisions about their next move.

Yeah, because Helbrecht being in command when Waaagh! Ghazgkhull was beaten back CLEARLY points to the BT being tactically inept, especially in comparison with other IF geneseed chapters.

im2randomghgh wrote:
5. *sniggers* Titans are big, but enveloping worlds? 100m tall (Imperator) war machines are not capable of "enveloping worlds". They can destroy cities, but that is a COMPLETELY different scale.

For someone who's so loud about how much lore you know, I'd expect you to know what the hell you're talking about!

**BeefCakeSoup**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
im2randomghgh wrote:
4. Sons of Dorn (especially the good ones i.e. IF, CF, SD) are known for being the most level-headed astartes of all, not some glory seeking initiates. You basically described blood claws. They assess the situation tactically, and make informed decisions about their next move.

Yeah, because Helbrecht being in command when Waaagh! Ghazgkhull was beaten back CLEARLY points to the BT being tactically inept, especially in comparison with other IF geneseed chapters.

im2randomghgh wrote:
5. *sniggers* Titans are big, but enveloping worlds? 100m tall (Imperator) war machines are not capable of "enveloping worlds". They can destroy cities, but that is a COMPLETELY different scale.

For someone who's so loud about how much lore you know, I'd expect you to know what the hell you're talking about!

Wow, I always figured them to be much larger. Given its size a Tau Manta would still be able to fight an Emperor Class Titan.

I always pegged them for WTC size mammoths on the battlefield. Guess not lol

**im2randomghgh**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
im2randomghgh wrote:
4. Sons of Dorn (especially the good ones i.e. IF, CF, SD) are known for being the most level-headed astartes of all, not some glory seeking initiates. You basically described blood claws. They assess the situation tactically, and make informed decisions about their next move.

Yeah, because Helbrecht being in command when Waaagh! Ghazgkhull was beaten back CLEARLY points to the BT being tactically inept, especially in comparison with other IF geneseed chapters.

im2randomghgh wrote:
5. *sniggers* Titans are big, but enveloping worlds? 100m tall (Imperator) war machines are not capable of "enveloping worlds". They can destroy cities, but that is a COMPLETELY different scale.

For someone who's so loud about how much lore you know, I'd expect you to know what the hell you're talking about!

1. it was a counter point to the world's biggest BT fanboi stating that nothing but glory matters to the BT. Plus, BT ARE known for getting a thousand astartes together than just charging. Helbrecht is the finest naval tactician, but he can't figure out that just charging and hoping for the best isn't smart?

2. That's wrong. A Warlord is 188 feet tall, so it is simply wrong by default. http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Titan#Emperor_Titans up to 150m, ~400 feet.

**Brother Coa**

im2randomghgh wrote:
And here I was, thinking I was a fanboi.

*sigh* let's start at the top.

1. Most fail paragraph I have ever seen. Ever. That video posted earlier about being stupid should be reposted for this. Without support they would be smashed apart. Completely. There are more battlesuits than their are BT, more battlesuits than there are Astartes, and an XV8 is worth A LOT more than an astartes. A lot.

2. there are ~6000 BT, not 10,000. Do not quote 1d4chan if you want to be taken seriously. And hmm, should I wear the symbol of the god I am trying to honour, or should I wear the symbol of a knightly order from 40,000 years ago that fought in the name of a god that was abolished by my god?

3. You went from "BT alone can kill Tau" to "if we had support we'd ass-rape them" pretty quick. Yes, with support they can destroy Tau, especially since with the support you described it wouldn't be guard supporting BT, it would be BT supporting Guard. But that isn't a BT crusade into the Empire, that is the Imperium crusading against a small 100 planet Empire.

4. Sons of Dorn (especially the good ones i.e. IF, CF, SD) are known for being the most level-headed astartes of all, not some glory seeking initiates. You basically described blood claws. They assess the situation tactically, and make informed decisions about their next move.

5. *sniggers* Titans are big, but enveloping worlds? 100m tall (Imperator) war machines are not capable of "enveloping worlds". They can destroy cities, but that is a COMPLETELY different scale.

6. Who the feth cares about the SOB? They are just guardsmans wives playing "dress-up astartes". That was a joke, but seriously, they are very rarely found fighting xenos (as they work for the Ordo Hereticus, and the Ecclesiarchy).

You are the biggest and loudest Tau fanboi there is, and you see every FW like Chuck Norris that rapes Daemon Princes for launch.

Let's start AGAIN...

1) Again with your numbers, where it is stated that Tau have millions of XV8 battlesuits? It's like saying US army have millions of M1 Abrams, they need a LOT of recources to make this kind of number. Give me the statement from the fluff that say that Tau have millions of XV8 battlesuits...

2) He was referring to "successor" chapters - that came from the BT. They would also join them in the crusade, and that comes in total of 10,000 BT. And remember that even the Imperial Administratinum doesn't know how many BT there are, 6,000 is an old and porrly estimated numbering. They have probably a lot more marines.

3) You are talking about that "small 100 planet Empire" like it can defeat everybody without breaking a sweat this whole thread. Odd that you are agreeing that Imperium can defeat Tau, I thought you oppose that because Tau have 20+ billion Chuck Norrises ( Fire Warriors ) and half of them have battle suits. And that also Tau have Manta that can kill entire Titan Legions only with auto pilot engaged... And of course that the BT wouldn't go alone, even the Great Crusade had Imperial Army to support Astartes. And knowing BT, they would directly support Guardsman at the field of battle, giving support fire and charging into melle...

4) It is also stated that Sons of Dorn are good tacticians and they are using codex Astartes. They never waste their marines, and they are always winning battles ( number 1 battle where BT lost ).

5) With one Imperator Titan you can hold entire planet from the invasion, not to mention being able to fire onto ships in low orbit. http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100226130011/warhammer40k/images/thumb/1/16/Godengines.jpg/830px-Godengines.jpg and you where saying earlier that Titans are useless because of Manta, well can Manta take down this bad boy on the felt? ( Warhound is the 3'rd smallest one ). Cleary you know nothing abot Colegia Titanica.

6) Where is Melissia to burn some heretics because of this post? They are not just " guardsmans wives playing "dress-up astartes"" - they are highly trained warriors of the Imperial Creed. With equipment almost as good as one of the Astartes, and numbering in one order almost or even bigger than BT ( so we are talking about several thousands to millions in one order alone ). And they are more zealous and better trained than Guardsman, and they fight xenos - as you can see by the redemption crusades against aliens mutants and heretics alike. Ask Melissia for detail about it because it seems you don't know nothing about SoB at all.

Because of people like you saying "Tau are the best and others are so lame" people hate Tau, and there will be even more of them. Same scenario like Matt Ward "Ultramarines are the best and all chapters want's to be like them", and how many people hate Ultramarines?

**Kilkrazy**

I've been reading these forums for six years and I've been a moderator for over two.

There has never been a stream of Tau fanboi threads. There is a continuous stream of anti-Tau threads, often coming from a particular member.

These have got to the point that they constitute trolling.

I request the "particular member" to stop trolling Tau players, and to Tau players to stop feeding the troll.