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AegisGrimm wrote:I like how alot of pro-finecasters are arguing that we never looked this hard for flaws in the old metal models, and never had threads like this about them.

I pose the question that is so telling of Finecast quality :

Can anyone even remember the last time even one of the now- stereotypical finecast problems was found when they bought a metal or plastic model?

I sure as heck can't, and it's been just over 15 years of 40K for me. Unless I guess you count bent staffs, or banner poles, and with metal, you just bend them back. The worst I ever got was flash, and that comes right off.

Metal capes.... haha My poor poor Sword Brethren set... Other than that the metal models were almost always flawless, mould lines and vents are not flaws by the way... nothing I couldn't fix by running the back of my knife along the lines and a little sandpaper. and I actually love the weight of the metal models, but I understand for those of you who are more into the playing than modeling, that metal model's weight is what breaks or chips them.

I can only hope that when new Greater Daemons actually do finally come out, that they aren't finecast... and I won't pay $200 for a resin version of the GW greater daemons, but hey, the dechaosing of Chaos is something for another thread.

This is quite sad. I am expecting my 25th Anniversary model (any-fething-day now) and seeing not one, but TWO dioramas severely ed up only wants me to cancel my order and get a damn refund...

On the other hand, those vets look immacualte...I have no idea why people are saying they look bad.

E.V.E- "That is a joke."

I'm glad oni was able to get his money back for that.

I’ve had nothing but disappointments with my fine cast purchases, to the extent that I now buy white metal recasts from china. It’s a sad time for the hobby when the bootlegs are better quality than the originals

Sidstyler wrote:I'm glad oni was able to get his money back for that.

If they hose me over with this limited edition miniature I'm going to see exactly how far they bend. (Papa needs another Tervigon.)

My Finecast expierence is 50/50. So fare one great and one bad, the replacement was much better and I am ok with it.

I can completely understand why people are up in arms about it, and they have every right to be. I personally choose not to get bent out of shape about it, this is my hobby it's what I do to have fun and relax. That being said I'll still by them and if they are messed up I'll call and get another one.

Well there are my thoughts on it FWIW

It kinda looked to me like someone used Photoshop to try and hide a couple of holes, and used their color picker on a light blue for some reason. I dunno, I admit I had trouble trying to see the problem myself, it just looks like a couple of discolored areas to me.

Has anyone had any experience with Eldar Finecasts? I was thinking of picking up more Harlequins but they were fiddly enough in metal, god knows what a potential botched Finecast will do to them!

Sidstyler wrote:It kinda looked to me like someone used Photoshop to try and hide a couple of holes, and used their color picker on a light blue for some reason. I dunno, I admit I had trouble trying to see the problem myself, it just looks like a couple of discolored areas to me.

Its not just you. I was thinking it was GS or some sort of filler, then they did a color filter on the entire picture thinking it would mask the color difference.

For Harlequins, even if the models look perfect, I worry about the tiny contact points with the base that hold up the entire model.

But I have no long term experience of Finecast strength other than looking at bent and pitted models in the blisters and saying "Nope".

So who's going to start a Fincast Fail-A-Day blog outside Dakka so all the failures can be collected in one place?

Personally I think neither boycotting nor getting refunds will ever solve this issue.

coyotius wrote:So who's going to start a Fincast Fail-A-Day blog outside Dakka so all the failures can be collected in one place?

Personally I think neither boycotting or getting refunds will ever solve this issue.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?305436-Official-WarSeer-Finecast-Poll

Its quite interesting reading the GW fans's excuses to defend the failures.

We basically have one person ( druichi monkey ) making claims that the complaints are exaggerated.
Then we have MANY people posting their failcasts.
Then we have druichi monkey denying them all
And then he post some of his ( "good casts", though ironically he failed to spot the problems area LOL )
then he tries to override everyone's failed product with is own.....

LunaHound wrote:

coyotius wrote:So who's going to start a Fincast Fail-A-Day blog outside Dakka so all the failures can be collected in one place?

Personally I think neither boycotting or getting refunds will ever solve this issue.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?305436-Official-WarSeer-Finecast-Poll

Its quite interesting reading the GW fans's excuses to defend the failures.

We basically have one person ( druichi monkey ) making claims that the complaints are exaggerated.
Then we have MANY people posting their failcasts.
Then we have druichi monkey denying them all
And then he post some of his ( "good casts", though ironically he failed to spot the problems area LOL )
then he tries to override everyone's failed product with is own.....

Put it this way. Druchii Monkey wanted the use of the term "Failcast" (or derivatives thereof) to be a bannable offence...

So, yeah.

Grimtuff wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

coyotius wrote:So who's going to start a Fincast Fail-A-Day blog outside Dakka so all the failures can be collected in one place?

Personally I think neither boycotting or getting refunds will ever solve this issue.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?305436-Official-WarSeer-Finecast-Poll

Its quite interesting reading the GW fans's excuses to defend the failures.

We basically have one person ( druichi monkey ) making claims that the complaints are exaggerated.
Then we have MANY people posting their failcasts.
Then we have druichi monkey denying them all
And then he post some of his ( "good casts", though ironically he failed to spot the problems area LOL )
then he tries to override everyone's failed product with is own.....

Put it this way. Druchii Monkey wanted the use of the term "Failcast" (or derivatives thereof) to be a bannable offence...

So, yeah.

hmm...... alright in that case

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I have cleaned the latest round of OT nonsense out of the thread. If you really want to argue about the most appropriate way to highlight castng errors in photographs, I would recommend rethinking just how much time you're spending on the internet.

I fully congratulate people if they get Finecast models they are happy with. Kudos for them, and have fun!

I just personally don't think a product that costs a good deal more than the old standby should have so many examples to the contrary.

White metal figures easily could have had a 50% failure rate in casting, we don't know. The important difference though, is that if they did, the flaws didn't reach consumers at anywhere near the rate of Finecast, while still maintaining a lower price point compared to the economy of the years they were being sold during. That's my major gripe, far above the materials change.

Oh MY goodness i get it know. Soon there will be a golden deamon prize for "Best Finecast Save"
Its all a plan man.

Okay, I will say this, when I started my re-tooling to make my Necrons army, I had to go Finecast. While the necron lords do have some good attention to detail, and yes, I had to shave at the vent spots, but no major missing areas problems(lucky me)

But when I gently worked on the staff of Imhotekh, that little ball popped off with no real problems, I have the worry when when packing in my models that the staff weapon will break as happened to the lord that runs, (In fact I replaced the haft with a drilled out plastic one with metal inside.)

Yet I recall another "Finecast" of the Skaven Jezzail team, a darker shade of gray than the Necrons almost white pale gray color, and that gun could be bent past 90 degreees and come back, the lords staff snapped at less than a 20degree bend!

Because they are the undead of space, did GW decide they should be so brittle? That jezzail was deliberately dropped on the floor and suffered no harm, I am fearing what would happen to my fully painted models that are so delicate hitting the floor by accident!

At nearly 20dollars a piece, they should have been of the same mix of resin material that Jezzail was. They should have a record of the mixture level, how much basic to how much reactant that gave the Jezaails such nigh invulnerability and details, and have stuck with that for ALL finecast minis and problem solved as far as brittle-ness is concerned. But no, GW allows for the batches of resin to be mixed haphazardly and allows a nicely detailed mini as delicate as a snow-flake to be let out of the factory, had the QA people tried to bend a cooled down mini and seen that snap, then they could have stopped it and went for a proper mix.

I wish they had just stuck to plastics all the way instead of trying to over complicate things with their resin that make me NOT want to buy DKoK minis as at 80bucks a squad, their rifles would be so brittle as to never be played at all for fear of ruining them.

I picked up Coteaz today. I guess that this is my baptism.



It looks as if something pressed against it (or it was pressed against something) while the resin was still malleable. I can imagine someone missing this on a cursory inspection but honestly, for $18.25 + tax, I'd expect them to look a little more closely.

And that's really the problem, isn't it? I've gotten worse miniatures before. It's repairable. But damn, for that much money I shouldn't have to fix it. It's a shame. The front looked great, and while there's a minimal amount of flash on the hammer, Coteaz himself and the bird are basically good to go right out of the package...except for the cape. It's doubly annoying because I do a bit of resin casting myself without any special equipment and it's just not that hard to do correctly. Metal gives me far more trouble.

For those of you who have traveled this road already, what's the preferred method for getting an exchange? The GW store is a good distance away and I wouldn't be able to return until next Sunday, so I'd rather handle this over the phone or via email if possible.

n00ber wrote:For those of you who have traveled this road already, what's the preferred method for getting an exchange? The GW store is a good distance away and I wouldn't be able to return until next Sunday, so I'd rather handle this over the phone or via email if possible.

Logic Analysis time!

-If you bought it in the store, chances are you already bought the ones in best condition.
-Chances are the glaring flaws are keeping the customers from buying up the rest.
-Which means the staff sees that model still being plenty and not stock new ones.
-That action prevents any chance of none fail one coming through.

Best chance is asking mail order.
They'll require receipt and photo ( atleast for me they did )
They'll send you to a GW store to pick it upif you are close enough, you dont get to pick.

Staff looks at you confused on why you are ordering when there is still stock available.
You explain to staff you dont want fail cast.
They try to sell you liquid GS and tell you its easy to fix.

LunaHound wrote:

n00ber wrote:For those of you who have traveled this road already, what's the preferred method for getting an exchange? The GW store is a good distance away and I wouldn't be able to return until next Sunday, so I'd rather handle this over the phone or via email if possible.

Logic Analysis time!

-If you bought it in the store, chances are you already bought the ones in best condition.
-Chances are the glaring flaws are keeping the customers from buying up the rest.
-Which means the staff sees that model still being plenty and not stock new ones.
-That action prevents any chance of none fail one coming through.

Best chance is asking mail order.
They'll require receipt and photo ( atleast for me they did )
They'll send you to a GW store to pick it upif you are close enough, you dont get to pick.

Staff looks at you confused on why you are ordering when there is still stock available.
You explain to staff you dont want fail cast.
They try to sell you liquid GS and tell you its easy to fix.

Think we'd have less complaints if GW supplied a free bottle of Liquid Green Stuff with every $30+ dollar of finecast minis? In all seriousness, if they provided the LGS as a free product with proof of a bubbled/damaged mini, I'd probably say "okay" to it-after all, you have to do a bit of fixing up, but you get free product as well that you can use on gaps on other minis, like ones that you kit-bash. Some minis aren't fixable, but for the ones that can be fixed by LGS, if they gave it freely upon proof of damage, wouldn't more of us be okay with it? My issues with FC, as said before, are in hard to see areas, unless you're intent on looking at the underside of Dante's and Grimgore's respective naughty-zones.

timetowaste85 wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

n00ber wrote:For those of you who have traveled this road already, what's the preferred method for getting an exchange? The GW store is a good distance away and I wouldn't be able to return until next Sunday, so I'd rather handle this over the phone or via email if possible.

Logic Analysis time!

-If you bought it in the store, chances are you already bought the ones in best condition.
-Chances are the glaring flaws are keeping the customers from buying up the rest.
-Which means the staff sees that model still being plenty and not stock new ones.
-That action prevents any chance of none fail one coming through.

Best chance is asking mail order.
They'll require receipt and photo ( atleast for me they did )
They'll send you to a GW store to pick it upif you are close enough, you dont get to pick.

Staff looks at you confused on why you are ordering when there is still stock available.
You explain to staff you dont want fail cast.
They try to sell you liquid GS and tell you its easy to fix.

Think we'd have less complaints if GW supplied a free bottle of Liquid Green Stuff with every $30+ dollar of finecast minis? In all seriousness, if they provided the LGS as a free product with proof of a bubbled/damaged mini, I'd probably say "okay" to it-after all, you have to do a bit of fixing up, but you get free product as well that you can use on gaps on other minis, like ones that you kit-bash. Some minis aren't fixable, but for the ones that can be fixed by LGS, if they gave it freely upon proof of damage, wouldn't more of us be okay with it? My issues with FC, as said before, are in hard to see areas, unless you're intent on looking at the underside of Dante's and Grimgore's respective naughty-zones.

I would be very OK with it if they did the following:

1) Apologize for the bad product
2) Offer to fix it for free, with their own liquid GS

But no I have never heard that , nor have anyone else have that nice experience.

LunaHound wrote:snip

It's totally not like GW and FW won't send you a new model or anything if there's bubbles...

Though I wouldn't ask you to read 40 pages of this thread, I do assume you should have gotten the gist of it by now?
Should I explain? I dont mind actually.\

LunaHound wrote:

Logic Analysis time!

-If you bought it in the store, chances are you already bought the ones in best condition.
-Chances are the glaring flaws are keeping the customers from buying up the rest.
-Which means the staff sees that model still being plenty and not stock new ones.
-That action prevents any chance of none fail one coming through.

It was the only one that they had, actually. I don't think that people were avoiding it though. As I said, the front looked wonderful. I saw another one (and only one) at one of the three (!) FLGSs right here in town, but since I had to go to GW anyway I picked it up there. It's no cheaper at the local stores and in fact, one of them charges more than GW.

Your explanation makes sense though. If I offer a return policy on my products but make it a pain in the ass, no one will ask for returns. No returns = adequate quality. Brilliant!

I'll give them a ring tomorrow. In the meantime...yeah, not liking the Finecast. The potential is there but I'm not a gambling man.

n00ber wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

Logic Analysis time!

-If you bought it in the store, chances are you already bought the ones in best condition.
-Chances are the glaring flaws are keeping the customers from buying up the rest.
-Which means the staff sees that model still being plenty and not stock new ones.
-That action prevents any chance of none fail one coming through.

It was the only one that they had, actually. I don't think that people were avoiding it though. As I said, the front looked wonderful. I saw another one (and only one) at one of the three (!) FLGSs right here in town, but since I had to go to GW anyway I picked it up there. It's no cheaper at the local stores and in fact, one of them charges more than GW.

Your explanation makes sense though. If I offer a return policy on my products but make it a pain in the ass, no one will ask for returns. No returns = adequate quality. Brilliant!

I'll give them a ring tomorrow. In the meantime...yeah, not liking the Finecast. The potential is there but I'm not a gambling man.

Best wishes on your replacement :3

zinge wrote:For those that missed it - check the chains

Just took a look at the photo in WD and I think this is actually a common Photoshop error rather than a casting error.

The piece was shot against a white background and the blue to white blend background was added in Photoshop. I've done it hundreds of times when processing Armorcast catalog photos to get a consistent background over many photos for catalog/web catlog.

The problem was that the editor had the magic wand selector tool set too high and it selected some areas on the model that had lighting highlights on them (the two partial chain links) and he did not catch these areas. The original background was then deleted and replaced with the new blue/white blend background which filled into the selected areas of chain that should not have been selected (or should have been deselected).

One way to verify this is to look at the spike thing directly to the left of the chain (past the skull at the very left edge of the photo. Looking at the painted model in the photo above, you can see that the area between the two elements of this spike thing have an open area between them. In the unpainted photo most of this area is filled with flashing, but there is a small area of white. This white area was from the original white background. The editor should have selected the white area and the piece of flash and deleted them so that the blue/white blend would have filled in the space between the spike elements and not left it white and gray.

Tim

I am going to write a letter to GW complaining. Will let you know if I get a response.

Don't write an E-mail. Write an actual letter.

Light a bag of poo on fire and leave it on their doorstep, when they open it, throw your finecast at their face.

Maybe they'll start to understand how we feel then.