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Khorne embodies honour, courage, and defending the weak.

What the heck
he trys to kill the little guy
what,s he doing sending hs demon prince out after mt imperial gaurdsmen and the slaughtering millions of defenceless citzens if he protects the little guy

and the imperium controls everything with an iron fist allowing no free will or thought and anyone who ever expresses any doubt that the imperium is not exactly right is burned and silenced immediately
wow how nice of them

Pyromaniac wrote:
wow how nice of them

The inquisition is the embodyment of niceness

nope never

She ate mine one day....

Two things are assured; Death and taxes. So there's a hideously controlling star spanning empire. But it is huge. So it can, in the extreme, feed upon bits of itself. It's purpose is to protect mankind as a species until it evolves into a psychic race. Not neccessarily to cosset the entire human race in a nice fluffy blanket.

Now, the ruinous powers, representing the theme of man vs himself, are simply a reaction to straightjacket that mankind has imposed upon itself in order to survive long enough to evolve to 'the next level'.

Is any of this 'good' ? No. Is any of this 'evil' ? More than likely. Is it neccessary ? Only if you want to play 40K. Otherwise your HQ choice can meet the other guy's HQ choice in between deployment zones and shake hands and go home.

I think that thinking about this too much is possibly not healthy. After all if you decide that your hobby is a depiction of evil upon evil then what does that make you ? See what I mean ? I prefer to think of the hobby as a laugh with a few friends over beer and pizza. Ergo a source of joy and comaradarie. Now I'm rambling so much that I'm drifting off the thread and pontificating. Sorry.

Space_hoppo wrote:Chaos is what comes from control

CHAOS.....CONTROL!

10badsonicjokes

Typeline wrote: This is something I've been thinking about for a long time actually. I think the Chaos Gods are all good guys. Some Space Marines heard their calls though, but those calls weren't evil. They were "The emperor, the man you worship, is a fraud. He is disabled/dead and being used as a puppet by the empire". .

dont forget, the emperor wasnt dead at the time. He only became dead because of what horus, leader of the chaos marines did to him. On the other hand, I would agree with the view that the chaos gods arent inherently 'evil'. Evil is subjective, after all. one man's evil is another man's good.

The great crusade was a terrible mess, destroying ancient societys and xenos races, because they dont look like humans?
And if i remeber correctly Horus was tricked, he was told by the chaos gods that the emporer was going to rise to godhood and leave everyone, they showed him a pray world, and his statue was there the loyalist primarchs, and thought the emporer was going to leave him after all he's done. Horus wanted to kill the emporer and declare himself the ruler of mankind, well he did want that at the start of the heresy, it warped and changed along the way but that was the reason for his heresy.

If the chaos gods are made from emotion, then the imperium brought this on itself, the vast magority of the imperium live in planets forced under imperial rule, all that hate gets pumped into the chaos gods who strike at the imperium. So realy is chaos achualy doing what these Citzens wanted?

Demons are evil because humanity makes them evil, they are also created from the emotion of the warp, if humanity was a loving, caring race without a load of tyrants ruling it, i think demons would have flowers in there hair, and be good.

When the emporer quit the great crusade it caused alot of negitive feelings throught the imperium, the amount of pressure it put on Horus was unbeleiveable, and while the emporer was in his little lab, the high lords of Terra were putING pressure on recently conquered planets making even more hate.

Are the chaos gods evil? or are they just giving the average slave or citzen what it wants? Which is the fall of the imperium.

As is said in the HH series about a hundred times (mainly false gods). The chaos gods have, or had, no interest in the materium. They only did when the emperor started messing with warp power (the creation of the primarchs and marines) and thus began the series of events which led to the horus heresy.

Its all in the hh books, read them, they're awesome.

never in a millionn years

I'd say CSM are evil they just don't see it that way, at least not all of them. In the Storm of Iron book some of the marines talk about how they are using chaos to protect humanity from all the other races in the universe and without the power chaos gives humanity will die out. But at the same time they do things like sacrifice hundreds of slaves to appease the gods and what not. I know the Imperium does similar things but isn't that how GW has the universe set up? As in there are no really good guys. Everyone has a goal, some more noble than others but they bring themselves down with ignoble actions. I would say the Imperium used to be totally good when the Emperor was ruling it because then the leadership didn't suffer from human weaknesses like greed.

What 40K shows, as well as any civilization domination game, is that in order to wage a prolonged war or to even sustain a lengthy empire, that empire has to instill a fascist thought process in its citizenry.
Every Empire has to do this to some extent or die. Every empire ever created, whether real or fictional, has its own propoganda.

Of course this is all just IMHO and I don't believe in altruistic governments. I believe in Machiavellian ones.


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The reason everyone can keep going back and saying "Chaos is obv pur eval you guyz srslyz!" is because the way GW writes it's story. Everything is written from the emperium's perspective. So it's hard to actually gauge what is going through a Marines head when he decides to switch sides. It kind of makes the fluff sections of every codex besides a few rather useless.

I'd like GW to give each race a level of humanity rather than just writing "Space Marines: Good guys! Hurr! Save people! Chaos Space Marines: Bad guys! Worship demons cause they liek stuffz alot! Kill people cause they think it's totally grim/dark"

Dude it's 40K! Everyone is evil in one way or another.

Well as I see it Chaos is no more evil than the Imperium, they just make it a bit more public. Yes the Imperium is evil, don't try to deny that.

i think this is what being possessed starts with

Lol, i am sure alot of noob imperials thought of same thing about "good" chaos gods!!! Then slaneesh worshipper ends up getting sodomised by rusty spiked dildos etc...