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Actually, I change my vote.

I love GW. How do I love GW?

I love GW in the exact same manner that I love their rules: I love the concept, but hate the execution.

I love what GW represents, what it aims and aspires to be, what it says about itself. I hate that they fall short of that mark with so many things they do.

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JohnHwangDD wrote:
Manchu wrote:
chromedog wrote:It makes you look bad, and this impacts the stock performance.

Do you happen to know what name GW or its parent is traded under?


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Ah, thanks very much!

   
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H.B.M.C. wrote:Actually, I change my vote.

I love GW. How do I love GW?

I love GW in the exact same manner that I love their rules: I love the concept, but hate the execution.

I love what GW represents, what it aims and aspires to be, what it says about itself. I hate that they fall short of that mark with so many things they do.


Don't worry H.M.B.C., it is a labor of love to improve something, complaining leads to change, change leads to the dark side, the dark side leads to better GW performance!


 
   
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chromedog:

Maybe they changed it, but the Ork FAQ definitely has an Errata in it, and the Chaos Codex contains answers to questions that aren't so much clarifications as re-writing the Codex. Still, I don't think the lack of errata is driven by attention to the value of the stock so much as publishing errata does nothing to resolve rules arguments and sucks up valuable resources better used doing something constructive.
   
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Wrexasaur wrote:Don't worry H.M.B.C., it is a labor of love to improve something, complaining leads to change, change leads to the dark side, the dark side leads to better GW performance!


More like complaining leads to being ignored, being ignored leads to GW blaming the players for the problem, GW blaming the players leads to PRICE RISE TUESDAY!!!!!

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Voted "Like". I used to be firmly in the "Love" category, but some of GW's buffoonery as of late has left me feeling a bit stung.

To name a few things (By order of severity).

The most recent Blastscape Bait-n-Switch. Which is made all the worse by the sycophants at my local store singing their praises non-stop, and somehow not seeing the drastic differences in advertised product vs. produced product. Grr.

Significantly reduced stock in all GW stores. Few things annoy me more than going into a store that is RUN by a company that produces a very specialized product, and them not stocking that product. I'm perfectly ok with stores running out of a certain item, that's just the pitfalls of the retail world. I'm even ok with stores not stocking old, out of date merchandise, what chaps MY ass is when they don't stock new models, or models that are part of the current range. Wanted to buy Creed to command my Storm Trooper insertion force of 3 Kasrkin Squads and 3 Valkyries, with a Commissar lord to keep them all in line. Would you care to guess how many of these models I had to direct order? (Hint, the only thing they keep in stock is ONE Valkyrie). The same problem crops up with every army. I sketched out half a lizardman army, and only a handful of the models were actually on sale at my local store. Don't even get me started about sisters.

Honestly, I don't see how brick and mortar stores can turn a profit when you have to go home and get online to buy half the product you want.


The recent Guard Codex and releases are nice, but they definitely feel like they phoned in part of it. A bunch of recycled bits on the command sprues, slightly diminished details on the two new tanks, the removal of the vehicle accessory sprue in favor of one static looking crew member per vehicle, not to mention the strange and arbitrary rules and points costs in the rules themselves. Not a big complaint, but a bit lacking in the good ol' spit'n'polish.

GamesDay Chicago has just been on a steady decline (And I assume it's the same worldwide, from what I hear). And with the removal of the GT, it only gets worse.

Okay well, I'm done venting. Continued spectacular customer service plus some real top-notch recent releases in Planetstrike and Planetary Empires keeps me well up above the "meh... okay" category.

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Wrexasaur wrote:Don't worry H.M.B.C., it is a labor of love to improve something, complaining leads to change, change leads to the dark side, the dark side leads to better GW performance!

Part of that is so true.

Complaining leads to change, change leads to hope, hope becomes dismay as reality sets in, dismay becomes anger and finger pointing and scapegoat-ing. Hell, look at the state of the US.

Anyhoo, I doubt GW is planning on changing anything major. They're making too much money this way. As much as we all gripe about prices, we still buy their models. We have to. (We as a generalization, mind ye.) Even petitions, protests, etc won't do much, I don't think, simply because GW has the cash rolling in and they only need the cash, customer satisfaction is lower on the to-do list.

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@AlexCage

In all UK stores you can use the instore computer to order anythng that isn't in stock, it gets shipped to the store for no extra cost, and is payed for just like buying it off the shelf. Sadly due to lack of demand special characters such as Creed are no longer restocked in stores, I had the same problem when I wanted to buy Azrael . . . but through the use of the intrawebz you can easily buy whatever you want, at no extra cost, and with just a bit of a wait =]

@Rico

Actually in a niche market (such as wargaming) customer satisfaction HAS to maintained at a high level, because if GW doesn't retain customers then they won't get repeat custom, won't be able to sustain themselves, and will find themselves falling into a deep dark hole.

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I voted Ok, just because they make a good product. Other than that I'm not fussed about them any more. GW acts like the Microsoft of the gaming world, which it isn't. The gaming world needs to make them aware that they aren't god's gift to gaming, that there are other company's out there that make good systems as well.

The problem GW has is that it's systems involve some much $ & £ investment they can't afford gamers to be distracted by other systems. This means I can't ever see them being truely involved in promoting the hobby in general, again, like Microsoft, they will promote the hobby, but it will be their version.

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IMO neither MS or GW are Gods in their fields . . . but that's a different matter =]

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I voted I like them. Sure they have sucky parts, and sometimes they do things that make me want to kill someone. But they still make a game that I really enjoy. I love to convert the minis, and enjoy painting them. Making up fluff and reading about other peoples fluff is always fun. I like them, but I do agree they need to do things differently, and stop acting like they have an unlimted source of funds,so lets just keep fumbling things.

Oh cool 3000 posts!

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I voted in the middle.

Ive been in this hobby for about 17 years now (god Im getting old). In the beginning a blister of metals came with 2 striking scorpions for 6.50 A character would run you maybe 7.50 (and sometimes came with a regular troop) and the Codexes were huge, multicolored and fluffy for 20$. Plastics were static models, but you got 16-20 for $20. I worked at a game store, age 16-18, then age 21-22 (while finishing college).

That was in 1996-7.

OK, metals are metal, the detail has always been nice and I am pretty sure the cost is about the same. I KNOW for a fact metal didnt go up 100-150$ in the last 10-12 years. Yet we may as well be playing with gold, not pewter tin mix.

How can one special character metal blister be 20$?

I will agree that the plastics are awesome kits, designed well with good detail, but again, plastic isnt all that expensive to deal with, oils dropped like a brick, so why not translate that cost savings to your loyal customers?

White Dwarf was the gak in the old days, new units, new army list (official), actually good articles, specialist games. Now its mostly advertising, and does ANYONE read that LoTR section anymore? I miss my cutout vehicle cards, and special rules, you didnt have to wait for a new codex to have new units added to your army.

Call me biased (I do run a bit company catering to 40k and fantasy folks), but I know there is a way to do this cheaper and still listen to your fans. I think the GW stores are cool, but seriously, do we need 1 at every city corner (we have 2 in Dallas Fort Worth, only 15-20 minutes from each other).

It used to be the LGS were the ones to get the players in the games, not anymore GW is doing its best to out compete the LGS concerning GW items and at the same time up-price its products to cover the endeavor.

Just my 2 cents...

 
   
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They have awesome products, really they do, but they are rather $$$.


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I voted 'love' and 'burn'. It's a love/hate relaitonship that's been going on for 20 years!

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Attention haters: Some of you believe GW is awful because it does not bother to make the rules any better. Please see this example of how Dakka disagrees.

   
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Well, that settles it. Thanks to that poll I'm setting up a shrine to Jervis tomorrow, cancelling my order with Maelstrom and buying full-price retail from now on.

Or, y'know, not.

Aside from that there's no point in dignifying the post above mine. It's almost as if anyone who isn't suckling at the breast of GW lapping up everything they do and taking everything they say as gospel is somehow a 'hater'. Wake up and stop being so damned blind. Criticism has its place.

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If you are a consumer, you are entitled to criticise your product of choice, or reframe from purchasing based on your dislike of certain aspects of the product. This does not make you a 'hater', this isn't a religion, this is an overpriced box of toy soldiers.



 
   
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Manchu wrote:Attention haters: Some of you believe GW is awful because it does not bother to make the rules any better. Please see this example of how Dakka disagrees.


That linky only begs more questions:

1. Are many Gw fanboys willing to stomach just about anything GW feeds to them rather then admit the object of their desire blows?

2. Are many Dakka members really young and have only played 5th edition?

3. Are some people so overwhelmed by the grief of how much money and times they have spent on the game that they refuse to accept defeat?

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Manchu wrote:Attention haters: Some of you believe GW is awful because it does not bother to make the rules any better. Please see this example of how Dakka disagrees.

That's like saying that the new promotional burger (Angus here in Canada) is the best McDonald's burger (which it is, by FAR). Sure, it is better, but that doesn't mean that McDonalds burgers are premium burgers.
   
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My feelings are mixed.

I enjoy most of their products and think the designers and artists maintain a high creative standard. But man are they a weird and frustrating company sometimes. For one thing, good god are they stubborn. There are companies twenty times their size that behave more nimbly. I appreciate deliberation and adherence to the long-term plan, but GW seems to turn like a battleship, when it's a frigate at best.

There's also something almost cult-like about them. I've heard many times how their middle management are a bunch of yes men that demonstrate ideological purity. You get the impression that even the company management are "true believers."

All of this might not seem completely on topic, and you might be asking how that really affects my enjoyment of their products. I guess it doesn't per se. I guess I'm just blabbering about their weirdness, because it's weird to me that a company whose products I usually like is so consistent with those inexplicible WTF moments every year.

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I dont mind there a company. Thay do whatevery other company does. Screw you over and try to protect There business.

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GW GW
Does whatever a comp'ny does
Makes a game, sells it twice
It's got radioactive dice,
Chainsaws!
Here comes GW...
   
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I'd rather not be reminded of chainsaw warrior..



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I voted for the eloquently written option of "GW? yeah... they suck" because they're making me loathe my plastic crack addition to the point of quitting GW-grade fixes due to their poor business model and treatment of their community.

WHY THE HELL DOESN'T GW ALLOW NEAL's THEWARSTORE.COM to have a proper shopping cart yet Maelstrom and other lads across the pond are able to do so and sell at a cheaper price to boot. And this happened years ago and its still FUBAR'd and its just the top of the iceberg AHAHAHAHAH


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Neal doesn't have a brick and mortar store maybe?



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Oshova wrote:@AlexCage

In all UK stores you can use the instore computer to order anythng that isn't in stock, it gets shipped to the store for no extra cost, and is payed for just like buying it off the shelf. Sadly due to lack of demand special characters such as Creed are no longer restocked in stores, I had the same problem when I wanted to buy Azrael . . . but through the use of the intrawebz you can easily buy whatever you want, at no extra cost, and with just a bit of a wait =]


Why would I do that when I can simply order it from home then, used or new from a secondary distributor, and for far less money? Not to mention it saves me the time and gas of at least two trips to the store as well.


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BrookM wrote:Neal doesn't have a brick and mortar store maybe?


No, simply arbitrary North American only restrictions.

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BrookM wrote:I'd rather not be reminded of chainsaw warrior..

Lego reminded us all of Dark Future in his SG poll.

Perhaps he's forgotten GW's Dracula game?

   
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