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Once played a guard army with my marines. The guy was using loaded dice as he would always make the rare armor save he had to take with a 6 and most of his shooting rolls hit and wounded with 6s. I still won I forced leadrership tests on his units, he kept rolling 12 for his LD checks 12 for his regroups and 12 for his flee. After the game he acused me of cheating, his reasoning that his dice were loaded so he should have won.

Note to all if your using loaded dice, dont use them for leadership and flee rolls.

Sidstyler wrote:lolz, never heard of anyone literally whipping their gak out on the table.

If you can think of a better way to measure movement/assault, i'd like to hear it

But, I can't move infantry that far!

Jimi Nemesis wrote:But, I can't move infantry that far!

I loled

But I can't turboboost Landspeeders that far...

I can shoot my Stompas Deth Kannon that far >:O

I might be able to run my infantry that far, if i roll low

JonnyDelta wrote:Gamers with eye patches?
Thats like instant street cred.


I have seen dice tossing - though at times it has been coordinated/aimed. And all in good fun.

LOL !
I can see it now , Eye patch back in 02 - the Battle of Black reach - dice fragment..

the enemy was all over - green tide - rolled a cover save and the dice flew...

I have 3 stories of bad sportsmanship,

First was my only blow up in my 8 years of playing, it happened when I was playing my CSM against my friends Eldar army. First turn my 8 man NM squad took 8 wounds, I only saved 2 of them, my CSM squad w/ IoCG maneged to get pinned! (rolled a 12 and rerolled an 11) and then when Thyphus took 3 wounds I picked him up and smashed him against a wall (first time I used him too, cause he has 4 wounds!).

The second is about my old step father who got into the game when i was in high school a few years back. It was his Necrons vs my DA. The turn before mine his warriors had shot at my dev squad, so I elected to shoot at the wariors that had shot at me the turn before hand. He said that they couldn't see his warriors, even though his warriors could see my guys? I managed to cause enough wounds to cause them to take a morale check, which i reminded him to take, they then fell off the board. He got so pissed that he threw a die at me that actually left a scratch on my knuckle.

And last was my former best friend who quite playing 40k and picked up Fantasy. When i asked him why he saided that I only wrote chesy lists and that 40k was broken. In reality it was because he wouldn't listen to anyone's advice and had never beaten me in over the year that we had been playing.

My gaming group has a dice box; it is just an 8” by 10” by 6” open box that we use to contain our dice when we roll. We do this to keep the dice contained and basically keep the game orderly, plus it keeps the dice from mingling with the dice on the table during play. One of the rules is that dice that fall out of the box or miss the box due to over-enthusiastic rolling the competing player decided if they were rerolled or kept – it was done by the individual die basis “Reroll the 4, 5, and 6; but keep the 1 and 2 for your armor saves”. This rule was made to encourage players to keep die discipline.

The player I was up against had the horrible habit of walking out of games that he felt he could not win. He was called on it and repetitively informed that it was expect of him to play out a game even if he felt the odds had shifted against him. Well I was playing him and had reached a point where I was about to unleash a decent amount of fire against his chaos lord’s retinue. It was the third turn and I had spent the first two maneuvering my forces while he blasted away at my units. Several of my units were now firing upon his one unit and I rolled to hit for them together to save time and sorted the dice by color before handing them to him informing him of the break down, “The green are the shuriken catapults from my guardians and jetbikers, the red are the shots from my star cannon, the white are from the shuriken cannons, and the blue are my thrown singing spears. I slide the box over to him explaining what wounds on what and what ignores armor. (The way we played you roll to see if your own models were wounded)

My opponent starts complaining and saying there is no point in continuing since I was clearly going to win. I sternly and calmly lecture him on his obligation of playing out the game, making reference to the social backlash that would be handed to an opponent that stormed off mid-competition in any other competitive event. At this the whining stops and I allow myself to believe that the player has be led to see the error of his conduct. The player picks up the assortment of colored dice handed to him while maintaining eye contact holds the dice a foot away from the box and lets them fall all over the table. He looks at me, waves his hands over the dice and says, “Pick out the ones you want me to reroll”.

I look back at him and nonchalantly state, “Oh, I want you to reroll all of them, pick up 27 green, 2 red, 7 white, and 2 blue dice and try again.” And he had to spend the next few minutes counting out the dice that he had so callously spilled across the table. We played out the game despite his skulking behavior. He actually wanted to play another game after that – I declined.

You know, in every other competitive game, it is perfectly legit to forfeit any game.

Why is it seen as so terrible in 40k?
If you know you are going to lose, whats the point of playing it out? So your opponent can gloat more?

Timmah wrote:You know, in every other competitive game, it is perfectly legit to forfeit any game.

Why is it seen as so terrible in 40k?
If you know you are going to lose, whats the point of playing it out? So your opponent can gloat more?

IMO theres a difference... If there is 100% NO WAY you can win (this is something Ive rarely seen... its possible for a turn of good/bad rolling or one bad move to turn the game...) then I would say its ok to forfeit in a friendly way(ex: "Hey looks like you got me beat and in order to save us both some time Im just going to give you the win"). That would be a fine way to forfeit a game in the situation... Getting pissy cause you got outmanuvered and shot up, and just saying Im out, this is pointless... no. Thats just a waste of the other persons time is it not? This is just my thought though..

Timmah wrote:You know, in every other competitive game, it is perfectly legit to forfeit any game.

Why is it seen as so terrible in 40k?
If you know you are going to lose, whats the point of playing it out? So your opponent can gloat more?

You'd have to be pretty darn sure that you're going to lose, though. There are people that throw temper tantrums at the dumbest things. There are plenty of times where a game can (and has) been turned at the last second for an unexpected draw or win. My brother once won a local league game because one Daemonette survived mass shooting and was still able to contest an objective, while his last two Plaguebearers held one objective.

If you can play to the end, you should. If you've been stomped by turn two, okay maybe you won't turn it around. I think the problem most people have with people who forfeit is their attitude. Sounds like a lot of stories people have the person is just throwing a hissy fit, and in some cases they do it all the time. If they had a better attitude about it they probably won't be held in the same low regard as those who just quit becaues things aren't going their way.

*edit: fixed a typo*

Timmah wrote:You know, in every other competitive game, it is perfectly legit to forfeit any game.

Why is it seen as so terrible in 40k?
If you know you are going to lose, whats the point of playing it out? So your opponent can gloat more?

The player left the game because on turn 3 I was able to get two wave serpents of guardians and a larger unit of jetbikes in position to fire upon his lord's unit. This was my very first shooting in the game. He wanted to call the game before even rolling to wound. Were I to let him have his way I would simply play 5 or so games where he spends two turns killing my units with range fire and forfeit when I was able to strike back. Why would I volunteer to play under that system? Why would anyone?

In tournaments that use ranking and prizes when you forfeit the other player receives something even if it is just placement – plus it might have a real adverse impact on your sportsmanship score. If two people are playing just for fun and one player decides he is going to quit the other player is not compensated in any manner. Why should I go through the trouble of transporting my army, setting them up, spending two turns moving while he gets to blast away at me, just to have him demand a do over on the third turn.

If I get a suitable prize every time he quit a game then I would play 6 or 7 half games against him and allow him to restart however many times he would like. But, given that I had made my expectancy for a complete game known before hand, I believe I was well in my rights to expect a full game. He wanted to end the game simply because through two turns of maneuvering I was able to be able to attack his HQ. Like I said this was the first time in the game my army fired against his as I spent the previous turns engaged in rapid movement while he shot up my forces.

As for the right to forfeit, what would happen to a sport team that left in the first quarter because the other team was a few points ahead? If any member of a competitive system stormed off at the first perceived setback there would be large repercussions against them. When a master chess player forfeits he is acknowledging that there is absolutely no chance for him to win, not that it would be difficult to win. If he did it because he simple lost a piece or found himself in a tough position he would have a very short career.

This was a problem with the player, he would quit a game when the mission was rolled if he felt was against him. He was instructed before hand that when playing in my group he was expected to complete the game unless the other player agreed to end it as well. His behavior was a whiny, passive-aggressive attempt to violate the agreement we held him to, something I did no let him get away with.

Worst case in recent memory.....

Playing in Team Doubles tourney. Playing with a Marine list that was hard and designed to win games - 4 LR's between the two of us on our coalition. Exchanged lists before the game with the other team. They obviously don't like our lists. Only one Melta gun present in their lists. Ask where it is and they show the squad containing it. So run Land Raiders away from it and towards other side of army. Another squad jumps out of a Rhino and has a Melta gun in it. We call them on it - they say it's a list error and obviously the model is modeled as a Melta. We cry foul and they get pissy and refuse to change it. We play on - they proceed to shake and eventually kill one LR with it - maybe two (memory fades with old age). We lost - they won. At then end they mark us down for sportsmanship (as we did them) - they also told the other half of their team to mark down the other half of our team. Sigh....sometimes it happens - probably not bad guys and they may have been honest with the list issue - but this is a major tournament - and it DID affect the outcome.

At this point - damage was done and I didn't want any more crap. My team mate was really hot about it though. Took it up with the judges. The model was removed from the rest of the tournament. In hindsight, we should have brought the TO's over during the game - maybe could have saved the win. Other than the MG's they had almost nothing that could hurt the LR's......


Otherwise - out of a....LOT....of tournaments, I would say 95% of my games have been positive and things I've met fun people to play at, seen some beautiful armies, made a few good friends along the way.

This was an old posting I made on the old Awkward Moments Thread. I am reposting it because i feel it demonstrates issues with sportsmanship.

Grunt13 wrote:THE GAMER THAT WOULD NOT LEAVE

This one is fairly dated 3rd edition city fight, the game was played at my house. This was our second or third consecutive game that night. He was a bit bi-polar, when he was losing he was very morose, bitter, and often threatened to walk out on games; when he was winning he was practically dancing. He was in a really bad mood due to losing a previous game, so I gave him a 350-point handicap on a 1500 game. I was playing dark eldar and he was chaos marines. This was supposed to be a quick game as it was getting late. But, it went really late due mostly to my opponent taking long movement and shooting phases.

When we rolled for missions it came up as Gauntlet, which was for those who remember the most broken mission at the time. The attacker had to set up in a small deployment zone and cross the board to an exit point on the other side of the table. The defender gets to create a killing field between the two points.

My army was raider heavy and had a webway gate. If I wanted to be a punk I could have just jetted over and drop the gate right next to the exit point. But, I felt I should play the game as in keeping with its design and not take an easy victory that would be salting my opponent’s wounded ego. So turn one I drop the gate 12” from my starting point an exited my ground troop with the raiders supporting the footsloggers. The game was a real challenge I crawled through buildings while getting gunned at from every angle. I sacrificed my raiders to block fire to my warriors and basically took abuse while making my way to the exit point. The game had a random turn length and it ended right when my entire army was 6 inches away from freedom. Because my army was moving together not a single one of my units made it to the exit point. So the mission read as a complete defeat for me, and a total victory for my opponent, despite the fact that I was inches away from an impressive victory. At the time the game ended it was getting close to 3 am.

This is where it gets a little trying. Instead of excusing himself, my now ecstatic opponent felt it would be more to his interest to go over his victory point by point, and I am too polite to say “Yeah… go home now”. So after about 30 minutes of his self graduations on his genius tactics (Please bare in mind it is late and I am tired), I could not help but point out it was only for but a single roll of a die that that prevented the outcome from being the reverse. Normally I would bite my tongue, but I allowed weariness to dull my social reservations. Anyway he didn’t like this and broke off in to a diatribe about me being a sore loser. He rather insisted we discuss this at length while I consider myself to be a low confrontational individual. I managed to steer the conversation to an adequate conclusion and he left allowing me to crawl into bed.

Grunt13 wrote:This was an old posting I made on the old Awkward Moments Thread. I am reposting it because i feel it demonstrates issues with sportsmanship.

Grunt13 wrote:THE GAMER THAT WOULD NOT LEAVE

This one is fairly dated 3rd edition city fight, the game was played at my house. This was our second or third consecutive game that night. He was a bit bi-polar, when he was losing he was very morose, bitter, and often threatened to walk out on games; when he was winning he was practically dancing. He was in a really bad mood due to losing a previous game, so I gave him a 350-point handicap on a 1500 game. I was playing dark eldar and he was chaos marines. This was supposed to be a quick game as it was getting late. But, it went really late due mostly to my opponent taking long movement and shooting phases.

When we rolled for missions it came up as Gauntlet, which was for those who remember the most broken mission at the time. The attacker had to set up in a small deployment zone and cross the board to an exit point on the other side of the table. The defender gets to create a killing field between the two points.

My army was raider heavy and had a webway gate. If I wanted to be a punk I could have just jetted over and drop the gate right next to the exit point. But, I felt I should play the game as in keeping with its design and not take an easy victory that would be salting my opponent’s wounded ego. So turn one I drop the gate 12” from my starting point an exited my ground troop with the raiders supporting the footsloggers. The game was a real challenge I crawled through buildings while getting gunned at from every angle. I sacrificed my raiders to block fire to my warriors and basically took abuse while making my way to the exit point. The game had a random turn length and it ended right when my entire army was 6 inches away from freedom. Because my army was moving together not a single one of my units made it to the exit point. So the mission read as a complete defeat for me, and a total victory for my opponent, despite the fact that I was inches away from an impressive victory. At the time the game ended it was getting close to 3 am.

This is where it gets a little trying. Instead of excusing himself, my now ecstatic opponent felt it would be more to his interest to go over his victory point by point, and I am too polite to say “Yeah… go home now”. So after about 30 minutes of his self graduations on his genius tactics (Please bare in mind it is late and I am tired), I could not help but point out it was only for but a single roll of a die that that prevented the outcome from being the reverse. Normally I would bite my tongue, but I allowed weariness to dull my social reservations. Anyway he didn’t like this and broke off in to a diatribe about me being a sore loser. He rather insisted we discuss this at length while I consider myself to be a low confrontational individual. I managed to steer the conversation to an adequate conclusion and he left allowing me to crawl into bed.

Ahhhh, I miss that thread.

Anywho, I find it truly sad that people get so morose when losing. (Not you, of course!)

@ sinister Brain I have never heard of anyone throwing a chimera at anyone else. Although I did hear of a fist fight at a GT that I did not attend. I understand people get angry sometimes and/or frustrated. That is just not exusable for ANY reason under any circumstances. I have been upset before but I would never do that. That could have/should have been arrested.

I remeber my other bad game:

I dont feel like going into much detail, as I am still simmering after over a year, but the person I Played against had the most whingy, annoying voice, and had a very bad attitude and dodgy moving. When he started losing he became noticeably sulky. At one point, I did not shoot my throwing weapons, as I measured them to be out of range (LotR), and then the next turn he moved his models in and charged me. After a lengthy arguement, I eventually gave up, as he was such a nob. Playing wood elves, you die pretty easily if you dont use all the upgrades you have, and that quite possibly cost me a place at GT. Not very happy

Timmah wrote:You know, in every other competitive game, it is perfectly legit to forfeit any game.

Why is it seen as so terrible in 40k?
If you know you are going to lose, whats the point of playing it out? So your opponent can gloat more?

To a point, I have to agree with this.

While one person might have fun rolling a lot of dice to evaporate his opponent's units off the board well after his opponent has a viable chance to effectively participate in the game, the person entering the wonderful exercise of repacking their minis during mid-game isn't have so much fun.

The game is supposed to be fun for both people, right?

Since I got back in the game back in 2002 or so, I can count the number of games I have forfeited on one hand, but I have never demanded that an opponent who wished to forfeit continue playing beyond the point where they were having fun.

To me, pressuring someone into continuing to play when they're just not having any fun is just as bad as a person throwing a temper tantrum and quitting after turn one.

I very rarely forfeit games, and only when its in turn 5 or later. I knew a guard player who frequently quit and gave up after turn 3, when your units were in combat. It was unfair as he basically got to do everything the first two turns, and then wouldnt play when it was your turn.

Theres one kid at my LGS who is shaky on rules. I try to rapid fire my tac squad at his tyrant, he is outside 12 inches by a fair amount. So i shoot normally. He then moves his tyrant, im not paying too much attention. Declares charge in the assault phase and happens to be in range. I argued it, explaining the only way thats possible is if he moved over 6 in the movement phase.

Saldiven wrote:

Timmah wrote:You know, in every other competitive game, it is perfectly legit to forfeit any game.

Why is it seen as so terrible in 40k?
If you know you are going to lose, whats the point of playing it out? So your opponent can gloat more?

To a point, I have to agree with this.

While one person might have fun rolling a lot of dice to evaporate his opponent's units off the board well after his opponent has a viable chance to effectively participate in the game, the person entering the wonderful exercise of repacking their minis during mid-game isn't have so much fun.

The game is supposed to be fun for both people, right?

Since I got back in the game back in 2002 or so, I can count the number of games I have forfeited on one hand, but I have never demanded that an opponent who wished to forfeit continue playing beyond the point where they were having fun.

To me, pressuring someone into continuing to play when they're just not having any fun is just as bad as a person throwing a temper tantrum and quitting after turn one.

While I agree that the largest component of a game is that both players are enjoying themselves; I felt it was important to hold my opponent to the expectations that my group placed on him. What do you do when the other player goes from “Oh this is great I’m blowing you up yeah!!” to “Wait, you just shot at me! Do Over Do Over! Clear the table New Game!”. The argument could be made that it was my fault for playing against the player who behaved in his manner – but I felt that despite we were of the same age group I could encourage him to improve his gamer etiquette, plus how do you just outright exclude someone from your group?

Walking out of a game on the drop of a hat is rather unacceptable by most people's standards. I felt obligated to hold my opponent to the game for ethical reason as much as my desire to play out the game I had invested my time and energy into. If he couldn’t enjoy or find stimulating a game that the tides have turned against him than that was on him. As for a moral equilvance between my forcing him to continue and him storming off, there was an expectancy set before hand for him to play out his games – he was not losing, he was just getting shot at; something he had spent two turns doing to me. I held him to his obligation, something I felt was important to cease his behavior – which was conducted at the suffrage of my entire gaming group.

Where I come from if a child in kindergarten stormed off from a candyland game with another kid, they would receive a lecture on sportsmanship from the teacher and be expected to apologize to the other student. I really don’t recall situations where racers just quit and walked off the track because someone is ahead of them. I played sports while in high school and I can barely imagine a team quitting the field. The score could be 72 to 0 and there could be ten minutes left in the 4th quarter and the losing team would still play out the game or “finish strong”. Now this could be a social thing or maybe a geographic thing, but most people that I know would consider someone who storm out of games to be the definition of a poor sportsman.

I felt the behavior of my opponent was just reprehensible. I feel the need to point out yet again that this was the first time any of my units attacked one of his, it was on the start of the third turn, he had just spent two turns blasting away at my army, and he was told by the people in my group that he was expected to finish his games before hand (something I thought went without saying). He was told that both players had to agree to end a game – he took that to mean that he was free to whine and sulk to force a player to concede. I feel that I was entirely justified in my handling of the situation. If I let a person get away with that sort of behavior I would share the blame when he continued perpetuated it.

We have a player who will often quit if he gets a bad start, the current record holder got him to quit in the second turn...that's gonna be a tough one to beat.

Though we were talking about setting a game up, getting ready to play, but before any dice were rolled on your turn, to forfeit...just so he'd know what it's like for us.

RxGhost wrote:We have a player who will often quit if he gets a bad start, the current record holder got him to quit in the second turn...that's gonna be a tough one to beat.

Though we were talking about setting a game up, getting ready to play, but before any dice were rolled on your turn, to forfeit...just so he'd know what it's like for us.

My guy once quit before deployment, he didn’t like the mission rolled and the table edge pick. Try confronting him first with the clear expectation of game completion first - it would likely save you the hassle.

But if you try it your way I would recommend playing out the game a little, but screwing up and allowing him to get into a powerful exploitive position before ending the game. That way he would understand what it felt like to have the game be suddenly terminate before a climatic gesture on his part. Get a camera and snap a picture of his expression right at the moment you forfeit the game. Print out the picture and show it to him whenever he implies that he wishes to prematurely end of the game.

Worst sportsmanship example I can think of in recent memory.

Playing a 2 v 1 game vs my friends witchunters. I have written a special scenarion just for fun and so that he got to try out some of his anti-psyker stuff for once I stipulated that every player must include a psyker.

He absolutely trashes me and my friend for about three turns and we've done almost nothing in response. Every gambit and move has been met with crushing failure.

On about turn 4 he's engaged with a few assault units and rolling dice and realise that he forgot to fire and charge his seraphim on the right flank. I had noticed this and was quite pleased with the development as I hadn't really managed to do anything to him yet and I was hoping to wipe them out next turn with a charge from my boyz.

He realises he forgot to charge them and asks if he can. Now ordinarily I'd say fine go ahead since this was a friendly game but I was so desperate to claw something back that I said no, rules state you declare and move all chargers before you start rolling attacks. Not my finest sporting moment I'l concede.

Now this friend was usually a nice guy but he had genuine anger management issues. One of the things he did rather than scream and yell when he was pissed was to hit something solid really hard until his knuckles bled. He used to do this a lot during bloodbowl when his team would fumble or one of his guys was injured.

So he goes to start pounding his fist against my wall until he calms down and immediately punches a hole in my wall!

The tension in the room after the wall split was unbearable. I was pissed, he was suddenly terrified and really apologetic and my team mate was standing off to one side clearly thinking "oh somethings about to happen."

Fortunately we got a hold on it soon enough and played out the rest of the game. It ended up being a lot closer as my team mate and I pulled it around in the last few turns but my friend still won handily in the end.

Now of course we can laugh about it.

I would throw somebody out of my house if they punched a hole in my wall over 40k. I get really angry too, and have put my fair share of holes in walls/broken stuff. I once threw a phone so hard into the ground it bounced a good 50 feet. But thats over serious stuff. Flipping out that much over 40k, that you put a hole in someones wall, is way too much.

Grunt13 wrote:
I felt the behavior of my opponent was just reprehensible. I feel the need to point out yet again that this was the first time any of my units attacked one of his, it was on the start of the third turn, he had just spent two turns blasting away at my army, and he was told by the people in my group that he was expected to finish his games before hand (something I thought went without saying). He was told that both players had to agree to end a game – he took that to mean that he was free to whine and sulk to force a player to concede. I feel that I was entirely justified in my handling of the situation. If I let a person get away with that sort of behavior I would share the blame when he continued perpetuated it.

I think "reprehensible" is an almost comically overstated term for this situation. It's not like he's cooking up meth in his basement or invading Poland. He's excercising his right, as a player, to forfeit a game. Letting people forfeit only when they're completely and utterly defeated serves no purpose other than to breed resentment in the victim. You're forcing him to do something he doesn't want to do. The fact of his not wanting to play games to the turn limit may be a problem, but it cannot be solved by such strongarm tactics.

In the overwhelming majority of cases, players who forfeit do so for perfectly sound reasons, even if they might not be apparent to their opponents. I've seen (and indeed have done) forfeits on the first turn of an MTG game, following a gross mis-play or outrageous luck of the draw. In such circumstances, the opponent has no right to gainsay that decision. The player playing the deck, or the 40k army, or what-have-you, knows what they need to win, and knows when those conditions are no longer likely to occur.

You don't have to like it. All you're required to do is sit there, take the victory, and cope. Even shaking their hand is optional. You're under no obligation to play them again, either. But what you don't get to do is tell them how to play their army.

Agamemnon2 wrote:

Grunt13 wrote:
I felt the behavior of my opponent was just reprehensible. I feel the need to point out yet again that this was the first time any of my units attacked one of his, it was on the start of the third turn, he had just spent two turns blasting away at my army, and he was told by the people in my group that he was expected to finish his games before hand (something I thought went without saying). He was told that both players had to agree to end a game – he took that to mean that he was free to whine and sulk to force a player to concede. I feel that I was entirely justified in my handling of the situation. If I let a person get away with that sort of behavior I would share the blame when he continued perpetuated it.

I think "reprehensible" is an almost comically overstated term for this situation. It's not like he's cooking up meth in his basement or invading Poland. He's excercising his right, as a player, to forfeit a game. Letting people forfeit only when they're completely and utterly defeated serves no purpose other than to breed resentment in the victim. You're forcing him to do something he doesn't want to do. The fact of his not wanting to play games to the turn limit may be a problem, but it cannot be solved by such strongarm tactics.

In the overwhelming majority of cases, players who forfeit do so for perfectly sound reasons, even if they might not be apparent to their opponents. I've seen (and indeed have done) forfeits on the first turn of an MTG game, following a gross mis-play or outrageous luck of the draw. In such circumstances, the opponent has no right to gainsay that decision. The player playing the deck, or the 40k army, or what-have-you, knows what they need to win, and knows when those conditions are no longer likely to occur.

You don't have to like it. All you're required to do is sit there, take the victory, and cope. Even shaking their hand is optional. You're under no obligation to play them again, either. But what you don't get to do is tell them how to play their army.

rep·re·hen·si·ble (rpr-hns-bl)
adj. Deserving rebuke or censure; blameworthy
from: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/reprehensible

Reprehensible rather covers the situation in my opinion, the word accurately portrayed the level of frustration I felt at his conduct, plus his violation the establish conduct of my gaming circle and social etiquette. If I was an outsider walking up to the game and saw a friend or close associate behaving the way my opponent was, I would try to take them aside and confront their behavior – thus rebuking them. Whether you agree with my group’s decision or not, it was a rule my group made.

My opponent didn’t wish to stop gaming, just stop playing the game that I currently invested nearly 2 hours into (He was a notoriously slow). If he said he didn’t want to play any more and wished to leave, take an extended break, or perform another activity; that would be different – I might have been a little peeved at ending the game at that point, but I would understand and accommodate. He wanted a do-over, for me to clear the table and start a new game with him. When denied he began the behavior that was the focus of my criticism.

Looking back at my posts I see that I didn’t make it clear that it was my unwillingness to start a new game that elicited his behavior. So I apologized for not making that clear before. He always had the option to simply leave or stop playing, I didn’t kidnap him and hold him hostage at gun point. I merely denied his request to have a do-over and told him if he wished to continue playing with me he had to complete the game. After that game I was too burned out to even think about having another with him.

He continued to play but in a manner designed to irritate and force a concession from me – I intended not to allow such tactics to undermined my stand. It was like watching an adult try to get his way by holding his breathe. He could stop playing me, or he could finish the game, that was up to him. I simply refused to cater to insistence of starting another game.

Timmah wrote:You know, in every other competitive game, it is perfectly legit to forfeit any game.

Why is it seen as so terrible in 40k?
If you know you are going to lose, whats the point of playing it out? So your opponent can gloat more?

I agree with Timmah. If you want to forfeit, you should be able to. I would consider it rude to refuse to allow an opponent to forfeit. If they are not having fun there should no nothing keeping them in the game.

I caught some heavy flack once for forfeiting in a team tourney game on turn 4. My team mate had been wiped out, and all I had left were two tac marines and a unit of terminators (who were only still alive because I had failed every reserve roll thus far). There was no way the tacs would survive the game, and my choice with the terminators was either drop them in the middle of two players worth of chaos and die futilely , or drop them in the cornor of the board and play keep away until the game ended and deny them one final KP.

Since my choices were limited to 'they get all the kill points,' or 'they get all the kill points save one if I act like a dick,' I went with the former and saved some time by forfeiting.