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Bookwrack wrote:I caught some heavy flack once for forfeiting in a team tourney game on turn 4. My team mate had been wiped out, and all I had left were two tac marines and a unit of terminators (who were only still alive because I had failed every reserve roll thus far). There was no way the tacs would survive the game, and my choice with the terminators was either drop them in the middle of two players worth of chaos and die futilely , or drop them in the cornor of the board and play keep away until the game ended and deny them one final KP.

Since my choices were limited to 'they get all the kill points,' or 'they get all the kill points save one if I act like a dick,' I went with the former and saved some time by forfeiting.

This brings up a thing to consider about Tourneys: If the scenario does NOT offer full battlepoints if your opponent forfeits, then they should have to play it out to the bitter end. In friendly games, I'm all for forfeiting when it's obvious it's only going to drag out an already decided game. My only stipulation is to play out the full game turn so both players get to play the same amount. If my opponent forfeits at the first minor setback, that's still his right to do so and I have no right to make him keep playing. On the other side of that coin, it's my right to evaluate whether playing him ever again is worth the risk of spending more time setting up than playing the game before he forfeits.

I don't think you should ever be able to get battle points that were off the table at the time of the forfeit; i.e., if you get a battle point for having all of your Fast Attack survive and yours are all dead by the time your opponent surrenders, you can't get a battle point for that.

Orkeosaurus wrote:I don't think you should ever be able to get battle points that were off the table at the time of the forfeit; i.e., if you get a battle point for having all of your Fast Attack survive and yours are all dead by the time your opponent surrenders, you can't get a battle point for that.

Right, but stuff like "Control all the objectives" when you currently only control all but one, or "Destroy all your opponent's vehicles" when he has 1 or two left, etc. Stuff that you can feasibly get if you finish out the game, but you currently don't have. Your opponent forfeiting shouldn't prevent you from getting battlepoints.

Oh, yeah, I agree with you there.

“Strongarmed” “forcing” “tell them how to play their army” “rude” “just as bad” ..…. REALLY?

The player was told to finish the game with me or find someone else to play with. That was the only leverage I had over him. If he wanted to continue to play against me he had to finish the games or at least play them out to a satisfactory point and not end them in his accustomed manner. He had the same amount of control in the situation I did – he could either decide to play against me or not. He couldn’t have his cake and eat it too. If he chose to abandon games in such fashion then he had to find someone else to play with, it was that simple.

As players we all have the right to decide whom we game with. That goes with the right to make conditions for our involvement. Most people have probably made such conditions or they accept that they go without saying (clothing is mandatory), this was mine and the player knew it. In the past I have told players that if they want to play with me they couldn’t chew tobacco during the game – I can stomach a lot of things, but being in proximity of someone chewing always nauseated me. If someone who had the habit asked me to game and I agreed on the condition that he didn’t chew during the game – wouldn’t it be reasonable to expect that agreement to hold? What if halfway into the game he plopped a big piece of shoal into his mouth and began spitting into an open cup? If I told him to knock it off or find another person to game would that be unreasonable? How is this any different what happened with me? Some people are fine with chewing just as some people are fine with someone ending the game on after two turns on a whim – I’m not so that’s why I made sure my opponents knew before hand I had conditions. As for being ‘rude’ and “strong-arming” my opponent ……. Really?

I have no issue with ending games prematurely, if it is reasonable to do so – my issues was how and why the player chose to end his games. When playing against tyranids with my zombie LatD by the end of the 4th turn all that was left were two TMC each with a cheering section of 20 zombies (zombies had little chance of killing the TMCs). I looked over to my opponent and said, “Do you want to do this out, or should we call the game a draw now?” I have had no problem with thoroughly crushed or poorly situated opponents forfeiting – I have even gently suggested it in some games “ I am willing to discuss the terms of your surrender now”. But, what the player did was violate an agreement by having a hissy-fit when one thing did not go his way and then expected me to start a new game with him.

Quitting when one thing doesnt go your way is terrible sportsmanship. What if we both deployed, you stole the initiative, and immobilized my land raider. I then declare a forfeit, is this fair?

The worst I have seen was a guy that spent the whole game just complaining. His army was just totally built wrong to face my IG mech list. The game ended in a tie but he just spent the WHOLE GAME every waking second complaining about me not letting him attack me or me not doing this and me not going at him so he can charge. Was slowed.

I have a few myself lol none are in tournies but in casual play I have been known to take models and dice (Guardsmen mostly) and peg them on the wall. Luckily I'm good with the staff having worked at the store haha. But I am known for having my off sayz where the individual dice/ model just deserves it haha.

Generally, if I have time, I'll continue playing even if getting my ass kicked, but generally, when I'm losing, I'll try to cause as much damage as I can. Or at least take out an important tank/character/big thing.
If its two o'clock in the morning, and the game is pretty much decided, I'm going to pack up and leave.

When versing my friend at our FLGS before EVERY roll I make he Shouts "FAIL!". Surprisingly, this works. (mostly) It's really quite funny becuase it only works when he says it (mostly) but it is still KINDA annoying. (also he has a sus sense of humour)

If you are versing an opponent, only quit if you are REALLY getting nailed, the game is obviously lost, and you want to save time to get another game in with someone else. The main condition of course, would be that you concede that the match belongs utterly to your opponent.

Good sportsmanship example:

When playing my dark eldar against tyranids, one of my squads of warriors was sneaking through the woods and had the misfortune of getting a direct hit with a biovore frag mine. The mine wounded everyone it touched and took out my entire squad save 3 guys. I lost my leader and specialists so the unit was pretty much out of the game. It was only during my movement phase did I realize that I forgot to attempt cover saves for my warriors and cursed my stupidity.

Well the tyranid player offered to let me take my armor saves and put back the surviving models. I really appreciated the offer, but declined realizing that the player completed his shooting and assault turns with the impression that the unit had been destroyed and it would be unfair to him to return the unit to the game. My game before him was against a win at any cost kind of guy who once demanded I end my movement phase because I placed a flamer template by my haemonculus after moving him, I picked up the template and put by him so I could find it in the shooting phase – 80% of a movement phase thrown out due to my compulsive need for organization. Well the tyranid player’s gesture restored my faith in fair competition when it was at a low point.

Emperors Faithful wrote: concede that the match belongs utterly to your opponent.

I hate that. When someone concedes because you are kicking their ass, and they then turn around and argue that they could have still won it. That it was just up in the air, but they were bored or whatever.

I played with a guy who plays Blood Angels and got upset (read annoyed ranting and swearing) firstly over terrain at the start of the game he'd insisted that all the terrain was not of the area variety (so he could use all his jump troops without fear of losses) then changed his mind on my turn 1 when I dropped an orbital barrage on his honour guard killing all 9 of them(but leaving mephiston unharmed) leading to a 15 min argument over cover saves granted by ceilings, grass etc. Second argument was when I dared to move backward instead of forward into his all melee killer units of doom. Tried to claim it was unfluffy and there was no point in goin on as it was just gonna be a stand off (he didn't want to move his squads out of cover). All this arguing got worse later when mephiston met sternguard and 5 combi-plas rapid fired him to death. Now not to paint him too badly he is getting better slowly.

I was playing in a store battle years ago- Tyranids vs Space Marines (I was on the Tyranid side).

One guy brought some Blood Angels along. Most of them were fine, until he pulled out Commander Dante. Now:
- Special characters were not permitted in the battle, and he complained about that.
- Dante wasn't even painted. The staff member in GW who was overseeing the battle told him to put Dante away.

All good so far, until the 2nd turn. Blood Angels player in the previous turn had embarked a Tactical Squad into a Rhino. In the 2nd turn he drives towards my 'Nids, and disembarks from the front of the Rhino, before trying to shoot my Nids with other units. As he went to try, the staff member walked over and said "Rhinos can only be boarded from the back or sides; redeploy that unit properly". The Blood Angels player argued about it for a couple of minutes, which was annoying the other players (we wanted to get on with the game).

What happened next was hilarious. The staff member leans over the board, picks up the BA player's Tactical Squad and removes them from the battlefield, along with the Rhino. When the BA player asked what was going on, the staff member responded with "oh, random explosion, it killed the entire squad".

The look on the BA player's face was hilarious

Neith wrote:...What happened next was hilarious. The staff member leans over the board, picks up the BA player's Tactical Squad and removes them from the battlefield, along with the Rhino. When the BA player asked what was going on, the staff member responded with "oh, random explosion, it killed the entire squad".

The look on the BA player's face was hilarious

I know I always find it funny when the store staff grabs my models and takes them off the table. That's comedy gold there!

I have 2 regular opponents and between the three of us i think the ork player is the overall best sport..

He's gotten very annoyed once, and with due reason too..

First his mob of boys gets blasted to bits by noisemarine fire and the fails ld and mob rule, then his shock attak gun zaps itself into cc with a defiler, then i lash his second boyz mob into dangerous terrain killing enough to panic them.

Id be a bit red in the face after that too..



The worst player...

I lost it once when my 8man squad of zerkers joined by lucius charged a squad of banshees (not too bright i know) and they fluffed mostly everything that could be fluffed and got shredded..

Tossed a zerker in the deadpile a bit too hard so he bounced onto the floor breaking a shoulderpad and his backpack, i felt Reeeaally bad and apologised for being a git.

Haven't used the zerkers since then though. (they always die horribly, or survive killing nothing)


The other worst player would have to be the third player, plays an assorted bunch of armies, none completed and always wants to give up by turn 4 if he's losing.
If i'd have to label him he would be the archetypical "quitter"... going "whats the point of even rolling the dice, X squad's gonna die" a bit too often.

I have to coerce him into finishing games by giving him hints on how to beat me.



All in all though, we're good friends and respect eachother, and most importantly have Fun gaming

Timmah wrote:You know, in every other competitive game, it is perfectly legit to forfeit any game.

Why is it seen as so terrible in 40k?
If you know you are going to lose, whats the point of playing it out? So your opponent can gloat more?

I prefer to call it conceding, you are being out played out matched and you can't see a way of winning then so be it.

If I concede - there is most defiantly a very sportsman like hand shake and thank you for a good game, I am new and
I know I am beaten, I will play and try stuff - but when your green tide has turned into a yellow trickle - you will tend to learn more
from a hearty handshake and good talk

Emperors Faithful wrote:When versing my friend at our FLGS before EVERY roll I make he Shouts "FAIL!". Surprisingly, this works. (mostly) It's really quite funny becuase it only works when he says it (mostly) but it is still KINDA annoying. (also he has a sus sense of humour)

Do it to him every time he rolls then. Make a game out of it, see who can shout louder without getting kicked out of the store.

We're really just a bunch of mates who meet every weekend outside the Leisure Centre. Food beverages are available for the little 'uns but I don't know if it really counts as a 'FLGS'.

Anyway, I've tried and it doesn't really work.
It is funny. The best time was when we all organized an Apoc match and the enemy rushed us from across the board. This turn of shooting was going to be crucial. They use the Dark Eldar power of Night Fight (Where you only roll 2D6 X2 for spotting distance. I had to roll for our whole sides spotting distance. He was on my side, but that never stops him. I could tell he was going to anyway.

Me: "Don't."
Him: "...what?" (smiling his head off)
Me: "Just Don't."
Him: "Okay. Whatever you do, don't (I roll the dice here) FAIL!"

Double ones. Snakeyes. Jack all.

A huge moan rose from our side. Each of my four team-mates then proceeded to mock-beat-me-up. They still don't let me live it down.

We won the match in the end, BTW

Which still makes no sense, why not "mock" beat the gak out of the failure screaming FAIL all the time, lmao...

Becuase I think it's funny.
(If sometimes annoying)
Besides, at least he's fair. He does it occasionally for himself as well lol.

nivekdaork wrote:I prefer to call it conceding, you are being out played out matched and you can't see a way of winning then so be it.

Exactly, there's nothing wrong witch conceding a game - though there is a difference between conceding (admitting that your opponent is the better general this time around) and calling it off in a huff.

I will (and have) concede games where the outcome is very obvious, and when there is a time constraint on the game (there are people waiting for the table, you're getting close to a tournament's time limit etc.). The opponent shouldn't feel robbed - it's a compliment on his skill after all. The difference is in how the conceding player acts. If they subsequently start whining about luck or broken army lists, then it's just them being an arse.

Though when I game with friends, playing to the bitter end is expected, or until we're all too hungry to finish

On topic: The worst sportsmanship I ever encountered was at a club rep tournament several years ago, and unfortunately the guy was on our team. I don't remember the exact list he took, but I do remember it apparently only just scraped past approval - I'm told that, along with general asshattery and gloating behaviour meant he was officially dis-invited by the host club from attending any further events. Needless to say we bombed out on sportsmanship because of him and wound up coming fourth - I suspect we would have placed otherwise.

+1

I hate players who storm off in a huff after a lucky turn on my part or an unlucky one on thers, once had a squad of guardsmen hit with 10 lasguns and wound with all 10 only to see 10 on their armor save rolls. The kid packed up his models and walked out of the store, saw him the next week buying a guard army.

During a WHFB campaign I once was paired up with a new kid... it was one of his first couple of games, and my 1750 Skaven list next to his 1250 Skaven list full of bloated characters was never going to run well against a 1500/1500 tag-team of High Elves and Wood Elves.

I took to the High Elves' flank and didn't do too well. My mages fried themselves, my war machines blew up and my tunnelling team got lost and never arrived. My teammate did surprisingly well, slaughtering a Wood Elf cavalry charge with basic clanrats, bowling through a unit of Swordmasters (or whatever those great weapon guys are), and was in a good position to counterattack...

Then his mum arrived to take him home.

At a good 1000 point handicap I played that game down to the last miserable clanrat. I've never forfeited a game and take great pleasure in doing damage with what I've got, making glorious doomed charges and denying a massacre if at all possible.

I've personally never had an opponent forfeit either, but wouldn't hold it against him if he did. I feel bad for opponents that lose to deployment or bad luck and can't have fun with a hopeless situation like I can. Some people are just like that, whether they're only in it to win or not.

Much respect to the bloke with the SM list I trounced last Sunday. In the last couple of turns I was trying to tell him how he could force a draw in the dual-objective game despite his only having a Land Raider and a mean Vanguard unit left on the table (which I'd been afriad to get near all game, despite having a very close-combat capable army). He refused to take my advice and played/enjoyed the game the way he wanted to. I'd have been more satisfied personally if he'd taken my advice and/or actually charged with his Vanguard... but his army is his game.

My instance of bad sportsmanship.

I was playing my Eldar against this 14 year old's super hyped-up upgraded Tyrannids, which ended up with Maugan-Ra decapitating his Carnifex, at which point he screams, throws a tantrum and has to be contolled by one of the adults who gave him a pen and paper, to "take his anger out on". Eventually he calmed down and continued playing. After a couple of turns, and his Genestealers got wiped out by my team-mate's heavy flamers: we went home before he could have another tantrum.

(If muppet slayer is reading this, you know who I'm talking about)

I threw a model (ravener) at one point in a tourney. I finished the game though. I sold the army 2 days later.

Valkyrie wrote:My instance of bad sportsmanship.

I was playing my Eldar against this 14 year old's super hyped-up upgraded Tyrannids, which ended up with Maugan-Ra decapitating his Carnifex, at which point he screams, throws a tantrum and has to be contolled by one of the adults who gave him a pen and paper, to "take his anger out on". Eventually he calmed down and continued playing. After a couple of turns, and his Genestealers got wiped out by my team-mate's heavy flamers: we went home before he could have another tantrum.

(If muppet slayer is reading this, you know who I'm talking about)

I think I know who you are referring to as well.

Lord Bingo wrote:

Valkyrie wrote:My instance of bad sportsmanship.

I was playing my Eldar against this 14 year old's super hyped-up upgraded Tyrannids, which ended up with Maugan-Ra decapitating his Carnifex, at which point he screams, throws a tantrum and has to be contolled by one of the adults who gave him a pen and paper, to "take his anger out on". Eventually he calmed down and continued playing. After a couple of turns, and his Genestealers got wiped out by my team-mate's heavy flamers: we went home before he could have another tantrum.

(If muppet slayer is reading this, you know who I'm talking about)

I think I know who you are referring to as well.

lol yeah that was so funny

Timmah wrote:But I can't turboboost Landspeeders that far...

really cause i dont think i can fire my hammerheads railgun that far!

(simply to put an end to it)

I can't fire my living lightning that far!

I played this ridiculously pretentious player once who thought that he was the gak because he played Battletech.

Anyway, I and some other people were Orks (I was borrowing a store army as I didn't have my own) against a store owned Chaos army, who the really pretentious player was on.

The whole time he's screaming f-bombs near this 7 year old kids which to me was just stupid. I wanted to tell him to stop but the less time I played against him the better.

It ended with a Nob killing his entire Terminator squad, he got super ticked which was funny.

I ended up losing; had it not been for my teammates we would have won and I would've loved to see the look on the tool's face.