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Worst Sportsmanship I've experienced was before a game even started. "Skinny" (as I have referred to in the past, present, and future threads), started arguing with me, before the game even started, about the size of table to play on. We were playing a 2000pt game of Fantasy on a 6x4 table and he was griping about not playing on an 8x4 table. We had not other tables available, but we ending up playing anyways. He conceeded after turn 4 anyways.

Worst I've seen from a distance: A guy picks up somebodies mini (who must have killed something of his), points at it and says some gibberish. The look on his face was classic.

He's not allowed to play in tourneys anymore.

A player, who i play frequently who I constatnly remind him of rules and stages, as well as giving him help on blast templates and tactics ideas that would probably kill men, who screamed and shouted because he started his shooting fase without moveing, and he rolled dice to hit and wound.

Also, maybe not as violent, but when i mentioned him measuring from the front of his base then moving them to the back of the base (an extra 2-3 inch moving models) He made sure that he did it exactly emphasising it so much it was rediculous.

And stating how he never wants to play against guard because they're overpowered, which can be fair, he just needs to understand theg ame more .

niceas wrote:... He flipped, and threw the dragon AT me (he missed). Needless to say he's been banned from that store, as well as the other store I play at.

For the love... I would be curious as to the facial expression of my local red-shirts should this happen in store. I can also imagine them getting worked up about having to call their Regional Mgr to explain why the police were handcuffing someone out front next to the big Space Marine!


We did have an incident there one time, though not with a gamer. This possibly emotionally disturbed, dirt encrusted individual came in while I was at the paint bar. He was having car troubles and wanted to talk to another hobbyist he had seen come in that had the same type of old Bronco (OJ Edition).
He was just talking to the other hobbyist, and getting louder, and using certain racial and sexist epithets.
A majority of the other gamers were as far to the back of the store as they could be (even though their game was in the front row of tables!).
Another had posted himself between this guy (who was becoming increasingly agitated) and a small child who was in with his siblings (Sheep Dog).
Manager was eventually able to talk the guy out of the store, as he prepared to light a half smoked cig he kept in his pocket.
Closest we had come to calling the cops - until some kids 'flying kicked' the Space Marine out front, and damaged it.

I love that store!

KingCracker wrote:Thats EXACTLY what I was wondering. 6000pt game with 13 dreds is totally doable. what was the other sides armies?

I think the issue was the teams might have been stacked to allow the veteran players to roflstomp a bunch of new guys. I wasn't there, though, so I'm basically talking out of my rear.

All-in-all, I've really only had good experiences with people. Even at 'Ard Boyz Prelims and Semis, everyone was really awesome and played fun, clean games.

Edit: I have played a few players with stretchy tape measures before, but that's nothing that keeping track of distances won't fix. (aka "You were 14" away from my Vindicator last turn when it shot at you, so I'm not really sure how you managed to reach it in base-to-base.") However, I'd even chalk most of those up to paralax error when measuring and whatnot.

oh... the one thing I HATE MORE THAN ANYTHING is when someone measures the distance with a tape measure, THEN PICKS IT UP and moves his piece by eye after that. Of course he ends up fudging his move by a good inch or so.

I've heard the dick on the table story several times but it was at a Gamesday in Chicago


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This was many years ago but my cousin was playing at the FLGS against a guy he really did not get along with and they had a argument over blast markers this was in second edition. Anyway things escalated to the point where and I do not know how my cousin grabbed the guy and monkey flipped him and then did a kip up it was like watching a fight from star trek.


Seriusly he monkey flipped him.

My worst 40K story is from 10 years ago:

I was very new to the game, and still learning the rules. Every Saturday for a month, it was just me two friends playing casual games. Then I got a box of ork boys a birthday present. They were my very first minis. I hadn't painted them yet, but I was really anxious to play with them. The three of us decided to go down to the fairgrounds a play with the local playgroup. I was asking some of the players if they wanted to play a quick, casual skirmish game that was just a unit of da boyz against a unit of their choice. I was trying to test myself on the rules with out my friend holding my hand and saying, "OK, now roll this, then this...etc."

One douche looked at my unpainted boys and said, "Get those unpainted abominations the feth out of my presence." A simple "no" would have sufficed. Another guy ignored the paint and asked where the rest of my army was. I told him that was all I had until I got paid from my paper route. He lol'ed and told my at that pace I should have an army in, oh, 10 years. He followed that up with, "If you can't afford this hobby I don't know why the feth you are here little boy."

I not only never went back, I never played again. Seriously, I just got back into 40K a month ago, and most of my minis are still in the mail. (I love ebay!)
Before you ask me why I took it so hard, I was a poor, sheltered 15 year old who just got shitted on by people I mistakenly looked up to. If that happened now I wouldn't have reacted that way. I think I would have monkey flipped the douche...

My army will be put together shortly and I have been reading the rule book and my codex while I wait for the mail, so I will be ready to play with the guys at work as soon as possible, and know what the feth I am doing this time.

The irony of the story: It really did take me 10 years to put together my army! LOL
The moral of the story: Don't dismiss noobs simply because they are noobs. Be nice to them unless they are being a total gak! I don't mind if they get punched in the ass and kicked in the face, as long as they deserve it!!

Polonius wrote:I game with the Hellfire guys in Pittsburgh, and they do a yearly tournament series, and the four tourney winners, plus the top four players by points, get to attend a tournament of champions. The format is simple: 1st seed gets to pick his first round opponent (except for 2nd place), then 2nd, then 3rd, and the last three face each other in the first round. standard single elimination after that.

When I found out that the sole mission was going to be victory points with 12" deployment, nothing fancy, I brought IG (old codex) with lots of boys and three LRBTS. It was a cheesy move, but I'm playing the mission.

Anyway, I beat my first opponent soundly, squeeze out the closest game of my life against a necron destroyer horde, and now I'm facing Marines for first place. At first, I can't understand how he won so convincingly in the first two rounds: a landraider, a dread, vulkan, some Th/ss terminators, a few squads in rhino, a libby, a vindicator, etc. Nothing horribly optimized. I run through his list, he gets first deploy, so I wander off to talk to some buddies while he sets up.

I get back to the table, and I notice a 10 man squad behind the landraider. I ask him what that is. He says it's a 10 man stern guard squad with combimeltas that the libby joined. I ask to see his army roster... they're not on there. the dude had been played up a full sternguard squad all day.

He was immediately bounced, I played who he beat in round 2 for the prize, and to this day nobody is sure if he cheated or not.

good guys. Played in your hellfire air show a while back...

Only one bad game vs a guy that was over the top obnoxious fake nice there

he ran a deamonette bomb army

Honestly, it would have been a great game if he wasn't over the top.... or if he knew the rules (aka... models could shoot if they could see over things in 4th ed... but then no one knew this last edition it seemed...)

niceas wrote:I have two different kinds of 'worst' stories - first off on sportsmanship: 6th edition, I was playing Skaven and my opponent was playing Chaos. His method of beating me? After deployment, on first turn, he declared charges against all of my units. Now - keep in mind he was not in range of any of the charges - and he insisted that I had to make panic tests against his fear causing units. The rest of the game continued with similar crap. In the end, I wrote him off as an opponent. Apparently he's made quite the name for himself as being an absolute douche since.

Wow. I'd heard people using this tactic to run the Warp Fire Cannon off the table, but using it to defeat an entire army? That's lame...(maybe the new rat book will fix this?)

Well I think he only had to take the test if the charge was successful right? So he was actually cheating? Or do you always have to take the test?

starbomber's unfortunate example is sadly possible. The warp-cannon trick is well known - anyone in line of sight can declare a charge, and the cannon must flee. Panic tests due to fear/terror are also taken before measuring the charge the only exception being if you voluntarily flee, which doesn't help at all. Still, once I saw someone pull the cannon trick against a kid during one of his first games, which was a cruel lesson.

Can't you stick some higher leadership dude in your units to keep your opponent from making that work? (donno how warhammer fantasy leadership checks work exactly though...but I know in 40K, you can make unit leadership checks on anyone in the unit, be they grunts, upgrade characters, or independent characters joined to the unit)

Edit: good lord, I was thinking "Skaven must have abysmal leadership if they run away every time they have to take a terror check" and then I looked up their leadership...oh my.

yeah you could... but if you have alot of units it would be hard since your limited on heroes/lords... however back on subject... last month at my local gw, there was a club ran event (they run it every month... a giant apocalypse game) and theyre appeared to be a very annoying amount of complaining within this game that i could hear since I was the table rite next to the table they were playing on... This month they made 2 rules for the battle... 1. Have Fun 2. NO WHINING

Not to far into the game, like everyone started pointing at one person (like 15 people or so) and started chanting, WHINER! WHINER! WHINER! and it was quite funny... I suppose its good that some people are making an effort to make games more enjoyable.

you know, the worst i've had to deal with is a friend or two that get kinda pissy when they lose.
reading over this stuff, i've apparenlty gotten lucky.

I can recall 1 case of each, may add more as I remember later.

Good- In the last round of 2007 GT (LotR) I was playing a feller, and we were both competing for a trophy again. He had brought what was at that stage one of the 2 cheese armies in LotR, but he was also a good general. He completely wiped the floor with me, but due to the victory conditions it ended up a draw anyway. Throughout the whole thing he kept up a brilliant attitude, playing briskly, measuring in my favour etc, and also had a pleasant discussion after the game about the results. When I called him up on a rule he patiently checked it out, without a hint of irritation, and when he found out he was wrong apologised for his mistake. Overall one of the funnest games I have ever had, despite getting absolutely hammered.

Bad- The first was in a tourny game, where me and my opponent were both battling for a place. I was in the lead, when another person, who had finsished his game, came over, and started helping my my opponent, by giving him a advice and basically playing for him, despite me asking him numerous times to stop. I won anyway, but it was really quite annoying.

MarkoftheRings wrote:
Bad- The first was in a tourny game, where me and my opponent were both battling for a place. I was in the lead, when another person, who had finsished his game, came over, and started helping my my opponent, by giving him a advice and basically playing for him, despite me asking him numerous times to stop. I won anyway, but it was really quite annoying.

thems thar are terms for expulsions from tournies around these parts.

chaplaincliff wrote:

MarkoftheRings wrote:
Bad- The first was in a tourny game, where me and my opponent were both battling for a place. I was in the lead, when another person, who had finsished his game, came over, and started helping my my opponent, by giving him a advice and basically playing for him, despite me asking him numerous times to stop. I won anyway, but it was really quite annoying.

thems thar are terms for expulsions from tournies around these parts.

Ha, I had that happen at my 2nd Pokemon tournament when I was just a wee tyke. My brother had finished his game so he came to watch mine. Fat generic douche #1 was watching also and FGD #2 was playing. FGD#1 stops my brother right before he greets me with "You know you can't help him, right? You don't need to talk to him." We both kinda snickered and let it go. FGD #2 is having a tough time against me, so the other guy starts coaching him right out. I called him on it and he said he didn't care what I thought. I proceeded to thrash the guy who was easily 3 to 4 times older than me anyway. Sweet justice.

I think the worst example of bad sportsmanship that I experienced was at a tournament when I managed to get to the final table. At the start of the game the player's rolled off to determine who would choose the mission. I won the roll and he whispered something into his friend's ear while pointing at the board. I chose Cleanse and he then explained to his friend why I had just made a mistake in my mission choice as though I wasn't even there. I told him that we would see.

I ended up winning the game decisively and he became more and more combative as the game went on, lamenting his luck even though it really wasn't very bad and acting as though all of my success was due to being super lucky. Towards the end of the game I caught him moving one of his units way farther than it was actually able to move to get it into a better position. When I called him on it, he said, "oh come on, you're already winning!" To which I responded that it gave him no right to cheat. He begrudgingly moved his model back to where it was supposed to go and continued to act all pissy. I pulled out a victory and shook his hand.

It is the arrogance of players that really bugs me most rather than any specific action. Being good at playing 40k is not really much to brag about, so when players act superior and full of themselves about their 40k skills it just seems ridiculous.

I cant think of my worst sportsmanship moment. Probably the guy who list tailored to beat my all terminator deathwing army.

I can say I am guilty of giving people advice mid game, but only when one person is being an absolute douche. I saw one kid who was playing this guy using salamanders, and the salamanders kid had played <10 games. The other kid would not let him do anything over, correct any mistakes and give him zero rules help.

So I'm using a friends not so greatly painted Dark Eldar to learn the game and have some fun while I build/paint my army.
My worst sportsmanship thing happened tonight infact. I was playing a guy who people at the store have said is a pretty good player (IG).
Now all the people I've played against so far and all the people I've seen play have always been cool with asking questions about their army.
"What does that do?" "How far can that charge?" etc....
Since I'm new to the game I ask a lot of questions so I guess people think I'm dumb or something. I've been wargaming a long time but 40k is new. I'm not a tactical idiot.
He gets more and more snotty with me as I ask him questions and question his moves. Thankfully there's a few people there to call BS on a couple of his moves and honestly I made a few mistakes on moves as well. The difference is I welcome people pointing stuff out because, I'm learning the rules still.
So I think it was turn 4 maybe? I basically position myself and crush the left flank of his army. He gets so pissed after blowing several rolls he picks up his Chimera and wings it across the table at me. It shattered the other ravager I had sitting infront of me and several models and hits me in the chest and side of the head (I was ducking). He then starts kicking the table when people finally start to grab him. Damn thing actually drew blood when it hit me.
It only happened a couple of hours ago and I still can't believe it. Having a cow because your wee toy soldiers died? Some people have definitely lost the plot. "Have fun" apparently is code for "Psychotic nerd-rage" now.

Sinister Brain wrote:So I'm using a friends not so greatly painted Dark Eldar to learn he game and have some fun while I build/paint my army.
My worst sportsmanship thing happened tonight infact. I was playing a guy who people at the store have said is a pretty good player (IG).
Now all the people I've played against so far and all the people I've seen play have always been cool with asking questions about their army.
"What does that do?" "How far can that charge?" etc....
Since I'm new to the game I ask a lot of questions so I guess people think I'm dumb or something. I've been wargaming a long time but 40k is new. I'm not a tactical idiot.
He gets more and more snotty with me as I ask him questions and question his moves. Thankfully there's a few people there to call BS on a couple of his moves and honestly I made a few mistakes on moves as well. The difference is I welcome people pointing stuff out because, I'm learning the rules still.
So I think it was turn 4 maybe? I basically position myself and crush the left flank of his army. He gets so pissed after blowing several rolls he picks up his Chimera and wings it across the table at me. It shattered the other ravager I had sitting infront of me and several models and hits me in the chest and side of the head (I was ducking). He then starts kicking the table when people finally start to grab him. Damn thing actually drew blood when it hit me.
It only happened a couple of hours ago and I still can't believe it. Having a cow cuz your wee toy soldiers died? Some people have definitely lost the plot. "Have fun" apparently is code for "Psychotic nerd-rage" now.

Wow! I'm sorry you had to experience that while your just starting 40k. I know once I finish painting my army and actually start playing again, I'll probably suck a load of hippo bawls... but I don't think I'll freak out and start throwing things at people... I mean seriously. It's normal to get frustrated and perhaps slightly angry (depending on the setting of the game (ie tournament, a game at the FLGS, or a game at home)), but there is absolutely no reason to throw models... ESPECIALLY at someone elses models! If you're going to break stuff, make sure it's your own stuff!

anticitizen013 wrote:
Wow! I'm sorry you had to experience that while your just starting 40k. I know once I finish painting my army and actually start playing again, I'll probably suck a load of hippo bawls... but I don't think I'll freak out and start throwing things at people... I mean seriously. It's normal to get frustrated and perhaps slightly angry (depending on the setting of the game (ie tournament, a game at the FLGS, or a game at home)), but there is absolutely no reason to throw models... ESPECIALLY at someone elses models! If you're going to break stuff, make sure it's your own stuff!

As a previous posted mentioned there are a ton of very awesome people in this community that make up for douchenozzles like the guy at my local store. I've had so many great experiences since I started my 40K adventure that guys a fading memory already.
One thing though, there are a ton of kids playing at the store I was at (None there tonight though) and I'm glad he did it to me rather than to some poor 10 year old.

I know I get frustrated with my dice, other players, etc... and want to wing them at the wall and I have a long time ago in my Role playing games days but I never aimed them at anyone else. Besides 20-siders are surprisingly resilient!

At a local shop several years ago they had an all day type single elimination tournament where the prize was $200 in store certificates.
So this guy throws his 10 year old daughter in there to basically give him an extra chance at the prize and I get paired up with her right off the get go.
Even though I took it pretty easy and set up some stuff for her to take out I still won pretty handily.
The dad then goes on to berate his daughter in front of everyone for losing.

how DARE that little girl lose a game.

@ Sinister Brian: That kind of Douchefaggotry is grounds for punching. And it would not just be me in my LGW.

I have never really played against people like this, apart from people who "Accidentally" add 200 odd points into their armies "by mistake."

Also I once played against a guy who had modelled a SM captain with two powerfists. When he hits close combat, he tells me It's Marneus Calgar. Okay, that's fair enough I think. He the tries to take his 2+ saves from termie armour, which the model does not have, is on the wrong size base etc. I was unimpressed. He still died to the Daemon Weapon toting Lord.

I didnt play against this guy, but there was a doubles tournament down in tennessee me and some friends drove to. And this guy shows up with kroot mercenaries and his son was playing dark eldar. Problem was his son didnt know how to play, he had that few friends, and he had to drag his kid along as his 'partner'. He got crushed by a team running 5 holo falcons (4th ed) last round. good riddance

Most of mine have to do with cheating. Was playing against a kid who had a Tyranid horde. And I mean he had ridiculous amounts of crap out there. As the game went on, I started tallying his points in my head, and he was over by stellar amounts, had to be. Turns out, he "thought" that the points costs for the upgrades you could give your bugs were SUBTRACTED from the base cost since they were preceded with a "-". So the more powerful builds actually went into NEGATIVE pints costs. He had 45 point warriors out there for like -7 points.

THen he went on to blame his issues (there were others) on dyslexia.

What....The......Heck

Eidolon wrote:I didnt play against this guy, but there was a doubles tournament down in tennessee me and some friends drove to. And this guy shows up with kroot mercenaries and his son was playing dark eldar. Problem was his son didnt know how to play, he had that few friends, and he had to drag his kid along as his 'partner'. He got crushed by a team running 5 holo falcons (4th ed) last round. good riddance

thats not really fair, maybe he was just trying to do something with his son.

Horst wrote:

Eidolon wrote:I didnt play against this guy, but there was a doubles tournament down in tennessee me and some friends drove to. And this guy shows up with kroot mercenaries and his son was playing dark eldar. Problem was his son didnt know how to play, he had that few friends, and he had to drag his kid along as his 'partner'. He got crushed by a team running 5 holo falcons (4th ed) last round. good riddance

thats not really fair, maybe he was just trying to do something with his son.

I agree. That sounds like something Id do with my son or nephew. I wouldnt go there to win, Itd just be a fun day with the kids. If you called me a looser for that, Id break your hands.