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squilverine wrote:Many years back I was playing a game with my IG against Orks, I knew the guy from school but we were more aquaintences than friends, I got suspicious when he said we had to keep our dice seperate, he was rolling a lot of sixes and i was getting a lot of ones. Turned out he had loaded dice. When i worked this out and challenged him, he threw a tantrum and stormed off. Tit.

That's a punching offence.

Loading dice is truly a heinous crime. You should have ripped his nuts off.

And then shove his nuts and the dice up his ass.

Personal stories:

Worst Sports:

I was playing my Vampires vs a High Elf player. Occasionally when he checked range it would be a close call, and not wanting to slow the game down I'd always give it to him. This must have happened at least 4 or 5 times, and whenever he looked up at me uncertainly, I cheerfully said:"go for it!"

Then the last turn rolls around and I launch a critical potentially game winning charge. Turns out, it's right on the wire. Immiediatly he says:"sorry bro, you're out." I look up and think in my head:"seriously?" Didn't really matter since in the magic phase I roll irresistable force for my Vanhels Danse and charge in anyway, but I can't believe he repaid me with such unkindness.

Can't think of the "best" right now...will post later.

Hi my worst was my mate who plays nids and me teamed up(him using his chaos) for a game against another nid player and whenever we asked what his nids had we just got nearly everything.

please be aware I do not think he cheated it was just a bit annoying.

and the best probably nearly every game I've had there (at the club)

Sidstyler wrote:lolz, never heard of anyone literally whipping their gak out on the table. That's amazing.

Play with Sailors a bit more often.


I don't really have truly horrible instances. Once had a friend get pissed off and chuck one of this models, which turned out to be one of mine that I had loaned him. The model was forever lost behind a 1 ton vending machine, but he quickly rebuilt one from his bits and gave it back. The only other instance that sticks out at me was in round 3 of a tourny, my opponent refused to play me because he didn't have a chance at winning 1st place.

I game with the Hellfire guys in Pittsburgh, and they do a yearly tournament series, and the four tourney winners, plus the top four players by points, get to attend a tournament of champions. The format is simple: 1st seed gets to pick his first round opponent (except for 2nd place), then 2nd, then 3rd, and the last three face each other in the first round. standard single elimination after that.

When I found out that the sole mission was going to be victory points with 12" deployment, nothing fancy, I brought IG (old codex) with lots of boys and three LRBTS. It was a cheesy move, but I'm playing the mission.

Anyway, I beat my first opponent soundly, squeeze out the closest game of my life against a necron destroyer horde, and now I'm facing Marines for first place. At first, I can't understand how he won so convincingly in the first two rounds: a landraider, a dread, vulkan, some Th/ss terminators, a few squads in rhino, a libby, a vindicator, etc. Nothing horribly optimized. I run through his list, he gets first deploy, so I wander off to talk to some buddies while he sets up.

I get back to the table, and I notice a 10 man squad behind the landraider. I ask him what that is. He says it's a 10 man stern guard squad with combimeltas that the libby joined. I ask to see his army roster... they're not on there. the dude had been played up a full sternguard squad all day.

He was immediately bounced, I played who he beat in round 2 for the prize, and to this day nobody is sure if he cheated or not.

While dice throwing and model smashing are a bit shocking, I find these fits of rage entertaining as long as no harm comes to anyone else in the area. Everyone has a bad day, so I don't really consider it all that bad of a sportsman. What I do think makes a bad sportsman is splitting hairs on rules and other actions that generally make the game unfun for your opponent. This includes stuff like, taking forever to move, customizing lists for specific opponents for casual play, whining beyond a reasonable amount and lastly, playing in such a manner that annoys your opponent.

Techboss wrote:While dice throwing and model smashing are a bit shocking, I find these fits of rage entertaining as long as no harm comes to anyone else in the area. Everyone has a bad day, so I don't really consider it all that bad of a sportsman.

Dice tossing and model smashing can cause someone to loose an eye sir. Now how many geeks need to be walking around with eye patches?

On another note
I could a shot a round for a couple of games and not get mad. Might have trouble with the old math somewhere in the 3rd game

Gamers with eye patches?
Thats like instant street cred.


I have seen dice tossing - though at times it has been coordinated/aimed. And all in good fun.

Worst sportsmanship relating to game list/play.

A few of the guys at my FLGS got together for a four person per side huge game (around 6000 points total on each side, like an appoc game, but without super-heavies) a few weeks ago. On one side, SPACE MARINES. (Dark angels, blood angels, Templar, space wolves)

The space marine players all had three dreadnoughts (Space wolves had four), one of them was a furioso death company dread...and a Techmarine was sitting behind them, along with a bunch of tactical squads and deathwing with heavy weapons.

It was a marine dreadbash...

I'd like to know, what yall are referring to when you say "splitting hairs" on rules...

I've called people on the following things, and don't really think I was outside the bounds of good sportsmanship to say..

- your vindicator cannot fire on my space marines, it has a hull mounted cannon, with a 45 degree firing arc, and you are outside of that arc.

- you do not get the charge on my marines, you just came in from reserve, rolled a 4 for difficult terrain, a 6 for fleet, and i'm 18" away from the edge they came in on. (he fudged movement about half inch on each move)

those are my two most common calls I have to make against people, and they just normally look at me like I raped and murdered their parents.

are these kinds of things splitting hairs to yall?

starbomber109 wrote:Worst sportsmanship relating to game list/play.

A few of the guys at my FLGS got together for a four person per side huge game (around 6000 points total on each side, like an appoc game, but without super-heavies) a few weeks ago. On one side, SPACE MARINES. (Dark angels, blood angels, Templar, space wolves)

The space marine players all had three dreadnoughts (Space wolves had four), one of them was a furioso death company dread...and a Techmarine was sitting behind them, along with a bunch of tactical squads and deathwing with heavy weapons.

It was a marine dreadbash...

How is this at all bad sportsmanship?

Worst sportsman I ever faced:

While trying to practice with my army, I had no opponent, so I did the "Play against myself" type game, thinking it would give me a general idea of how the army played.
Well, I did not expect to have to argue and fight with my opponent the whole time!

I moved my models, and immediatly he claimed I moved my skimmer too far. I assured him that I moved the allowed 24", but he insisted on coming over to my side of the table to measure for himself. Then, to top it off, he moved my model back about 1/16th of an inch!
I was pissed, but kept quiet. During his turn, I claimed that he moved his chaos dreadnaught up too far as well. True, it was more of a revenge thing, but I went over to his side and moved his model back 1/16th of an inch!

That is when it hit the fan!

While measuring distance, his tape measure "accidentaly" knocked my talos off the table! It shattered in all directions. I was FURIOUS! I looked up at him, and he sat there with a stupid grin on his face and he said "oops!"
Needless to say, I smiled back and said "Accidents Happen", and I bumped the table, causing his Land raider with abbadon perched on top to fall to the concrete below!
He just sat there with a shocked look on his face, and then without warning, grabed asdrubael and chucked him against the wall! I started sweeping all his models off the table, and he did the same to mine, and well, we ended up fighting, rolling around on the models strewn across the room, crushing them.

In the end, I lost a complete Dark Eldar and Chaos army, and I refuse to ever play against that guy again!

I see what you did there.

The worst Ive seen, was one of the first games I played on my own. The guy was IG and cheated by setting up EVERYTHING in his favor and then setting up his army first. I was chaos. He kept measuring shots with his basilisk that was BEHIND a building and just hammering me with stuff. I lost, but just barely. (I got lucky on a bunch of rolls) Once I got in I was starting to kick his butt good. He got so mad he did the arm slide across the table and started swearing and kicking things.

The best, a guy that was in the same group, was simply put and AWESOME player. He would give you tips on how to beat him BEFORE the game. Help you while you were playing the game, and then after he crushed you (always did lol) he would explain better tactics and such. Very cool fella

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:
How is this at all bad sportsmanship?

Well, maybe it would have been if they did it twice.

I should stop posting...period.

Horst wrote:I've called people on the following things, and don't really think I was outside the bounds of good sportsmanship to say..

- your vindicator cannot fire on my space marines, it has a hull mounted cannon, with a 45 degree firing arc, and you are outside of that arc.
- you do not get the charge on my marines, you just came in from reserve, rolled a 4 for difficult terrain, a 6 for fleet, and i'm 18" away from the edge they came in on. (he fudged movement about half inch on each move)
those are my two most common calls I have to make against people, and they just normally look at me like I raped and murdered their parents. are these kinds of things splitting hairs to yall?

I guess the first one depends. Are they .5 degrees out or something more obvious? I think if they are on the line you should give it up. It not then you are within your rights to deny the shot.

The second sounds pretty clear cut and I'd think you are well within your rights to call a player on dodgy measuring.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:

starbomber109 wrote:Worst sportsmanship relating to game list/play.

A few of the guys at my FLGS got together for a four person per side huge game (around 6000 points total on each side, like an appoc game, but without super-heavies) a few weeks ago. On one side, SPACE MARINES. (Dark angels, blood angels, Templar, space wolves)

The space marine players all had three dreadnoughts (Space wolves had four), one of them was a furioso death company dread...and a Techmarine was sitting behind them, along with a bunch of tactical squads and deathwing with heavy weapons.

It was a marine dreadbash...

How is this at all bad sportsmanship?

Thats EXACTLY what I was wondering. 6000pt game with 13 dreds is totally doable. what was the other sides armies?


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starbomber109 wrote:

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:
How is this at all bad sportsmanship?

Well, maybe it would have been if they did it twice.

I should stop posting...period.

Im still confused. Your calling bad sportsmenship for playing legal armies?

Maybe I'm the bad sportsman :(

Acknowledging you have a problem is the first step.

Horst wrote:
- your vindicator cannot fire on my space marines, it has a hull mounted cannon, with a 45 degree firing arc, and you are outside of that arc.

I do this all the time, my mate has before now tried to fire a demolisher cannon out the back ramp but I agree with The Green git if its tiny don't worry.

Horst wrote:- you do not get the charge on my marines, you just came in from reserve, rolled a 4 for difficult terrain, a 6 for fleet, and i'm 18" away from the edge they came in on. (he fudged movement about half inch on each move)

amazingly I havn't had to call anyone out on this before (no offence if I know any of you) but (again agreeing with the green git) I would definately call them out on it

Sorry, I'd been thinking of "Sportsmanship" in a different way. (some guys around here seems to think of lootas as somewhat poor sportsmanship :/ )

But actually I haven't really encountered any poor 'sportsmen' yet, and I'd like to think I'm pretty passive, and I won't get into heated rules arguments if I can help it.

All I know is last week, when those space marine players tried to organize another 6000 point game EVERYONE who had run up against the dreadwall said "I hope you don't run another dreadwall" And they didn't...instead they ran 7 land raiders and it turned into a hilarious road block mid-table

It's cool, the tone of my question was a little unclear now that I look back at it and shouldn't have been open to sounding hostile. I was curious because our tourneys locally have started including army "balance" as part of sportsmanship, which seems to have nothing to do with sportsmanship in my mind and wanted your angle on it. When I play Apoc, I play Chaos and field all Daemon Princes and superheavies (rarely allying in Chaos daemons Greater Daemons if I have the extra points). My opponent's tend to take lots of/practically all tanks, and it typically turns into MC players vs. Tank players.

Oh yeah. I've also experienced extremely bad sportsmanship from people not even playing.

Like pointing out my plans, and telling my opponent how to get out of it.

Or tipping off my next opponent as to what I have in my list.

Neither are even vaguely acceptable when the game is between two people of roughly equal skill. Yet both seem to happen in every game I play.

Big'Uns wrote:While someone throwing a little tantrum or being a rules nazi might be annoying.
Every time I play a model gets broken, someone gets angry and eventually someones Un's end up on the table.
wanting to eat pizza that you did not pay for however is just downright rude.

How's that off topic?

And I challange you to contest my Nerdfight formula.

1 drink per player turn and see if you can make it through a whole game without an argument.

Nerdfight formula destroyed. The local scene of "cooler" players (aka a bunch of us that have fun yet stay competative and non are TFG's) get together every friday or saterday night and drink untill we don't remember what turn it is and usually quit. But we're also more veteran players that knows the rules like the back of our hands.

So I'll redo your formula for you

(Alcohol + Warhammer) x douchebags present = Nerdfight

Thus if no douchbags present Nerdfight will equel zero!

Worst

3rd edition era. I played a "friend" who just got into the game playing DE. He took a list so full of cheese that it made the game unpleasant, but the worst part of it is he'd rub it in, laughing and taunting me the entire time. I eventually just quit and packed up my stuff.

Best

I think I'm going to toot my own horn on this one. I was in an airport and was reading my new $9 White Dwarf. A kid 19-20 years old saw it and asked me about it, he was so enthralled by the pictures and the games that I let him keep it.

Anglacon wrote:Worst sportsman I ever faced:

While trying to practice with my army, I had no opponent, so I did the "Play against myself" type game, thinking it would give me a general idea of how the army played.
Well, I did not expect to have to argue and fight with my opponent the whole time!

I moved my models, and immediatly he claimed I moved my skimmer too far. I assured him that I moved the allowed 24", but he insisted on coming over to my side of the table to measure for himself. Then, to top it off, he moved my model back about 1/16th of an inch!
I was pissed, but kept quiet. During his turn, I claimed that he moved his chaos dreadnaught up too far as well. True, it was more of a revenge thing, but I went over to his side and moved his model back 1/16th of an inch!

That is when it hit the fan!

While measuring distance, his tape measure "accidentaly" knocked my talos off the table! It shattered in all directions. I was FURIOUS! I looked up at him, and he sat there with a stupid grin on his face and he said "oops!"
Needless to say, I smiled back and said "Accidents Happen", and I bumped the table, causing his Land raider with abbadon perched on top to fall to the concrete below!
He just sat there with a shocked look on his face, and then without warning, grabed asdrubael and chucked him against the wall! I started sweeping all his models off the table, and he did the same to mine, and well, we ended up fighting, rolling around on the models strewn across the room, crushing them.

In the end, I lost a complete Dark Eldar and Chaos army, and I refuse to ever play against that guy again!

I too would have punched the guy out.

Elthrai wrote:The best sportsmanship I have seen was when after a large tourney the winner, a guy bout 17-19 gave up his free battleforce box to a new player so he could get better started in his army.

That is pretty cool. I think if I was the FLGS owner that guy wouldn't be paying for drinks for a while...

I have two different kinds of 'worst' stories - first off on sportsmanship: 6th edition, I was playing Skaven and my opponent was playing Chaos. His method of beating me? After deployment, on first turn, he declared charges against all of my units. Now - keep in mind he was not in range of any of the charges - and he insisted that I had to make panic tests against his fear causing units. The rest of the game continued with similar crap. In the end, I wrote him off as an opponent. Apparently he's made quite the name for himself as being an absolute douche since.

On pure asshattery: Playing Dark Elves against High Elves. Turn one he moved his dragon too close to my lines, and my RxBs shot his dragon mage off the dragon. He flipped, and threw the dragon AT me (he missed). Needless to say he's been banned from that store, as well as the other store I play at.

The more common form of 'bad sportsmanship' I see around involves people spazzing out in the middle of the game. Just spazzing mind - no sweeps, models getting thrown around, or any of that other stuff. When I witness this type of BS, I just make sure not to play the person unless I have to (read: in a tournament). If I end up having to play the person? Well, I just do my best to beat the tar out of them on the field, and treat their episodes as a reward.