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I'm taking all these rumors with a bag of salt, because they make it sound like they're turning the GKs into another Codex: Blood angels.

Actually I always thought the BA codex was too much like how the GK were supposed to be....

No, no, Woofs are blue-grey, not gray gray.

I think it'd be clearer to simply give the extra attack.

Melissia wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:[snip]

warboss wrote:[snip]

Congratulations, both of you missed the point entirely. Go figure.

That sort of comment accomplishes nothing useful. If you have a point to make, and people are missing it, either find another way to explain it or move on. This sort of snarkiness leads nowhere good.

I don't see Stormbolters being counted as an extra CCW.

Sanguinary Guard get the ability, why wouldn't Grey Knights? @JHDD: I like your new avatar pic. Those are some healthy fun bags....LOL.

CaptKaruthors wrote:

I don't see Stormbolters being counted as an extra CCW.

Sanguinary Guard get the ability, why wouldn't Grey Knights?

They do? I don't remember seeing that. Either way, angelus boltguns pale in comparison to storm bolters.

Yes, but Blood Angels also pale in comparison to Grey Knights.

CaptKaruthors wrote:Sanguinary Guard get the ability, why wouldn't Grey Knights?

...no they don't? Their "Angelus Boltguns" are just Assault 2, and they use 2-handed power weapons, so even with the infernus pistol they never get the extra attack.

Angelus Boltguns are ap4 while storm bolters are only ap5 which is a major advantage sometimes.

Necrosis wrote:Angelus Boltguns are ap4 while storm bolters are only ap5 which is a major advantage sometimes.

Yeah, because Tau & Stormtroopers are a major threat that needs to be dealt with...

Also Eldar Dire Avengers/Swooping Hawks/Fragons/Banshees, and IG Veterans/Company Command, and Ork 'Ard Boyz/Nobz/Bikers/Deffkoptas/Flash Gitz, and SM Scouts, and Tyranid Warriors/Harpies/Biovores...

Not at 12" they aren't. besides, most list usually stock up on AP 3 anyway for facing MEQs (which is all the time)

Not all armies have that much AP3. Orks, for instance, and Tyranids, and heavy Scout armies (they typically use scouts to free up points for terminators).

bhsman wrote:This means that the supposed "Jump Pack Grey Knights" wouldn't, either.

Pretty sure that you're being too literal. In this case the OP probably meant that organic GK units have shrouding, while vehicles (and Inquisitorial stuff) do not.

True, but what Orks and Tyranids lack in AP 3 they gain in sure volume in fire and the ability to stomp things in melee, and at 12" that's going to be very often.

Melissia wrote:Also Eldar Dire Avengers/Swooping Hawks/Fragons/Banshees, and IG Veterans/Company Command, and Ork 'Ard Boyz/Nobz/Bikers/Deffkoptas/Flash Gitz, and SM Scouts, and Tyranid Warriors/Harpies/Biovores...

Swooping hawks? Flash gitz?
*cough cough threat cough cough*

Wow, *clearly* those Sv4+ models are what's breaking the game. Good thing for those AP4 guns!

JohnHwangDD wrote:Wow, *clearly* those Sv4+ models are what's breaking the game. Good thing for those AP4 guns!

He didn't say ap4 models are breaking the game, he said ap4 is an advantage over ap5 sometimes.

If you've got banshees within 18" of your sanguinary guard I'm sure you'd be very glad that your gun has ap 4.

Honestly guys, nuance, it's the friend of language and understanding. (but hey who needs understanding when we can have exaggerated snark).

These rumours completely bore me, but then so do GK's in general. Hey guys you know that army that is suposed to be super uber, well we're the even more superer uberer version. Lame.

Rending is dull, its like the duct tape of 40k 5th edition, GW applies it to fix anything.

Stormravens are good, hopefully we get a model.

Jump Pack GK's sound stupid because you're all picturing how utetrly slowed an ornate jp troop with his big halberd and his big honking wrist gun would look. About as stupid as the Sanguinary guard look is the answer. They'll need a different armament to avoid looking utterly ridiculous.

Jet bike GK's however sound awesomesauce.

Stormtroopers moving to work like IG stormtroopers. Great! Now they can be a subpar and rarely used choice in 2 codecii!

And toning down of the =][= booooh! They were the best part of the codex.

I wonder what happens to daemonhosts.

I don't mind GK's moving out of allies but its a shame that Inquisitors and Assassins are going away. Maybe we will get a heroes of the imperium book for ally purposes along with our 2 dedicated armies for GK's and Sisters.

dietrich wrote:

Havoc13 wrote:Oh and don't forget another gray space marine army... That's all we need...

I call shenannigans on these rumors. I don't see Stormbolters being counted as an extra CCW. Space Wolves and Plague Marines both lost True Grit. I could see all the GKs getting one more attack instead, but not True Grit staying in the book.

Perhaps, but Space Wolves and Plague Marines were getting True Grit with rather unwieldy Bolters, and there really wasn't a good explanation for why every other Space Marine in the Universe hadn't figured out how to fight with their Bolters in close combat also, over the course of the last 10,000 years. So, they took True Grit away but gave them something better in the form of "Ultra-Grit" (Bolters, Bolt Pistols, and CCWs as standard load).

Grey Knights, however, use a modified/specialized wrist-mounted Storm Bolter. There actually is a pretty good justification for allowing them to also use it in close combat as if it were a pistol based on its design. Since there aren't any other Marines that use the same type of Storm Bolter (except arguably Logan Grimnar) there should be no cries asking about why Grey Knights get this specific ability but nobody else does.

It still might not be true, but I see it at least as plausible.

Regards,

Valerian

bravelybravesirrobin wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:Wow, *clearly* those Sv4+ models are what's breaking the game. Good thing for those AP4 guns!

Honestly guys, nuance, it's the friend of language and understanding.

Perhaps, however, it's even more important to have a functioning sarcasm detector when you're reading on the Intarwebz...

I don't have a problem with Rending, because it's a clean, well-understood fix. Better than having to deal with a plethora of largely similar effects, each pointlessly different for the sake of difference.

Aside from that, I agree with the rest of your post:
- Stormraven? Do want!
- JP GKs = FAIL
- JB GKs = cool
- ISTs overpriced = UBER FAIL
- nuking Inquisitors? MEGA UBER FAIL

JohnHwangDD wrote:

bravelybravesirrobin wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:Wow, *clearly* those Sv4+ models are what's breaking the game. Good thing for those AP4 guns!

Honestly guys, nuance, it's the friend of language and understanding.

Perhaps, however, it's even more important to have a functioning sarcasm detector when you're reading on the Intarwebz...

I'm British. Sarcasm and Irony detectors are made in America and the settings are far too sensitive for over here. They'd explode frequently from every passing remark of admiration someone said in front of it. Every other day you'd be fixing them again. I decided that was too much effort in the long run.

And people try and claim I'm abrasive

Melissia wrote:And people try and claim I'm abrasive

I'm sure they do, but it's an entirely different thing from being British. Although there have been some individuals known to have symptoms of suffering from both maladies.

No power weapon on the Justicar? That sucks... I am going to miss it...


//Edge

but jump pack GK are in the fluff... hell there is whole story on it where they have melta pistols, melta bombs AND plasma bombs

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:but jump pack GK are in the fluff... hell there is whole story on it where they have melta pistols, melta bombs AND plasma bombs

Are you talking about the Godfather short story? The admission of that into canon is about as laughable as any of the Dawn of War novels.

Canon in 40K is flexible and arbitrary.

If GW wants to add Jump Pack Grey Knights to the fluff, guess what, they'll ret-con them in and then they'll always have been there. If they want Jetbike GK's - same deal, they were always there. And then we have internal inconsistency between GK Jetbikes and Master of the Deathwing's Last Jetbike in the Imperium.

OnTheEdge wrote:No power weapon on the Justicar? That sucks... I am going to miss it...


//Edge

Yes, but having rending on the whole unit will result in more power wounds overall

AND PAGKs will have the potential to pop Landraiders.

out of 18 hits on a LR. 3 will Rend and 2 of those will damage. 1 glance and 1 penetrating hit.

for every 9 hits on a LR you will get .75 rolls on the damage chart.

Rending: The thinking man's special rule.

not that story, but in reality GK jump pack have always been their since second edition maybe even as early as rouge trader but i'm sure of that as i don't have that book handy as the moment.... gah i hate haveing to go down stairs to get it...