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H.B.M.C. wrote:It's not. I wasn't being serious. No one uses Storm Troopers.

We don't know what they'll cost in the end, as part of their cost increase in the IG book was also due to their free special mission abilities.

H.B.M.C. wrote:There will never be a Codex Inquisition. Remember, Jervis said they got 'carried away' when they made all the Inquisitorial stuff, so he wants to Jervisify it so - that means generic choices and special characters galore.

Yay.

Let me be the first to say "woo"



Oh and don't forget another gray space marine army... That's all we need...

If their cost went up, then they weren't free abilities were they. And they're not worth 16 points with those abilities. They're costed at 16 points because Arby thinks that AP3 means something in 5th Ed.

Free to choose, I should say. They still probably went up in price because of it, not just because of AP3. Not to mention they may still drop the price so that people will use them more a lá Long Fangs.

Havoc13 wrote:Uhh incorrect. My Inq force is all Stormtroopers no GK at all.

How unfortunate for you.

egor71 wrote:*old git mode on*

Aren't there supose to be 666 GK, only in TA

*old git mode off*

Not according to the original Rogue Trader List that had Power Armour Grey Knights(and jump pack GKs, too).

H.B.M.C. wrote:It's not. I wasn't being serious. No one uses Storm Troopers.

I use them. I even brought them to Adepticon, ask Ozy, Reecius, and WD.

Platuan4th wrote:
I use them. I even brought them to Adepticon, ask Ozy, Reecius, and WD.

Indeed. I had a five man melta crew there myself. Nothing like two shots of metla outflanking wrapped up in a chimera to get inside a person's head. I think it's more effective than Marbo.

Beerfart wrote:I wasnt really paying attention to the "Inquisition" part. Instead I mainly payed attention to the Grey Knight info. Just a couple of little tidbits though...

Yeah, this part makes me think it's bs. No "Grey Knights fan" would not pay attention during the "Inquisition part."

But an interesting read nonetheless.

Melissia wrote:

TBD wrote:I don't like the look of the "Stormtroopers will be made on-par with the IG book", aka they cost too many points and nobody wants to use them.

That's okay, nobody really uses =][= stormies either.

Untrue. I've got over 2-dozen ISTs, and they're quite playable as throwaway dual-plasma teams.

Indeed, for funsies, I've often use an Inquisitor with three plasma warriors, and two squads of five with two plasmas each, and then just let them take the Chimeras from an allied IG platoon.

70 points for five BS4 models with two plasma guns and targetters is a good deal.

Indeed, for funsies, I've often use an Inquisitor with three plasma warriors, and two squads of five with two plasmas each, and then just let them take the Chimeras from an allied IG platoon.

70 points for five BS4 models with two plasma guns and targetters is a good deal.

H.B.M.C. wrote:It's not. I wasn't being serious. No one uses Storm Troopers.

sniff... i'm nobody then... :( i like the figs and most of the rules they have. in fact, i only have a problem with one of their rules... the part that says "16". rerollable deepstrike and ap3 is something my 3rd edition "what's the movement phase?" horde guard need, it's just not worth 16pts each.

i seriously run I stormtroopers, and i have to say 4 six strong squads is a royal pain to chaos armies especially beserker orientated one

Isn't it funny how 'nobody' plays something if you don't. Interesting look into the self-importance of some people.

If these rumors are true (pound of salt), would the Shrouding ability apply to their Storm Ravens? Storm Ravens under permanent cloak of night would be even sicker than scouting ones.

Terminus wrote:If these rumors are true (pound of salt), would the Shrouding ability apply to their Storm Ravens? Storm Ravens under permanent cloak of night would be even sicker than scouting ones.

He covered that one and sadly it's a no.

-"Shrouding" is now as-per night fighting rules. Infantry only gain effect.

This means that the supposed "Jump Pack Grey Knights" wouldn't, either.

Well if the Jump Pack Grey Knights just use teleporters to move like jump infantry but are still infantry then they would benefit from it.

I wonder if searchlights will bounce the effects of Shrouding. Personally, I think it should work like Veil of Tears.

the rules for shrouding now are quite clear that any abilities that effect Night Fighting don't work on Shrouding and it is a sure thing that it will stay that way.

I think they will have a rule saying search light has no effect on this rule.

Ninja'd by Grey Templar.

warboss wrote:sniff... i'm nobody then...

'Spose I should clarify further.

Nobody who expects to actually get any real use out of them brings Storm Troopers. People bring Storm Troopers because they like the concept of Storm Troopers, like me, with my Inquisitorial army based around 6 squads of Storm Troopers mounted in Valks. I know this army sucks, but I don't care. I like them. But from a competitive perspective, no one brings Storm Troopers. Too expensive.

Wow, all five people who use stormtroopers are in the same thread!


Wonder if anyone here has a sense of humor enough not to take that seriously...

Terminus wrote:

Beerfart wrote:I wasnt really paying attention to the "Inquisition" part. Instead I mainly payed attention to the Grey Knight info. Just a couple of little tidbits though...

Yeah, this part makes me think it's bs. No "Grey Knights fan" would not pay attention during the "Inquisition part."

... unless they just don't give a damn about the Inquisition and only care about Grey Knights. IE, they're a "Grey Knights fan"....

... logic!

I know several Grey Knights players and they don't really care about the Inquisition stuff, they field nothing but Grey Knights.

Necrosis wrote:I know several Grey Knights players and they don't really care about the Inquisition stuff, they field nothing but Grey Knights.

And I know several Inquisitorial players who don't really care about the Grey Knight stuff, they field no Grey Knights in their army.

Are they less entities to their army being updated?

Necrosis wrote:I know several Grey Knights players and they don't really care about the Inquisition stuff, they field nothing but Grey Knights.

congrats! i know one who specifically does NOT use grey knights; that doesn't mean the grey knights deserve to get squatted. the reverse is also true.

No, only that it wouldn't be so unusual for someone to only pay attention to the Grey Knights portion rather than both it and the Inquisition. For my part, I hope both sections are made competitive for either a pure or mixed army.

H.B.M.C. wrote:[snip]

warboss wrote:[snip]

Congratulations, both of you missed the point entirely. Go figure.

Melissia wrote:Congratulations, both of you missed the point entirely. Go figure.

Indeed.
The point was that I can understand why this person would not pay attention to the Inquisition stuff.

Havoc13 wrote:Oh and don't forget another gray space marine army... That's all we need...

No, that's the space wolves. Grey Knights are silver, totally different. But not boltgun metal, those guys are the evil Iron Warriors.

I call shenannigans on these rumors. I don't see Stormbolters being counted as an extra CCW. Space Wolves and Plague Marines both lost True Grit. I could see all the GKs getting one more attack instead, but not True Grit staying in the book.