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Melissia wrote:There are. Remember, the Codex trumps BRB.

The six orders are:

Convent Sanctorum on Ophelia VII:
Order of the Bloody Rose
Order of Our Martyred Lady
Order of the Valorous Heart

Convent Prioris on Holy Terra:
Order of the Sacred Rose
Order of the Ebon Chalice
Order of the Argent Shroud

Except when BRB was written after Codex. Fifth, edition is the edition where GW pretty much came out and said that all older codex supplements and chapter approved armies(Craftworld Eldar and TLatD) were no longer valid.

All I can say is, Enjoy your six orders until the next book comes out.

Which, if it does happen (I am not convinced), would be a hilariously bad decision on GW's part.

Regardless, as I said, codex trumps BRB. It's even stated specifically in the BRB that this is true. That's part of the reason why why Seraphim don't have to test initiative to Hit and Run, and why DH Force Weapons ignore eternal warrior.

Kanluwen wrote:Think "Slow" and "Methodical" with endless amounts of flaming heretics fleeing before them, and that just screams the Sisters' way of war.

Thought For The Day: "There are only heretics before me. There are only ashes behind me."

Melissia wrote:Regardless, as I said, codex trumps BRB.

I think the BRB says that this is true only where a codexes RULES are in conflict with the BRB... I doubt it pertains to fluff.

Melissia wrote:Which, if it does happen (I am not convinced), would be a hilariously bad decision on GW's part.

Regardless, as I said, codex trumps BRB. It's even stated specifically in the BRB that this is true. That's part of the reason why why Seraphim don't have to test initiative to Hit and Run, and why DH Force Weapons ignore eternal warrior.

Hey, I'm just contributing some of GW latest fine work concerning the Sisters. Are going to call the rest of the quoted section a typo? It does seem to set a force limit.
Also, the bit about being the army for the ministorum seems to be a bit of a disconnect from where they are currently.

Well it doesn't really matter if their 3 or 6 right now, it's not really going to change anything is it?

It perhaps is; the phrase "several" versus the phrase "many" can be important. C:WH said "many thousands", which could mean anywhere from five thousand to fifty thousand, and both sources give no limit to the amount of Minor Orders.

Actually, the bit about them being the army of the Ministroum kinda reinforces old fluff... including both C:SoB and C:WH, which say (more or less in depth) roughly the same thing.

Well, if the numbering of Sisters in the several thousands (as opposed to, say, the untold BILLIONS of IG) represents GWs desire to make the SoB into a smaller, more elite force, then it could be hugely important.

The (worst case) scenario I have in mind there is a combined -I- codex wherein SoB are represented by 2 or 3 units as part of a larger -I- strike force. ::shudder::

Necrosis wrote:Well it doesn't really matter if their 3 or 6 right now, it's not really going to change anything is it?

It is the reduction to three orders, with the listed number of sisters, and the description of them not really fghting as a full force that adds up to a lot of unhappy Sisters players if the next codex comes anywhere near to matching what is written in the mentioned section.

focusedfire wrote:Also, the bit about being the army for the ministorum seems to be a bit of a disconnect from where they are currently.

Nah, they really are the mainstay of the Ministorum forces. It's a complex situation that would take more explaining than the BRB blurb. As to 3 v. 6, I think that's a mistake. On the one hand, I bet GW would reduce the number of paint schemes they have to advertise in a prospective codex. On the other, getting rid of the two major convents? I doubt it.

Yeah, that would be a disastrously bad idea. But thankfully all latest rumors appear to be that there will be a Grey Knights / Inquisition codex sooner rather than later, and Sisters will not be in it-- which means that there will be a Sisters / Ecclesiarchy codex, with or without Inquisition units (hopefully without in my opinion). Jervis Johnson has gone on record for over a year now saying that Sisters and Grey Knights will get codices focusing on them, though whether or not the Inquisition is removed from them he would not say.

But this kind of discussion goes in the News section I think...

Manchu wrote:

focusedfire wrote:Also, the bit about being the army for the ministorum seems to be a bit of a disconnect from where they are currently.

Nah, they really are the mainstay of the Ministorum forces. It's a complex situation that would take more explaining than the BRB blurb. As to 3 v. 6, I think that's a mistake. On the one hand, I bet GW would reduce the [+++TRANSSMISSION TERMINATED+++

Manchu wrote:On the one hand, I bet GW would reduce the number of paint schemes they have to advertise in a prospective codex.

Pfft, yeah right. Not like they advertised much for anything other than Order of Our Martyred Lady in C:WH. Hell they had more pages on Marine miniatures in the codex than they did the other Sisters paint schemes.

They had two pages with the stupid piece of gak ugly as arse Ultramarines in there, but NONE dedicated to the Order of the Ebon Chalice, THE ORDER FOUNDED BY ALICIA DOMINICA!!!

*turns on Rhapsody of Fire's Symphony of Enchanted Lands, and fast forwards to Part III: Rex Tremende, then muttering angrily some very unladylike language about GW employees and their mothers*









*cough* I'm okay. I'm not bitter.

Melissia wrote:*cough* I'm okay. I'm not bitter.

I think you missed your true calling, with all of your seething vitriol you should be playing Khorne.

Too much blood. I prefer to stay clean.

Besides, there aren't any lost and the damned armies in tabletop 40k. There's only angry at my dad marines (yawn) and daemons. I MIGHT get a mixed Khorne/Slaanesh daemon army, but that's a subject for a different thread.

Melissia wrote:Yeah, that would be a disastrously bad idea. But thankfully all latest rumors appear to be that there will be a Grey Knights / Inquisition codex sooner rather than later, and Sisters will not be in it-- which means that there will be a Sisters / Ecclesiarchy codex, with or without Inquisition units (hopefully without in my opinion). Jervis Johnson has gone on record for over a year now saying that Sisters and Grey Knights will get codices focusing on them, though whether or not the Inquisition is removed from them he would not say.

Do you think that the codices Jervis mentioned are the free ones that they are going to let everyone download? Wouldn't be the first time he and GW have misled in order to sneak a suprise in on everyone.

I sincerely doubt it. We've also gotten a lot of rumors about a Grey Knights focused codex, too, including Grey Knights with jump packs for example, and it will probably have Inquisition units... but it will not have Sisters. Every single reliable sources says the two codices will be updated this edition, and will be separate. We just have to wait and hope for the best though.

If page 120 & 121is an indication of what is to come, then the Grey Knights & Inquistion are going to become a MEQ Inquisition book.

And the Sisters are going to become a broader GEQ ministorum army that uses less sisters units and more storms and gaurd based units.

If this ends up being the case then, "How could GW pull this off without totally sc**wing the Sisters and their players?

If you are going off of the statement that the Sisters are the army of the Ministorum, then I fail to see how you came to that conclusion about how the Sisters would look.

Indeed, if it specifically mentions them, without mentioning the Guard, or Frateris Militia, then I would think that it would lend itself to a conclusion of Sisters being expanded far more.

It is the mentioning of the orders warriors rarley(emphasis mine) fighting together as a unit, but instead are commonly spread through out the galaxy in various battle zones.

This could mean that they are teamed up with with one of the many lesser sisterhoods(This seems like it might have special meaning) to create a viable force or it could mean that the Sisters are used to bolster existing forces.

It is interesting in that they set a very limiting cap on the sie of the orders but left the door open for many
different interpretations.

The blurb leaves me wondering what GW classifies as lesser orders and to just how spread out they are going to be.

I still hold to my tens if not hundreds of millions of Sisters in the Imperium, myself...

Logistically, it makes much more sense to have more rather than less Sisters... as the Imperium is large, so is the Ecclesiarchy-- the two are almost nigh-inseparable to the common person. To have less than one sister per every ten thousand worlds is just plain stupid.

GW/=intellgence

@Melissia

Considering that C: WH mentions that sisters defend pilgrimage routes, fight wars of faith, bodyguard members of clergy and have a large presence on any world with Ecclesiarchy assets (Read: almost all of them).

There would have to be at least a hundred million Sisters.

Agreed. But with at least half of GW's writers being incompetent (see Black Library) as science fiction writers, they don't give us information that makes sense.

Melissia wrote:Agreed. But with at least half of GW's writers being incompetent (see Black Library) as science fiction writers, they don't give us information that makes sense.

the cake is a lie...

Melissia wrote:Agreed. But with at least half of GW's writers being incompetent (see Black Library) as science fiction writers, they don't give us information that makes sense.

Yikes. That's kind of a strong statement. I tend to like Black Library material.

I understand that 'if we were running things' there would never be a conflict in the fluff, continuity would plunge ever forward effortlessly and elves would come out of the forest and give us all flowers, but still...

I tend to dislike it to some extent or other. Hell, even though I like Sandy Mitchel, I hate how he depicts Sisters... he basically makes them out as religious retards incapable of understanding a tactical or strategic situation.

A similar problem is had with Wonder Woman in comics, very few writers seem to actually "get" her, even though her concept can be boield down into three words... "Spirit of Truth"...

I take it you haven't read the original wonder woman comics? Her concept can be boiled down to three words, sure, but they're "softcore bondage porn."

Actually I did... and that's what was on the covers in order to draw readers, but not necessarily the content.

The creator was in a polyamorous relationship with two women and had a strange idea about "loving submission" which I don't buy into, but they weren't the only one who worked on Wonder Woman...

Kinda like how Rob Liefeld may have created Deadpool technically, but he's too incompetent to have actually created Deadpool's personality.

WARBOSS TZOO wrote:I take it you haven't read the original wonder woman comics? Her concept can be boiled down to three words, sure, but they're "softcore bondage porn."

Zing!

I guess I haven't read his stuff. I've read F&F and Daemonifuge so far for sisters.

What books did the other guy put out?