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Sandy Mitchel is the one who did the awesome Ciaphas Cain series. However, in that series, Sisters are treated like idiots. Same with the Redemption Corps by Rob Sanders.

Melissia wrote:Actually I did... and that's what was on the covers in order to draw readers, but not necessarily the content.

The creator was in a polyamorous relationship with two women and had a strange idea about "loving submission" which I don't buy into, but they weren't the only one who worked on Wonder Woman...

Oh, we're talking about modern Wonder Woman.

Well then sure, I agree. She's damn hard to write. But that's really because people kept putting her up against things that honestly don't make any sense to me. She belongs in a Ray Harryhausen comic.

But then I always thought the idea that comics have to fit into a universe kind of stupid to be completely honest, which is probably why I stopped paying attention to them eight or nine years ago.

Kinda like how Rob Liefeld may have created Deadpool technically, but he's too incompetent to have actually created Deadpool's personality.

Did Deathstroke Deadpool even have a personality?

Well what's hilarious about GW's poor ability with Sci-Fi numbers if you read the Space Hulk rulebook it talks about how basically the entire Blood Angel's chapter dies trying to assault the hulk. Ultramarines freaked out just with their first company being killed by Tyranids but apparently Blood Angels really know the score.

CoughSisters ThreadCough

I'll read those two and get back to you on what I think.

They should make....... CHAOS SISTERS! Evil sisters whom summon daemons and have resolute faith in the dark gods.


Because everything is better with Chaos.

Slarg232 wrote:They should make....... CHAOS SISTERS! Evil sisters whom summon daemons and have resolute faith in the dark gods.


Because everything is better with Chaos.

Thanks for that. That's exactly what we need. Let me guess... Slanesh?

Sigh. Is there a facepalm orkmoticon?

pretre wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:They should make....... CHAOS SISTERS! Evil sisters whom summon daemons and have resolute faith in the dark gods.


Because everything is better with Chaos.

Thanks for that. That's exactly what we need. Let me guess... Slanesh?

Sigh. Is there a facepalm orkmoticon?

Slaanesh? Hell no.

Khorne, baby. Tell me you don't find it plausible that in their fury on behalf of the Emperor more than a few of the Sisters of Battle have gone rogue and become a disciple of the Blood God.

Only a single Sister has ever fallen to chaos, and I would like it to stay that way. Their being nigh-incorruptible is part of their charm.

Unfortunately, GW's writers are pervs, and made Mirael Sabathiel fall to worshipping Slaanesh...

Melissia wrote:Only a single Sister has ever fallen to chaos

Reference that doesn't read like propaganda?

Slaanesh? Hell no.

Khorne, baby. Tell me you don't find it plausible that in their fury on behalf of the Emperor more than a few of the Sisters of Battle have gone rogue and become a disciple of the Blood God.

Actually, I find it less plausible than the oft brought up Slaanesh connection. ("They are girls, so must fall to the sexy chaos god") sigh

I don't think of sisters having that kind of fury. Blood rage seems unlikely.


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WARBOSS TZOO wrote:

Melissia wrote:Only a single Sister has ever fallen to chaos

Reference that doesn't read like propaganda?

There's a few in Daemonifuge too. Unlikely that only one would ever fall.

What about during their Red Rage? Khorne cares not from where the blood flows...

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Slannesh Sister, name is Miriael Sabathiel. Only sister of battle to fall to chaos. Daemonifuge, doesn't count since they were possessed meaning it's against their will. To fall to chaos means you have to willingly join them. Only Miriael Sabathiel willingly joined chaos.

Wait, now that I think of it, burninating the world does kind of put a stop to the general flowing of blood that battle usually brings about.

Damnit, SoB models make great berzerkers. I can't make up my mind on this.

WARBOSS TZOO wrote:

Melissia wrote:Only a single Sister has ever fallen to chaos

Reference that doesn't read like propaganda?

Codex: Sisters of Battle.

That and Dark Heresy: Inquisitor's Handbook are the only references I really buy.

pretre wrote:I don't think of sisters having that kind of fury. Blood rage seems unlikely.

"Holy Hatred" anyone?

Melissia wrote:

WARBOSS TZOO wrote:

Melissia wrote:Only a single Sister has ever fallen to chaos

Reference that doesn't read like propaganda?

Codex: Sisters of Battle.

That and Dark Heresy: Inquisitor's Handbook are the only references I really buy.

Necrosis wrote:*points to avatar*
Slannesh Sister, name is Miriael Sabathiel. Only sister of battle to fall to chaos. Daemonifuge, doesn't count since they were possessed meaning it's against their will. To fall to chaos means you have to willingly join them. Only Miriael Sabathiel willingly joined chaos.

I just find it really ludicrous that in, what, four thousand years not more than one sister has fallen to chaos, when you guys maintain that there's more sisters than all of the space marines combined given everywhere they're supposed to have a presence.

Melissia wrote:"Holy Hatred" anyone?

I guess I'm weird, but I always thought of the Hatred as more methodical than rage-y.

But I don't. Marines are independent, they don't worship the Emperor, they have a sense of entitlement about it (it's what caused the Horus Heresy after all). There ARE sisters whose faith has faltered, and Sisters declared witches because of developing psychic powers or something similar (there's an example in the Radical's Handbook), and some Sisters declared heretics by some individual or other over the years, but none of them fell to true Chaos worship.


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pretre wrote:

Melissia wrote:"Holy Hatred" anyone?

I guess I'm weird, but I always thought of the Hatred as more methodical than rage-y.

It is, but hate is one of Khorne's domains. Just like despair is one of Nurgle's, but nurgle doesn't despair, himself.

WARBOSS TZOO wrote:
I just find it really ludicrous that in, what, four thousand years not more than one sister has fallen to chaos, when you guys maintain that there's more sisters than all of the space marines combined given everywhere they're supposed to have a presence.

Agreed. I think this is a lack of talking about it in the fluff rather than a conspicuous absence. Where does it say anywhere that they don't fall or that only one fell? (I just checked the Inq handbook and didn't see it.)

Melissia wrote:But I don't. Marines are independent, they don't worship the Emperor, they have a sense of entitlement about it (it's what caused the Horus Heresy after all).

You're treating Sisters like a planet of hats. Yes, by definition they worship the Emperor. I see nothing to say that a Sister couldn't be tricked into thinking that a demonic presence wasn't in fact a sign of the Emperor, and becoming convinced over time to follow this presence, and by extension, Chaos. They aren't Grey Knights, after all.

Read the rest of my post.

pretre wrote:

WARBOSS TZOO wrote:
I just find it really ludicrous that in, what, four thousand years not more than one sister has fallen to chaos, when you guys maintain that there's more sisters than all of the space marines combined given everywhere they're supposed to have a presence.

Agreed. I think this is a lack of talking about it in the fluff rather than a conspicuous absence. Where does it say anywhere that they don't fall or that only one fell? (I just checked the Inq handbook and didn't see it.)

Trading card

Melissia wrote:Read the rest of my post.

I mean, I've never seen any fluff where a Rainbow Warrior SM fell to Chaos. Does that mean RW SM are immune to Chaos Taint by the same logic?

WARBOSS TZOO wrote:

I just find it really ludicrous that in, what, four thousand years not more than one sister has fallen to chaos, when you guys maintain that there's more sisters than all of the space marines combined given everywhere they're supposed to have a presence.

It's what makes sisters special and unique. Their faith in the Emperor is so strong that suddenly their bolters rend and their armour save become invulnerable...etc. They see Death for the Emperor as the highest achievement one can attain, hence why they have the martyr rule.

It's in Codex: Sisters of Battle, as I said.

To quote:

A sign of the Sisters strength is the fact that in their entire history only a single sister, Miriael Sabathiel, has fallen to the lure of Chaos. How Miriael fell is unknown, only that she was turned from the Emperor's light to Slaanesh worship, and now serves as one of the prince of chaos' greatest warriors.

pretre wrote:I mean, I've never seen any fluff where a Rainbow Warrior SM fell to Chaos. Does that mean RW SM are immune to Chaos Taint by the same logic?

The comparison is ludicrous and stupid.

The Rainbow Warriors do not exist anymore, for one, and for two, there is nothing saying they have not. There IS fluff saying that only a single Sister has fallen.

Ixquic wrote:
Trading card

What?

There's a trading card that says they are immune to Chaos and we're gonna use that?

Pic or GTFO

Melissia wrote:But I don't. Marines are independent, they don't worship the Emperor, they have a sense of entitlement about it (it's what caused the Horus Heresy after all). There ARE sisters whose faith has faltered, and Sisters declared witches because of developing psychic powers or something similar (there's an example in the Radical's Handbook), and some Sisters declared heretics by some individual or other over the years, but none of them fell to true Chaos worship.

If it looks like a No True Scotsman, and sounds like a No True Scotsman, and walks like a No True Scotsman...

Why are none of those considered true chaos worship?

Because through all of it, they still worshipped the Emperor, not the Dark Gods of Chaos.

Necrosis wrote:

WARBOSS TZOO wrote:

I just find it really ludicrous that in, what, four thousand years not more than one sister has fallen to chaos, when you guys maintain that there's more sisters than all of the space marines combined given everywhere they're supposed to have a presence.

It's what makes sisters special and unique.

No, it's what makes Grey Knights special and unique, because there has never been a Grey Knight that fell to worshipping Chaos. It's kind of their shtick.

Their faith in the Emperor is so strong that suddenly their bolters rend and their armour save become invulnerable...etc. They see Death for the Emperor as the highest achievement one can attain, hence why they have the martyr rule.

It's honestly arguable that faith points represent a chaos deity granting them boons in response to their worship.

Melissia wrote:It's in Codex: Sisters of Battle, as I said.

To quote:

A sign of the Sisters strength is the fact that in their entire history only a single sister, Miriael Sabathiel, has fallen to the lure of Chaos. How Miriael fell is unknown, only that she was turned from the Emperor's light to Slaanesh worship, and now serves as one of the prince of chaos' greatest warriors.

Page #, I just searched all of Codex: SoB 2nd edition and the Miriael doesn't exist in it. Neither does Slaanesh.