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But at least this means you'll be able to say "I was into Dark Eldar before they became the next big thing!"

That could be me John

I am looking forward to a new codex that doesn't makes the DE overpowered but gives some enhancements so they have a fair chance.

Won't be getting the new models purely on the grounds of budget and time contraints. Both are sorely overstretched hiobbywise as it is!

However am looking forward to seeing the new minis.
The bandwagaon phenomena will be a blip till the next best new thing turns up.

The only reason I didn't start with Dark Eldar, when I recently joined the Hobby, is because the Miniatures were in need of refreshment, and the Codex was FUBAR. (Hm... I wonder if that displays as an anagram. ). Anyways, I know what I'm doing come Christmas Time.

Are there actually any Mini Pictures yet?

its time dey get a new codex.
but still won't play dem .

Who cares if people jump on the bandwagon?

In fact, if you DON'T want your army to get Squatted, you should hope that LOTS of people jump on the bandwagon!

You wont even be able to compare old DE vs new DE imo.. Sure people will jump on the bandwagon but it seemed almost like self-torture to be one of the few who played them in the past :p

Everytime Id look at those models I wanted to cut out my eyes.. Even Opus Dei would consider the punishment of using those models too severe!


On another note - I agree completely with Alpharius. DE was in major danger of just being dropped all together and GW is taking a gamble by bothering to release them. If you want more updates you better hope lots of people play them

Melissia wrote:But at least this means you'll be able to say "I was into Dark Eldar before they became the next big thing!"

Hell yeah, 70 Warriors (6 splinter cannons, 6 dark lances), 10 Wyches, 3 Raiders, 2 Ravagers, 5 Scourge (splinter cannons), 7 Reave jetbikes, 10 Wyches, Talos. 8 Incubi, Drazhar, Urien Rakarth, and a Archon modeled out of a dark elves sorccerers, ready to be remodeled, painted an so on with the new codex =3 (first codex I got, first army and so on, oh 1999)

quietus86 wrote:its time dey get a new codex.
but still won't play dem .

Yes indeed, Marine players cannot stomach us, *sips some delicious soultea* omnomnom

Kirasu wrote:You wont even be able to compare old DE vs new DE imo.. Sure people will jump on the bandwagon but it seemed almost like self-torture to be one of the few who played them in the past :p
On another note - I agree completely with Alpharius. DE was in major danger of just being dropped all together and GW is taking a gamble by bothering to release them. If you want more updates you better hope lots of people play them

Mm, propably not be able to compare, propably not even in rules. I hope they will keep the Open-toped raiders for swift assaults. They actualy need to add some survivability to the army. I don't think we'll get a superfragile force as before, but time will tell.
It was good that Eye of Terror campaign came about, it was mostly due to our (DE players) numerous participation helped us for not being poked out of the map =)

Dashofpepper wrote:I can honestly say that I'm not looking forward to a new DE codex. :(

Part of the reason I chose DE is because no one plays them - with a new codex, all the FOTM bandwagon brats are going to jump onto the latest and greatest, and my army isn't going to be a unique oddity at a tournament anymore.

Haven't you only started playing 40k a few years ago?

Do you really think you have the seniority to talk about "your" esoteric army, and how you don't want the brats jumping on "your" bandwagon?

I'm pretty sure YOU jumped on OUR bandwagon.

Drop the elitism, especially if you don't have the experience to back it up?

I want DE to look like eldar.. I have 12k of eldar so Id prefer just to proxy, then photoshop them later so they look evil

But if the models are super sweet (a notch above "whoa") Ill buy them.. Not much difference between Eldar and goth eldar esp if goodwin is sculpting them

Defiler: Agreed about the above!

And from up here, those models look pretty good!

Oh yeah:

Coloured version of picture in Rulebook. Dunno if it's only fanmade though.

Anyone else seeing some kind of dark "monster" between the raiders? I didn't notice it before but now that someone colored it I can see it. It's probably a shadow or someone just put it there to mess with us.

Ah I see what it is, a Hellion, http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440235a&prodId=prod1050234
see? =3

Maybe I don't see the board, and hellions are suppose to be wyches. After looking at it again its probably another warrior jumping off, I just kinda glanced at it before thought it looked pretty big but I think its just a warrior now.

I wonder what the guys with the backpacks are. Grotesques?
I wonder if there will be any boxes that can cross over with eldar. For example, a "dark wraithguard" plastic set would be outstanding. Plastic Harlequins would also be great.

Pretty sure dark eldar dont use the technology required to produce wraithguard or wraithlords, nor the psychic ability.. As for harlequins... the metal kit makes astounding models I seriously dont see why GW would produce plastic kits for great models

After all they have to fix the ENTIRE DE range already to worry about 'quins!

That's very similiar to what I have:

Archon + 9 man Incubi retinue 1 Raider
Drachon + 9 man Incubi retinue
3 Haemonoculi
10 Mandrakes (Made from warriors)
10 Wyches 1 Raider
9 Grotesques
20 Warriors
30 Warriors on 3 Raiders
(60 unpainted warrirors 1 Raider in the works heavily converted)
10 Reavers
3 Hellions
2 Ravagers
2 Talos

Kirasu wrote:Pretty sure dark eldar dont use the technology required to produce wraithguard or wraithlords, nor the psychic ability..

As for harlequins... the metal kit makes astounding models I seriously dont see why GW would produce plastic kits for great models

Dark Eldar use the same basic soul "technology" as every other Eldar, the difference is the host:
- (Craftworld) Eldar use psychoactive crystal wraithbone and spirit stones to host souls.
- Exodite Eldar use stone circles and so on
- Dark Eldar use their bodies

Similarly, Dark Eldar have the same Psyker potential, but the lack the Rune technology to use it safely. I expect some unit expansion here, seeing how IG got PBS out of nowhere...

Seems then without the wraithbone they cant make wraithlords or wraithguard which is all i was saying

Im sure they'll get new units just dont expect "dark wraithguard".. Honestly i wish they'd rename Dark eldar while they're at it, such a horribly uncreative name just like Dark Elves and wood elves

By those naming conventions Bretonnia should just be named "Horse empire" or have vampire counts be "Vampire Undead" and tomb kings be "Egyptian Undead".. There has gotta be some better names out there!

Kirasu wrote:Seems then without the wraithbone they cant make wraithlords or wraithguard which is all i was saying

dont expect "dark wraithguard"..

Honestly i wish they'd rename Dark eldar while they're at it, such a horribly uncreative name just like Dark Elves and wood elves

Bretonnia should just be named "Horse empire" or

have vampire counts be "Vampire Undead" and tomb kings be "Egyptian Undead".. There has gotta be some better names out there!

Exactly. No wraithstuffs, because that ain't how DE work.

I could easily see a Dark Ogryn or Dark Battlesuit filling the Wraithguard / Terminator slot.

Agreed. "Chaos Eldar" has such a better ring to it.

"Horsey Empire", yes.

Nah, "Egypt" doesn't exist in the Old World. Try "Wet Undead" and "Dry Undead" - it's more apt.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Dashofpepper wrote:Part of the reason I chose DE is because no one plays them - with a new codex, all the FOTM bandwagon brats are going to jump onto the latest and greatest, and my army isn't going to be a unique oddity at a tournament anymore.

Sure it will.

You'll be the guy with the crappy Morley models when everybody else has the sexy Goodwin models...

Go you!

Burn, lol.

I like the current models for the most part, so maybe I can pick up a DE army on the cheap with the new codex. I played DE at the beginning of 3rd, but I kept breaking the models....I hope they fix that.

Luthon1234 wrote:Maybe I don't see the board, and hellions are suppose to be wyches. After looking at it again its probably another warrior jumping off, I just kinda glanced at it before thought it looked pretty big but I think its just a warrior now.

if you look on the black and white picture in the rulebook you still see a skyboard guy there.

No speculation on the guys with goggles and backpacks in the lower part of the famous picture? They don't look like anything in the current DE range.

Dark eldar do use captured wraithbone, (Terrorfex) at least.

I reckon the backpack contains a net. Are those dudes Haemunculi?

Maybe the guys want a game of soccer and the IG are on the DE's pitch? Or are the nets for dragging off captives?

I've been wanting to start DE for a long time but have been waiting for new models. Now the codex is about to arrive I'm really worried that they won't feel the same, tactically and strategically speaking, with the new codex as they did with the old.

I feel like DE has a (deserved) reputation as a hard army to play where poor choices can result in utter collapse and ruin but good choices result in devastating success. With IG my other main army I really want something that plays in that sort of micro-managed, all-or-nothing way ... hope they keep that feeling :/

GWS took Orkz from 3rd edition straight into 5th, without losing much - if any feeling.

I don't think this is something they can afford to mess up, and probably spent a lot of time balancing the new stuff versus the crusty old gamers who would throw a fit if a statline was changed or a weapon acted differently.

It is getting really annoying now. There has been substantial news on the first page.

Yes it is getting really annoying now. There's some information on page 1 and then page after page after that of useless..., well, I already covered that. That was my point, not that there was no information in the topic at all, but that there was no uesful information in 90% or better of it by the point in the thread where I made the comment.

DE threads get started in anticipation of the influx of news that commonly trickles in during the months before any new release.
But this doesn't seem to be happening for DE. These threads drone on repeating the same sentiments ad nauseum because they give nobody anything to talk about. We can't even express opinions because we all know that we don't know anything! The only part of this conversation that has changed in the past 5 years is the surety that the release is happening.

On the other hand, there's not much point in locking these threads because another will pop up a couple days later.

Personally, at this point, I couldn't care less about new rules or release wave schedules.


All I want are pictures.

All I want are pictures.

The Dakka moderators & other established posters were keen on shouting down people who cried salt about the Dark Eldar already in early May. These people told me back then that the studio would be releasing pictures within a month. I'm still waiting. Don't hold your breath.

BrassScorpion wrote:

It is getting really annoying now. There has been substantial news on the first page.

Yes it is getting really annoying now. There's some information on page 1 and then page after page after that of useless..., well, I already covered that.

One page with news&rumour and 4 pages without is above average on Dakka
To be fair, we don't get substantial news every day.