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The 40k aesthetic isn't "crappy looking models". Putting the "realism" issue aside, the warriors especially just look terrible with their current design.

That was never what was being discussed in the comments to which I was responding or in my responses. Quality of the execution is a different issue than the basic concept of the art design of the models.

Is 6 plastic boxes a record for a new army? I've been thinking about it and I can't remember any release getting so much plastic support all at once.

6 new plastic boxes does seem high, but they've been working on them...

...forever!

So, maybe?

Plus, it is all Jes Goodwin stuff, right?

No better way to make a BIG splash than to go REAL big at the start.

Maybe!

I hope!

Jes Goodwin is single-handedly repsonsible for a huge portion of my GW purchases over the years and I told him so when he visited the US for Games Day a few years ago. No matter how little I actually need more models at certain times, if Goodwin sculpts something I nearly always want to collect, build and paint it. His work is just brilliant. It will be great to see what he does with the Dark Eldar range.

BrassScorpion wrote:Not much point to argue for realism in a particular model range without looking at the game's aesthetic sensibilities as a whole.

Let's not confuse realism and believability.


Private Boneshardy McLoincloth here is not a realistic soldier. I can however, believe that he is what Dark Eldar are supposed to be in the 40K mythos. Therefore, it is a good design.


Dark Lord Dookiepants is not a realistic soldier. Nor is be believable as the most powerful space elf in a cabal of other evil space elfs. He looks like he stayed up all night gluing some poor schmuck's face to his helmet just to be extra (x2) scary. I can see him having to interrupt his own orders every couple of minutes to sit down because his shoulder pads and GIANT DUNCE CAP OF DOOM WITH SCARY SPIKES is giving him lower back pain. So then he sits down and tries to adjust his facemask face because the glue came loose after that last round of las-fire his unit took and now he can't see. So he reaches up and is all like, "OH ! I FORGOT I'M EDWARD SCISSORHAND!" So then the evil space elfs have to retreat because their commander stabbed himself in the brain again and instead of telling them where to strike is just sitting there saying, "bibblebibblebibblebibbleThatRazorgorModelLooksSweetBibble."

No one really wants Warhammer to be realistic. But asking for it to be believable is totally fair.

The Crippler wrote:Is 6 plastic boxes a record for a new army? I've been thinking about it and I can't remember any release getting so much plastic support all at once.

Happens when the boss of the plastic department, Jes Goodwin, is given free hand. And 6 new plastic boxes in 12 years doesn't sound record breaking

JOHIRA wrote:Private Boneshardy McLoincloth here is not a realistic soldier. I can however, believe that he is what Dark Eldar are supposed to be in the 40K mythos. Therefore, it is a good design.

I am not sure how" realistic Space Elves" look but the design has evolved a bit since this pic.

JOHIRA wrote:Dark Lord Dookiepants is not a realistic soldier. Nor is be believable as the most powerful space elf in a cabal of other evil space elfs. He looks like he stayed up all night gluing some poor schmuck's face to his helmet just to be extra (x2) scary. I can see him having to interrupt his own orders every couple of minutes to sit down because his shoulder pads and GIANT DUNCE CAP OF DOOM WITH SCARY SPIKES is giving him lower back pain. So then he sits down and tries to adjust his facemask face because the glue came loose after that last round of las-fire his unit took and now he can't see. So he reaches up and is all like, "OH ! I FORGOT I'M EDWARD SCISSORHAND!" So then the evil space elfs have to retreat because their commander stabbed himself in the brain again and instead of telling them where to strike is just sitting there saying, "bibblebibblebibblebibbleThatRazorgorModelLooksSweetBibble."

Wonderful!

Johira is spot on imho.

Apart from evil nastiness the other characteristic of DE is speed. No NOT amylnitrate, but sheer zoomobility.

Acheron looks like he just got up with a raging hangover and is begging for the first cigarette of the day.
(Note to our American friends, cigarette is a slang word for a cigarette, though with DE you may be forgiven for taking an alternative meaning.)

Fleet of foot?
He's gonna go arse over tip as soon as he tries to walk!

The design ought reflect the main characteristics of the army imho

People are using the term "realism" but surely the point is that it is possible to synthesise the nature of the race with imagination, a degree of practicality and the cool factor.

Even if the next incoming is DE I wouldn't put it past GW to squat DE when the release date comes and release GK's instead

Dear Sweet Jeebus: Please let Jes have had the foresight to make the new Dark Eldar plastics be largely compatible with the WHFB Dark Elf plastics (the Corsairs especially).

Sincerely, A Soon-to-be-poverty-stricken Gamer

Let's not confuse realism and believability.

Yeah, let's not do that. One guy with ridiculous horns on his helmet is no more or less believable than another in a game full of guys with giant horns on their helmets.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:
Acheron looks like he just got up with a raging hangover and is begging for the first cigarette of the day.
(Note to our American friends, cigarette is a slang word for a cigarette, though with DE you may be forgiven for taking an alternative meaning.)

Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:
People are using the term "realism" but surely the point is that it is possible to synthesise the nature of the race with imagination, a degree of practicality and the cool factor.

This is truth. CW Eldar have evolved over the years and retained their theme while having it updated and revised. I too hope that the dark elf plastics are compatible with dark eldar and that the new dark eldar models are similar enough to at least some eldar models to make converting possibilities available.

The word your looking for is suspension of disbelief. Good fiction tricks your imagination into thinking something that doesn't exist could in our world, like a well sculptured space elf. Bad fiction, like dark eldar models, just make you giggle at the absurdity

I have a Dark Eldar army and am interested in seeing what the newest version of the army will bring, but I could almost hope the Dark Eldar release never materializes for one simple reason. The whining about everything there is to discuss about them, from appearance to game play and of course how long it's taken to revise them, is again reaching fever pitch. Once pictures of the actual models are released and the Codex is revealed the complaining from those overzealous fans whose expectations are not met will likely explode like Krakatoa, showering the gaming community with the ichor that is their hatred of everything GW does.

Now, does anyone have any actual news or substantive rumors about this release? If not, the MODS will hopefully kill off this thread until something newsworthy materializes down the road, in which a case new thread and a new bout of complaining can begin.

Like the whining and disappointment expressed over the new High Elves and Skaven?

If they are good they will be well received. Not everyone will be impressed but that is fair enough if people genuinely find the models are not to their tastes.

Share some of the love from that satellite of yours

Talk about being a wet blanket

Yeah, I tend to agree that while there's always complaining, there's been plenty of people going ga-ga for their models in recent years. Even on dour old Dakka. The gushing over the Space Hulk plastics alone would fill Lake Erie.

BrassScorpion wrote:

Let's not confuse realism and believability.

Yeah, let's not do that. One guy with ridiculous horns on his helmet is no more or less believable than another in a game full of guys with giant horns on their helmets.

I don't agree. I follow schoolground rules of laugh at the guy with the biggest horns on his hat. It's too mad Nagash went into hiding.

Seriously though, look at 2nd edition craftworld Eldar compared to the present Eldar. They've evolved quite a lot. I look forward to the Dark Eldar models evolving just as much.

gorgon wrote:Yeah, I tend to agree that while there's always complaining, there's been plenty of people going ga-ga for their models in recent years. Even on dour old Dakka. The gushing over the Space Hulk plastics alone would fill Lake Erie.

Was it the gushing or the plastic that filled Lake Erie?

Come on, you know those were limited edition. Wouldn't even fill one of the finger lakes.

Now Space Marine plastics, that's another story (looking at Lake Superior...)

BrassScorpion wrote:Now, does anyone have any actual news or substantive rumors about this release? If not, the MODS will hopefully kill off this thread until something newsworthy materializes down the road, in which a case new thread and a new bout of complaining can begin.

It is getting really annoying now. There has been substantial news on the first page. I even repeated it for a lazy reader on page 3. If you are unable to find the info in only 4 pages, I am really sorry for you, but please stop discrediting this thread as it is not our fault but yours.

6 plastic boxes, 2 metal boxes and 3 blisters plus one specialty item: News taken from the GW website -> major news.
Next waves January and March -> major rumours by former Warseer mod "Avian".

Edit: Hmm where is JohnHwangDD's post, that doubted the news content and that I was responding to?

I was never really a fan of the Dark Eldar.. same as I've never been a fan of Dark Evles.. or any sortve "Dark X" unit that seems to fill the niche for the more angsty players who like the evil side of things because it's edgy.

(Note: Not accusing DE players of being Twilight obsessed emo kids.. although I had to take a stab at my rival faction. ^_^ )

See: Vampire the Masquerade.

That said - I do think they had a nice backstory, their perversion and fall from grace. They are a lot deeper than the average "Dark X."

THAT said.. I think they got jipped in their codex fluff, which is fairly important to me for whatever reason. I hope the next codex does allow them to field Harlequins, as the Eldar Codex alluded to Harlies being a go between for the two races. Perhaps the Laughing God sees Eldar as Eldar, dark or not?

Im quite excited to see how they do with these models and book

Sorry, but they're all sold out at the Warstore. Maybe they'll do a rerelease for the DE.

JOHIRA wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote:Not much point to argue for realism in a particular model range without looking at the game's aesthetic sensibilities as a whole.

Let's not confuse realism and believability.


Private Boneshardy McLoincloth here is not a realistic soldier. I can however, believe that he is what Dark Eldar are supposed to be in the 40K mythos. Therefore, it is a good design.


Dark Lord Dookiepants is not a realistic soldier. Nor is be believable as the most powerful space elf in a cabal of other evil space elfs. He looks like he stayed up all night gluing some poor schmuck's face to his helmet just to be extra (x2) scary. I can see him having to interrupt his own orders every couple of minutes to sit down because his shoulder pads and GIANT DUNCE CAP OF DOOM WITH SCARY SPIKES is giving him lower back pain. So then he sits down and tries to adjust his facemask face because the glue came loose after that last round of las-fire his unit took and now he can't see. So he reaches up and is all like, "OH ! I FORGOT I'M EDWARD SCISSORHAND!" So then the evil space elfs have to retreat because their commander stabbed himself in the brain again and instead of telling them where to strike is just sitting there saying, "bibblebibblebibblebibbleThatRazorgorModelLooksSweetBibble."

No one really wants Warhammer to be realistic. But asking for it to be believable is totally fair.

You made me lol really hard

On topic, I really hope they get new Dark Eldar stuff soon. They (along with Tau) are the most interesting armies to me in 40k and if the codex is good I might start a Dark Eldar army. Even if I don't start one, considering the time this codex has languished in obscurity, I hope they are top tier, right near the tip.

Ahaha.. that was the best thing I've ever read on Dakka...My face hurts from laughing.

Johira = Awesome.

I can honestly say that I'm not looking forward to a new DE codex. :(

Part of the reason I chose DE is because no one plays them - with a new codex, all the FOTM bandwagon brats are going to jump onto the latest and greatest, and my army isn't going to be a unique oddity at a tournament anymore.

Dashofpepper wrote:Part of the reason I chose DE is because no one plays them - with a new codex, all the FOTM bandwagon brats are going to jump onto the latest and greatest, and my army isn't going to be a unique oddity at a tournament anymore.

Sure it will.

You'll be the guy with the crappy Morley models when everybody else has the sexy Goodwin models...

Go you!