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**FlammingGaunt**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
IHEARTLARGEBLASTTEMPLATES wrote:I hope this is true hopefully more people will play DE. and i love the models that show their boobs!

Too bad they're all going to be man-boobs for you to love...

nice one

**Ennkay**

JOHIRA wrote:If Wyches are gladiators intended to show the level of debauchery in Dark Elf society, then to an extent I think their costumes are appropriate. The are fairly close to our society's debauched gladiators- pro-wrestlers. And they're basically showing off as much skin as they can while still maintaining support and protection for their vulnerable bits. They should titilate without exposing themselves, because full-on exposure makes them vulnerable and more likely to lose their next match.

The big problem with the old wyches wasn't the design for the most part (though the hair was definitely over-the-top) but the execution. The faces are frequently messed up (look at GW's website, in the group wych picture the one in the bottom left corner with her gun gangster-style), their skin is lumpy (remember that wych-butt cheek closeup from that video they made for the last campaign), and the spikes and blades on their armour is just way too big and clumsy. I'm convident that with Jes on plastics many of those problems will be solved.

**generalgrog**

Johhnywang....why oh why...did you unleash that image upon DAKKA.

My image of Sean Connery is forever tarnished now.

for shame......for shame.

GG

**JohnHwangDD**

@gg: I'm not the first to have posted it on Dakka

**Kroothawk**

generalgrog wrote:Johhnywang....why oh why...did you unleash that image upon DAKKA.
My image of Sean Connery is forever tarnished now.
for shame......for shame.
GG

The movie is even worse. Sean Connery wanted to get rid of his image as the elegant British spy. He succeeded

**His Master's Voice**

generalgrog wrote:Johhnywang....why oh why...did you unleash that image upon DAKKA.

My image of Sean Connery is forever tarnished now.

for shame......for shame.

GG

That picture is a classic. I'm surprised you haven't seen it before, here on Dakka.

**AlexHolker**

I'm hesitantly optimistic. If they do a good job on the hypothetical plastic Wyches, I reckon I'll buy a box.

JOHIRA wrote:They should titilate without exposing themselves, because full-on exposure makes them vulnerable and more likely to lose their next match.

Special rule: My [del]Face[/del]Knife Is Up Here?

**Farmer**

His Master's Voice wrote:
generalgrog wrote:Johhnywang....why oh why...did you unleash that image upon DAKKA.

My image of Sean Connery is forever tarnished now.

for shame......for shame.

GG

That picture is a classic. I'm surprised you haven't seen it before, here on Dakka.

Why ? does everyone post pictures of half naked men on dakka dakka? or am i on the wrong site

**His Master's Voice**

Har, har, watch out or you'll bash your brain out with that facepalm...

**Alpharius**

No, you're on the right site, and with a good point.

Let's get this thread back on topic, OK?

**Skarboy**

Farmer wrote:
His Master's Voice wrote:
generalgrog wrote:Johhnywang....why oh why...did you unleash that image upon DAKKA.

My image of Sean Connery is forever tarnished now.

for shame......for shame.

GG

That picture is a classic. I'm surprised you haven't seen it before, here on Dakka.

Why ? does everyone post pictures of half naked men on dakka dakka? or am i on the wrong site

Depends. Are you looking for MORE pictures of half naked men? Pictures of full naked men? Give us a clue and I'm sure someone can get you to the site you're looking for.

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Ennkay wrote:

GOD, those were awful sculpts. Does GW even have to wonder why DE sold like warm piss? Look no further.

**Alpharius**

Alpharius wrote:No, you're on the right site, and with a good point.

Let's get this thread back on topic, OK?

No, really.

**plastictrees**

Personally I'm hoping the new models are barely related visually to the old ones, in quality or style.

Deadly hit and run raiders shouldn't wear four foot tall helmets. That is all.

**Fishboy**

Heh Alph love the "hint" heh.

I am a little concerned that with the verbal descriptions the new warriors sound eerily similar to the old ones. God I can not wait for pics....

**BrassScorpion**

Deadly hit and run raiders shouldn't wear four foot tall helmets. That is all.

And elite super-human warriors should be smart enough not to wear bright red or yellow armor or flowing light color robes into battle. It's a fantasy game, full of ridiculous comic-book type physics and sensibilities. Not much point to argue for realism in a particular model range without looking at the game's aesthetic sensibilities as a whole.

**plastictrees**

BrassScorpion wrote:
Deadly hit and run raiders shouldn't wear four foot tall helmets. That is all.
And elite super-human warriors should be smart enough not to wear bright red or yellow armor or flowing light color robes into battle. It's a fantasy game, full of ridiculous comic-book type physics and sensibilities. It's always amusing when people try and argue for realism in a particular model range without looking at the game's aesthetic sensibilities as a whole.

Glad I could amuse you, I hope you were at least wearing a hilarious fake moustache when you typed "aesthetic sensibilities" in reference to an evil space elf discussion.

Deadly hit and run raiders shouldn't wear four foot tall helmets because they make stupid looking models. Being a fantasy game doesn't excuse unappealing character design. If Jes can give them huge helmets as part of being great looking models then I will have no problem with the hugeness or the helmetness.

GW has set a precedent on stupid hat crackdowns (chaos dwarves) and will hopefully do so again.

**BrassScorpion**

When I said "aesthetic sensibilities" I was referring to those built into the model ranges by GW, not of the fictional character supposedly wearing the stuff, but then, the phrase works there too. How the models are dressed is part of the 40K lore and tall helmets have always been part of the Eldar/Elf lore created by GW, so arguing about how one hates it is kind of like shouting at the wind, isn't it?

That's not likely to suddenly change, it's got 20 years of history and customer expectations behind it now and GW doesn't just suddenly make huge aesthetic changes to their signature art designs do they? People who play Blood Angels but don't like red paint them differently. If you play Eldar and don't like tall helmets it's time to convert.

**Chibi Bodge-Battle**

BrassScorpion wrote:
Deadly hit and run raiders shouldn't wear four foot tall helmets. That is all.
And elite super-human warriors should be smart enough not to wear bright red or yellow armor or flowing light color robes into battle. It's a fantasy game, full of ridiculous comic-book type physics and sensibilities. Not much point to argue for realism in a particular model range without looking at the game's aesthetic sensibilities as a whole.

Yeah but he has a point.

You want to avoid becoming a DE slave?
Easy, hide in a small space

There's tall stylised pointy headgear and then there is plain silly!

**Crazy_Carnifex**

Guys, the tall pointy headgear serves a very important purpose. It is so when the Raiders inevitable crash, the Warriors are turned into visoius projectiles.

**BrassScorpion**

The pointy helmets make as much sense as the rest of the game*, but the cool fantasy and "retro" look of a lot of the stuff is what has made it popular. GW would be insane to change the look of its models suddenly. People who want realism can play historical miniatures, it's not what Warhammer is about. Warhammer has never been about realism.

Arguments for increased realism are, in a word, unrealistic. GW is not going to alienate the majority of its customer base for a few disgruntled people complaining on the Internet.

*like tanks without sloped armor, brightly colored armor, people wearing skimpy outfits with no armor, guns that have the same effect whether they are huge on a vehicle or small and man-portable, flying machines that aren't streamlined...

**Alpharius**

I knew this thread wasn't going to make it even close to the DE release, never mind the 'sneak peak' release, but at this rate...

**JohnHwangDD**

Alpharius wrote:I knew this thread wasn't going to make it even close to the DE release, never mind the 'sneak peak' release, but at this rate...

That's because there aren't any actual news or rumors here...

**Relapse**

Kid_Kyoto wrote:That's a shame, fans resoundingly rejected the DE years ago, I would hope GW would know better than to throw good money after bad.

Those rejected DE won me a lot of tournaments, though.

**plastictrees**

BrassScorpion wrote:The pointy helmets make as much sense as the rest of the game*, but the cool fantasy and "retro" look of a lot of the stuff is what has made it popular. GW would be insane to change the look of its models suddenly. People who want realism can play historical miniatures, it's not what Warhammer is about. Warhammer has never been about realism.

Arguments for increased realism are, in a word, unrealistic. GW is not going to alienate the majority of its customer base for a few disgruntled people complaining on the Internet.

*like tanks without sloped armor, brightly colored armor, people wearing skimpy outfits with no armor, guns that have the same effect whether they are huge on a vehicle or small and man-portable, flying machines that aren't streamlined...

What? The 40k aesthetic isn't "crappy looking models". Putting the "realism" issue aside, the warriors especially just look terrible with their current design. GW aren't going to alienate anyone by changing the look of models no-one wanted to buy.

Personally I'm looking forward to seeing Jes came up with and I hope he burnt the old Dark Eldar visuals to the ground, or at least down the "Eldar pirates" and built from there.

**MadCowCrazy**

I hope Mandrakes have the Hidden Deployment rule in the new codex. For those that dont know you place 3 models anywhere in your deployment zone, they dont need to be put together. Until turn 3 or before if you want they cannot be attacked or interacted with in any way. They can only do their 6" move every turn unless you reveal them.

Anyways, instead of putting down 3 mandrakes Im going to print out this picture and glue it to some 25mm bases.

**Kroothawk**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Alpharius wrote:I knew this thread wasn't going to make it even close to the DE release, never mind the 'sneak peak' release, but at this rate...

That's because there aren't any actual news or rumors here...

An update on the rumours/news in this thread:
3 metal blisters
2 (not 3) metal boxes
6 plastic boxes
One special limited item linked to DE (like the Ork resin barricades were)
1.5 wave in January, 2nd wave March.
Codex by Phil Kelly.
(old rumours: Yakface gave us splinter rifle rules, Waaagh_Gonads the look of the warriors).

**Luthon1234**

Kroothawk wrote:
JohnHwangDD wrote:
Alpharius wrote:I knew this thread wasn't going to make it even close to the DE release, never mind the 'sneak peak' release, but at this rate...

1.5 wave in January, 2nd wave March.

So it will be a 1st wave in November then a 1.5 wave in Jan and a 2nd wave in March?

**Alpharius**

While I'm glad they're coming, I'm sad that the October release date has slipped and will be missed!

**Luthon1234**

Alpharius wrote:While I'm glad they're coming, I'm sad that the October release date has slipped and will be missed!

I really wanted a september release but a release is better than "next year" any day.

**Kroothawk**

Pushing High Elves in October with a new second wave of models is fine with me