The Dark Eldar thread...

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**aka_mythos**

Wyches as troops is pretty much solves a number of things for GW... the lack of second troop choice, the fact that plastic box for the unit would need to justify cost.

**JohnHwangDD**

Luthon1234 wrote:
JohnHwangDD wrote:
Luthon1234 wrote:those harlie models are disgusting to and just watch they'll be better CC specialist than wyches.

Harlequins *should* be better CC specialists than Wyches.

Why's that?

Wyches are Troops. Harlequins are Elites.

**Brother SRM**

Kroothawk wrote:
Brother SRM wrote:Some dude on Warseer says Harlequins are in the book.
Now I have to go scrub my eyes off for going to Warseer.

Kroothawk in post #9 of this thread wrote:Harlequins seem to be in (hoping for solitaire ), DE Avatar not so much.

No way, are you sure?

Whoop, sorry dude. I'm pretty good about catching things like that, but I haven't gone back and read page 1 since this thread started. If only I remembered you posted that tidbit, then I never would have had to go to that awful place...

**Dashofpepper**

WarOne wrote:I'm picking up some Dark Eldar to give the army a whirl, so anything they update with a new codex is extra gravy for me...

And Defiler and Dash, how about we take the abuse and debasement of one another to PMs? You are both getting upset over one another and moderation may have to be dragged in to situate you two in opposite corners.

For respect of each other and Dakka, please discontinue eroding this thread into an argument.

Yeah well....HE STARTED IT!

**Sarigar**

I'll join the bandwagon if this codex is decently written and has lots of Jes Goodwin designed models. The horrible model line is what's kept me away from the DE for the past 10+ years.

**Sidstyler**

Dash - Maybe take a leap from DE to another dusty army like Tau or Necrons or Daemonhunters?

Could I call him a "bandwagon jumper" then, since I've been playing Tau since I got into 40k?

Point is there's no wrong reason to drop phat cash stacks on an army, but to tell someone they shouldnt play said army because they don't truly "care about DE at all" is sortve out there and fanboyish/elitist.

Just for the record, I understand if lack of popularity piques someone's interest in an army, but I personally think you shouldn't start one up just to be different. I'd never play an army I hated the look and feel of just because no one else is playing them, that's a guaranteed waste of money because you'll either get bored from lack of updates, lack of skill with said army, or in Dash's case when they finally do get an update and you're not the only one playing them anymore.

I just don't see why it matters. If you're good enough then it won't matter how many people start playing DE, you'll still beat them because you've had more experience. And after a while the "bandwagoners" will eBay their armies anyway, so you only have to put up with it for a short while after the release and then you're alone again. I hesitate to call them "bandwagoners" though, not only because I don't think it's a real word (lol), but because there's a lot of people who have been wanting to start DE and have been waiting for the update to do it because they hate the models. It's not really the same thing as bandwagon jumpers who see the new models, go "OMG SPACE WOLVES!", buy a 2000 point army, and then sell it for "OMG TYRANIDS", and then "OMG BLOOD ANGELS", etc.

Not to say there won't be people who do that, but I think it's wrong to label everyone who starts a DE army after the update as such.

**Thunderfrog**

OMG SPACE WOLVES.

I hate those guys. Their stupid wolf-landraider-thing-guy eats all of my Eldars.

OMG TYRANIDS.

I hate those guys too. The main player around here uses big bugs and uses 9 Carnifexes w/ that super shooty boob attachment.

OMG BLOOD ANGELS.

I've had the least amount of trouble with them, mostly because only one guy plays them and he painted/modeled a showcase army that looks sweeeeet but hit like a kid with furry mittens.

**Just Dave**

So, is this thread still about Dark Eldar rumours or just our opinions on them?

Personally, I'm thinking a thread should be sticked with Dark Eldar rumours on them and locked so it cannot be commented on. Then have a separate thread to 'discuss' it.

**aka_mythos**

Well in all fairness... a thread that is 100% only the rumor, is a single post and its updates. Going beyond that these threads are more. Its reasonable to scrutinize the source and to figure out if things fit with other rumors. It is reasonable based on vaguer rumors to try and figure out what they mean. All the posts about blood angels, space wolves, and tyranid not being good enough are a waste of time as much as threads saying necrons and grey knights should be next. DE should have been done a while ago and now they are.

This post is entirely off topic and I apologize.

**Just Dave**

I agree, that Dark Eldar should've been done a while ago.

Rumour threads should also be about the discussion of the rumours topic, however, this has been repeatedly warned by the Mods and is constantly straying off topic.

**Aduro**

I won't start an army up because no one else is running it, but if there is more than one army I'd like to build (and there always is) then I'll usually go for the least used idea.

**chaos0xomega**

Dashofpepper wrote:
Defiler wrote:
Dashofpepper wrote:I can honestly say that I'm not looking forward to a new DE codex. :(

Part of the reason I chose DE is because no one plays them - with a new codex, all the FOTM bandwagon brats are going to jump onto the latest and greatest, and my army isn't going to be a unique oddity at a tournament anymore.

Haven't you only started playing 40k a few years ago?

Do you really think you have the seniority to talk about "your" esoteric army, and how you don't want the brats jumping on "your" bandwagon?

I'm pretty sure YOU jumped on OUR bandwagon.

Drop the elitism, especially if you don't have the experience to back it up?

I'm pretty sure that you don't know what flavor of the month is, or what a bandwagon is, or what the contextual relevance of jumping on a bandwagon means....and when you add it to the personally insulting nature of your post, all that you wrote was flamebait. Since we're both Dark Eldar, I can fluffily encourage you to eviscerate yourself and be satiated.

I'm serious though, I'm not looking forward to lots of Dark Eldar players running around. I run rampant at tournaments - partly because people don't have a ready answer and tactics to face off against me. I *chose* Dark Eldar because they were more complicated than my Orks, less forgiving of errors, and if well-used, offer the ability to perform Slaanesh-stype domination of literally anyone.

Example: I played in a BMF (Baddest Mofo) tournament yesterday; 1500 point single elimination tournament. Every mission was annihilation and pitched battle. I brought 23 killpoints.

Game 1 vs. Space Wolves: Opponent conceded on turn1 after losing 1/2 his army.

Game 2 vs. Daemons: Opponent tabled on turn5 (weaponless, immobilized soul grinder wouldn't die) at the cost of a single raider.

Game 3 vs. IG: Opponent conceded on turn 3; I'd lost a single squad of wyches (suicide charge at a 31 man platoon to try keeping the heavy weapons from firing). His triple leman russ battle tanks didn't get to fire the whole game.

Game 4 vs. Space Wolves: Opponent was tabled on turn 5 (land raider in reserve didn't come out till turn4), at the cost of two raiders - along with a couple weapon destroyed and immobilized results.
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Dark Eldar can still absolutely dominate a game. I do absolutely obscene things to most players on the table with my DE. I'm not looking forward to people becoming significantly more aware of my army and its capabilities, of many more people playing them....its nice being at a tournament and people come over and look at my army and say, "Wow, a Dark Eldar player....we had one of those around here once." or my personal favorite, "I used to play Dark Eldar but sold them / traded them because they weren't competitive enough." And then I demonstrate a face-beating. Granted; there are certain armies in certain situations played be good players that can be deadly to DE....but every army has a rock to its scissors. *shrugs*

Well here's a newsflash. If certain rumors are to be believed, it doesn't matter since your tactics will be invalidated because the playstyle is getting a complete makeover.

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Brother SRM wrote:Some dude on Warseer says Harlequins are in the book.

Are they the *identical* Harlequins entry, or do they swap the Shadowseer for a Solitaire?

That has been my conjecture since the release of Codex: Eldar, and it is being supported by rumors I have seen posted on warseer.

**Defiler**

To be honest, there is no evidence or even rumors founded on anything other than conjecture at this point concerning a Solitaire.

It's "wishful" thinking, possibly a logical connection of the mirror nature of eldar/dark eldar, but in no way has it been rumored by anyone with any amount of credibility as far as those things go.

The closest thing I've heard is there may be an "Assassin" type character in the new book, but that really could have been guessed by anyone.

**Alpharius**

Well, here's some good news then!

Because if there is an assassin character, there can certainly be a 'counts as' Solitaire in there too!

**Skarboy**

Alpharius wrote:Well, here's some good news then!

Because if there is an assassin character, there can certainly be a 'counts as' Solitaire in there too!

Good call. An archon could probably be done up as a solitaire, too. Dark reapers with dark lances... Probably possible to do a counts as harlie army.

**iheartlargeblasttemplates**

Are there already rules for a solitaire? Never even heard of this to be honest.

**Alpharius**

I long time ago, yes.

The make Imperial Assassins look rather pedestrian, IIRC!

But it has been a long time since they've had actual rules...

**iheartlargeblasttemplates**

Alpharius wrote:I long time ago, yes.

The make Imperial Assassins look rather pedestrian, IIRC!

But it has been a long time since they've had actual rules...

Sounds cool! Is there any fluff to it i could find on the web?

**Alpharius**

Here's a little:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eldar_Harlequins#Solitaires

**Defiler**

Basically, he was an eldar HQ statline - with all the options for Harlequin wargear - and the big kicker (besides his base 5 attack or so and ws 8/I 8 (something huge) was that he converted unused charge inches into attacks. So he typically would get somewhere around 10-12 attacks.

Combined with movement wargear and killing blow poisoned weapons, he was pretty savage.

**iheartlargeblasttemplates**

jeez sounds like it..

**Alpharius**

He's MIA now, and with the reduced emphasis on HTH and no consolidation into fresh combats, he'd be much less of a threat these days.

UNLESS he had a special rule all to himself enabling him to consolidate into new combats, and having an increased movement rate helping him do so more consistently!

**nosferatu1001**

He would be awesome to have back....I thought he was WS10 as well, essentially bloodthirster kickass levels?

**Alpharius**

Pretty much.

I guess constantly fighting off the unwholesome attention of Slaanesh without too many extra levels of protection helps...

...a little!

**The Watcher**

Frak me Aduro... we both know that as soon as the 'dex hits the shelf you're gonna own it. and after a brief runthrough you're gonna not only want but NEED an army, like one of those Ethernopian kids needs a sandwich.
you'll do some rad conversion work (yes, i said rad) and the entire army will not get played but a month or so, and will NEVER get painted.
but you'll gawk and heckle mine. as you always do.... *Sniffle* you jerk!

**Trevak Dal**

My two armies are Tau (my first, and largest army) and Chaos Space Marines of a Khornish and Undivided bent (and also capable of being proxied as normal Space Marines...no offense to the people who own more than 2 space marine armies but if it swaggers like an astartes and has overly large shoulder pads...yeah).

My two main opponents play Space Wolves and Eldar, and the other plays Tyrannids and Necrons.

I'd really like a guard army...being just good honest humans against all the aliens, super soldiers and monsters in the galaxy...but they are horde armies or have lots of tanks and I see them as too easy to be unsporting (e.g. Leafblower).

The Dark Eldar appeal to me because they are simiilar to the Romulans from star trek in that they are the 'more grim' space elfs, though I've also read that most Eldar were like the Dark Eldar at one point, and that's why the DE refer to themselves as "the True Kin" (again, a similarity between Romulans and Vulcans).

If the models are interesting, and the improove/flesh out the background of the Dark Eldar more, I'd seriously look into getting a small force at some point (probabally no more than 800 points).

As it stands though, I won't be buying anything warhammer related until next July (2011), except going halves on a box set for Fantasy (I got a small Lizardmen army too).

**iheartlargeblasttemplates**

uhh this thread is about DE not your other armies but cool.

**Farmer**

Trevak Dal wrote:My two armies are Tau (my first, and largest army) and Chaos Space Marines of a Khornish and Undivided bent (and also capable of being proxied as normal Space Marines...no offense to the people who own more than 2 space marine armies but if it swaggers like an astartes and has overly large shoulder pads...yeah).

My two main opponents play Space Wolves and Eldar, and the other plays Tyrannids and Necrons.

I'd really like a guard army...being just good honest humans against all the aliens, super soldiers and monsters in the galaxy...but they are horde armies or have lots of tanks and I see them as too easy to be unsporting (e.g. Leafblower).

The Dark Eldar appeal to me because they are simiilar to the Romulans from star trek in that they are the 'more grim' space elfs, though I've also read that most Eldar were like the Dark Eldar at one point, and that's why the DE refer to themselves as "the True Kin" (again, a similarity between Romulans and Vulcans).

If the models are interesting, and the improove/flesh out the background of the Dark Eldar more, I'd seriously look into getting a small force at some point (probabally no more than 800 points).

As it stands though, I won't be buying anything warhammer related until next July (2011), except going halves on a box set for Fantasy (I got a small Lizardmen army too).

Wow, nobody cares though.

Any news on DE.

**Alpharius**

Yeah, this thread might have reached its natural conclusion for now.

Someone start up a new one once we're closer to the unveiling - or if you stumble across new rumors and/or pics!