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Slight divergence OT with a common gripe.
GW don't help with their news blackouts.

People want to know if and what and when DE gets a revamp.
People will speculate to fill in the vacuum.

My other hobby manufacturers give annual release schedules. This still gets people exercised and discussing the releases.
Of course there are times when subjects fail to materialise, but that is to be expected as things change, go wrong or for whatever reason the release date is pushed back or eventually cancelled.

Often there are pre production sprue shots posted, or test shots seen at model shows. Net result is usually people bouncing up and down with anticipation.

GW the other hand....
TBH I find their attitude condescending and actually rather disrespectful to the fanbase. Is it because they only want the dollar from the youngsters that they behave like parents in the run up to Christmas and don't want to spoil the childrens' surprise?

Oh fun. I skim through this thread to see some leaked pics, no matter how blury, but found nothing. You're all lucky JOHIRA is awesome.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Slight divergence OT with a common gripe.
GW don't help with their news blackouts.

People want to know if and what and when DE gets a revamp.
People will speculate to fill in the vacuum.

My other hobby manufacturers give annual release schedules. This still gets people exercised and discussing the releases.
Of course there are times when subjects fail to materialise, but that is to be expected as things change, go wrong or for whatever reason the release date is pushed back or eventually cancelled.

Often there are pre production sprue shots posted, or test shots seen at model shows. Net result is usually people bouncing up and down with anticipation.

GW the other hand....
TBH I find their attitude condescending and actually rather disrespectful to the fanbase. Is it because they only want the dollar from the youngsters that they behave like parents in the run up to Christmas and don't want to spoil the childrens' surprise?

Well,at least from a dollars and cents standpoint,it seems that GW is enjoying record profitability(at least if their stock reports are to be believed). Good luck convincing GW to adapt release schedule policies from their less successful competition. Why would you do something your competition is doing if it's less successful than what you're doing? Sounds like bad buisness to me.

Whatever1 wrote:Well,at least from a dollars and cents standpoint,it seems that GW is enjoying record profitability(at least if their stock reports are to be believed). Good luck convincing GW to adapt release schedule policies from their less successful competition. Why would you do something your competition is doing if it's less successful than what you're doing? Sounds like bad buisness to me.

Well, for several years now, GW's sales and profits and customer numbers decrease, which is (artificially) bad business sadly tolerated by the stock holders. While the designers do a great job, the managers do a bad job for years, ignoring basic management rules like doing no advertising and basically ignoring the fan base. But this is another topic discussed many times before. Let's move back on topic.

OK, on topic.

If the 2nd wave is ready to go, would they show pics of unreleased models in the codex? Have they ever done that?

Part of the reason I chose DE is because no one plays them - with a new codex, all the FOTM bandwagon brats are going to jump onto the latest and greatest, and my army isn't going to be a unique oddity at a tournament anymore.

If the only reason you're getting into an army is because no one plays them, then you're probably getting into that army for the wrong reason.

Not to mention it makes you look pretty shallow and selfish. So you don't care about DE at all, you're just playing them so you can be "special"?

Apologies for going OT chaps

Morally repugnant
Gakk models (though I don't mind most of them)
Rubbish codex cos they have been left behind.

What's to love?
TBH I got the chance of buying an army ready to play for the kids at the library where I run a club.
In the small number of small games played so far I have enjoyed them.
Yes at present they are fragile, but there is something there worth persisting with. Not sure what it is, but I have been converted. Even if no GS has been used in the process.

If the only reason you're getting into an army is because no one plays them, then you're probably getting into that army for the wrong reason.

Not to mention it makes you look pretty shallow and selfish. So you don't care about DE at all, you're just playing them so you can be "special"?

TBH this was a big reason I started the DE path myself. Of course it was back in 3rd edition when the army was still new but everyone was saying you could not win with the army and at the time the models were not that bad compared to what else was out there. After trying them out I enjoyed playing the list but alas I eventually set it and my wych cult aside due to lack of GW love in the codex and editional updates.

@Reds8n do we know if any pics or such will be leaked soon or more details on the rules?

I doubt any pics will be leaked. Until GW is ready to actually set a release date we won't see the first pic. So expecting to enter a thread to see leaked pics really is an asinine perspective.

The fact that we 'may' have some leaked info on stats of weapons is amazing to me. Speculation is all we really have at the moment as we all know GW is like a woman and changes it's mind on a whim. Think about some of the new plastic Daemon releases...they were ready years ago but only now got released.

As for GW's business practice and the debate on releasing info being either good or bad for business...let's just avoid that tired argument ok?

I have already apologised for raising the question of GW's release policy which to me isn't old. Not everyone has been around gaming and Dakka forever. So please bear that in mind.

Calling someone asinine for hoping to see leaked pics is not very polite.

Comments about women like that aren't polite either.

So expecting to enter a thread to see leaked pics really is an asinine perspective.

Dakka rules prohibit me from putting you in your place so please choose your words more carefully . Coming into a thread labled Dark Eldar hoping for leaked pics and rules is EXACTLY why it is here. With an expected release date of November leaks should start dribbling in as the number of people who claim to have seen the models is increasing.

Defiler wrote:

Dashofpepper wrote:I can honestly say that I'm not looking forward to a new DE codex. :(

Part of the reason I chose DE is because no one plays them - with a new codex, all the FOTM bandwagon brats are going to jump onto the latest and greatest, and my army isn't going to be a unique oddity at a tournament anymore.

Haven't you only started playing 40k a few years ago?

Do you really think you have the seniority to talk about "your" esoteric army, and how you don't want the brats jumping on "your" bandwagon?

I'm pretty sure YOU jumped on OUR bandwagon.

Drop the elitism, especially if you don't have the experience to back it up?

I'm pretty sure that you don't know what flavor of the month is, or what a bandwagon is, or what the contextual relevance of jumping on a bandwagon means....and when you add it to the personally insulting nature of your post, all that you wrote was flamebait. Since we're both Dark Eldar, I can fluffily encourage you to eviscerate yourself and be satiated.

I'm serious though, I'm not looking forward to lots of Dark Eldar players running around. I run rampant at tournaments - partly because people don't have a ready answer and tactics to face off against me. I *chose* Dark Eldar because they were more complicated than my Orks, less forgiving of errors, and if well-used, offer the ability to perform Slaanesh-stype domination of literally anyone.

Example: I played in a BMF (Baddest Mofo) tournament yesterday; 1500 point single elimination tournament. Every mission was annihilation and pitched battle. I brought 23 killpoints.

Game 1 vs. Space Wolves: Opponent conceded on turn1 after losing 1/2 his army.

Game 2 vs. Daemons: Opponent tabled on turn5 (weaponless, immobilized soul grinder wouldn't die) at the cost of a single raider.

Game 3 vs. IG: Opponent conceded on turn 3; I'd lost a single squad of wyches (suicide charge at a 31 man platoon to try keeping the heavy weapons from firing). His triple leman russ battle tanks didn't get to fire the whole game.

Game 4 vs. Space Wolves: Opponent was tabled on turn 5 (land raider in reserve didn't come out till turn4), at the cost of two raiders - along with a couple weapon destroyed and immobilized results.
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Dark Eldar can still absolutely dominate a game. I do absolutely obscene things to most players on the table with my DE. I'm not looking forward to people becoming significantly more aware of my army and its capabilities, of many more people playing them....its nice being at a tournament and people come over and look at my army and say, "Wow, a Dark Eldar player....we had one of those around here once." or my personal favorite, "I used to play Dark Eldar but sold them / traded them because they weren't competitive enough." And then I demonstrate a face-beating. Granted; there are certain armies in certain situations played be good players that can be deadly to DE....but every army has a rock to its scissors. *shrugs*

Some dude on Warseer says Harlequins are in the book.

Now I have to go scrub my eyes off for going to Warseer.

Brother SRM wrote:Some dude on Warseer says Harlequins are in the book.
Now I have to go scrub my eyes off for going to Warseer.

Kroothawk in post #9 of this thread wrote:Harlequins seem to be in (hoping for solitaire ), DE Avatar not so much.

No way, are you sure?

Sidstyler wrote: So you don't care about DE at all, you're just playing them so you can be "special"?

Um, Dark Space Elfs are fictional, they don't care if our love for them is sincere or not.

Really. We're not going to hurt their feelings.

Kroothawk wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:Some dude on Warseer says Harlequins are in the book.
Now I have to go scrub my eyes off for going to Warseer.

Kroothawk in post #9 of this thread wrote:Harlequins seem to be in (hoping for solitaire ), DE Avatar not so much.

No way, are you sure?

This is awesome, and I must have overlooked this tidbit - thanks Kroothawk!

And I'm with you - go go Solitaire!!!

Dark Eldar news & rumours obviously have a cloaking device that puts even Predators and Romulan Birds of Prey to shame

Brother SRM wrote:Some dude on Warseer says Harlequins are in the book.

Are they the *identical* Harlequins entry, or do they swap the Shadowseer for a Solitaire?

Dashofpepper wrote:

Defiler wrote:

Dashofpepper wrote:I can honestly say that I'm not looking forward to a new DE codex. :(

Part of the reason I chose DE is because no one plays them - with a new codex, all the FOTM bandwagon brats are going to jump onto the latest and greatest, and my army isn't going to be a unique oddity at a tournament anymore.

Haven't you only started playing 40k a few years ago?

Do you really think you have the seniority to talk about "your" esoteric army, and how you don't want the brats jumping on "your" bandwagon?

I'm pretty sure YOU jumped on OUR bandwagon.

Drop the elitism, especially if you don't have the experience to back it up?

I'm pretty sure that you don't know what flavor of the month is, or what a bandwagon is, or what the contextual relevance of jumping on a bandwagon means....and when you add it to the personally insulting nature of your post, all that you wrote was flamebait. Since we're both Dark Eldar, I can fluffily encourage you to eviscerate yourself and be satiated.

I'm serious though, I'm not looking forward to lots of Dark Eldar players running around. I run rampant at tournaments - partly because people don't have a ready answer and tactics to face off against me. I *chose* Dark Eldar because they were more complicated than my Orks, less forgiving of errors, and if well-used, offer the ability to perform Slaanesh-stype domination of literally anyone.

I'm pretty sure I do in fact understand those terms, and I also understand you're obnoxious, full of yourself, and deluded.

I would suggest sticking to the battle reports section, and continuing to masturbate over your proclaimed indie tournament record.

You're not a DE player, bud, just someone who needs competition to validate lacking parts of his own psyche. You have to live with that, and I don't. So congrats! I hope you run into 5 MILLION DE players in the very next tournament held after their release.

I'm picking up some Dark Eldar to give the army a whirl, so anything they update with a new codex is extra gravy for me...

And Defiler and Dash, how about we take the abuse and debasement of one another to PMs? You are both getting upset over one another and moderation may have to be dragged in to situate you two in opposite corners.

For respect of each other and Dakka, please discontinue eroding this thread into an argument.

EDIT: I am no better (and I can cite many examples), but quitting it could be a good idea.

I run rampant at tournaments - partly because people don't have a ready answer and tactics to face off against me.
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I'm not looking forward to people becoming significantly more aware of my army and its capabilities, of many more people playing them.

So you're admitting that you're not a true competitive player then? Since competitive players are all about the challenge and actually want their opponents to be competent and know how to deal with their armies? At least that's what I thought competitive players wanted anyway, that's what Stelek's entire "mission" is centered around.

I mean you just blatantly came out and said you didn't want Dark Eldar to get updated because then you'd have to work harder for your wins, and it might be the end of your "Slaanesh-style domination" of people. It really sounds like you're more interested in clubbing baby seals than true competition. And that's even worse than what I thought before, I thought you just wanted to be "unique" for playing an unpopular army.

And no this isn't "flamebait", I'm not starting gak, I'm just saying that this is the picture you're painting and it doesn't look very good.

...Harlequins are in the book, don't bet or rely on the Solitaire being in there though.

If we could refrain from calling each other names and making accusations about why people do X/Y/Z, that'd be great.

reds8n wrote:

...Harlequins are in the book, don't bet or rely on the Solitaire being in there though.

Thank you for that info. If the two players in the sand box stop kicking sand at each other, can we have another cookie?

Did they look like the same rules to you, or did you not get that much info other than their presence?

Sidstyler wrote:

Part of the reason I chose DE is because no one plays them - with a new codex, all the FOTM bandwagon brats are going to jump onto the latest and greatest, and my army isn't going to be a unique oddity at a tournament anymore.

If the only reason you're getting into an army is because no one plays them, then you're probably getting into that army for the wrong reason.

Not to mention it makes you look pretty shallow and selfish. So you don't care about DE at all, you're just playing them so you can be "special"?

There's absolutely no wrong reason to pick any army. Even if you just copy the latest internet Army List from Ard Boyz, then build an army to match so you can win as much as possible, it's not a "Wrong" reason. There's no such thing.

I picked Eldar for two reasons.. I think Warlocks look cool and no one else at my store played them. Considering I was brand new to the hobby at the time, being the only guy with a army of sleek looking space elf wizards was a neat idea. I can totally understand someone being on the slightly more emo side of that pendulum and going with DE instead.

Just a viable reasons for selecting the army to spend your money on is..

Competitiveness (which is relative )
Price ( The fact I found 2000 points of Eldar for sale on Dakka for 150$ also helped my decision between playing Eldar or Daemons.)
Cool factor of the models
Love of Fluff
Religion? ( I have a friend who picked grey knights because they oppose daemons and he sees them as militant nazi space catholics. He himself is catholic, so they appealed to him for some reason.)

Point is there's no wrong reason to drop phat cash stacks on an army, but to tell someone they shouldnt play said army because they don't truly "care about DE at all" is sortve out there and fanboyish/elitist.

Can't we all just get along?

Dash - Maybe take a leap from DE to another dusty army like Tau or Necrons or Daemonhunters? (Although GW wont sell Daemonhunters stuff to my LGS anymore, Codeci anyways. Maybe they're getting updated soon as well.) I'm sure you could sell/trade your DE at a hot rate to the new guys once the new codex comes out.

Dashofpepper wrote:

Defiler wrote:

Dashofpepper wrote:I can honestly say that I'm not looking forward to a new DE codex. :(

Part of the reason I chose DE is because no one plays them - with a new codex, all the FOTM bandwagon brats are going to jump onto the latest and greatest, and my army isn't going to be a unique oddity at a tournament anymore.

Haven't you only started playing 40k a few years ago?

Do you really think you have the seniority to talk about "your" esoteric army, and how you don't want the brats jumping on "your" bandwagon?

I'm pretty sure YOU jumped on OUR bandwagon.

Drop the elitism, especially if you don't have the experience to back it up?

I'm pretty sure that you don't know what flavor of the month is, or what a bandwagon is, or what the contextual relevance of jumping on a bandwagon means....and when you add it to the personally insulting nature of your post, all that you wrote was flamebait. Since we're both Dark Eldar, I can fluffily encourage you to eviscerate yourself and be satiated.

I'm serious though, I'm not looking forward to lots of Dark Eldar players running around. I run rampant at tournaments - partly because people don't have a ready answer and tactics to face off against me. I *chose* Dark Eldar because they were more complicated than my Orks, less forgiving of errors, and if well-used, offer the ability to perform Slaanesh-stype domination of literally anyone.

Example: I played in a BMF (Baddest Mofo) tournament yesterday; 1500 point single elimination tournament. Every mission was annihilation and pitched battle. I brought 23 killpoints.

Game 1 vs. Space Wolves: Opponent conceded on turn1 after losing 1/2 his army.

Game 2 vs. Daemons: Opponent tabled on turn5 (weaponless, immobilized soul grinder wouldn't die) at the cost of a single raider.

Game 3 vs. IG: Opponent conceded on turn 3; I'd lost a single squad of wyches (suicide charge at a 31 man platoon to try keeping the heavy weapons from firing). His triple leman russ battle tanks didn't get to fire the whole game.

Game 4 vs. Space Wolves: Opponent was tabled on turn 5 (land raider in reserve didn't come out till turn4), at the cost of two raiders - along with a couple weapon destroyed and immobilized results.
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Dark Eldar can still absolutely dominate a game. I do absolutely obscene things to most players on the table with my DE. I'm not looking forward to people becoming significantly more aware of my army and its capabilities, of many more people playing them....its nice being at a tournament and people come over and look at my army and say, "Wow, a Dark Eldar player....we had one of those around here once." or my personal favorite, "I used to play Dark Eldar but sold them / traded them because they weren't competitive enough." And then I demonstrate a face-beating. Granted; there are certain armies in certain situations played be good players that can be deadly to DE....but every army has a rock to its scissors. *shrugs*

good stuff.
I hope I can play like that with the new codex when its out..

Harlequins in BUT no new models (i.e., Solitaire) might mean that they aren't selling well at all, or as well as GW would like, so 'yes' to available to more armies and 'no' to new models...

I am sad.

Alpharius wrote:Harlequins in BUT no new models (i.e., Solitaire) might mean that they aren't selling well at all, or as well as GW would like, so 'yes' to available to more armies and 'no' to new models...

I am sad.

ugh man those harlie models are disgusting to and just watch they'll be better CC specialist than wyches. I would have thought that this would have been a good time to release the solitare for DE and then release it for the new kraftworld eldar.

Luthon1234 wrote:those harlie models are disgusting to and just watch they'll be better CC specialist than wyches.

Harlequins *should* be better CC specialists than Wyches.

I think it could always be a matter of "better" in different ways. So while I'm sure Harlequin will overall be better than wyches, I'm also sure wyches will still be able to do things that Harlies can't and may be able to exceed Harlies in a few areas.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Luthon1234 wrote:those harlie models are disgusting to and just watch they'll be better CC specialist than wyches.

Harlequins *should* be better CC specialists than Wyches.

Why's that? Oh right that citadel codex where a single solitaire could go through one squad and end up on the other side of the table. GW wants to sell them so there's no point in me crying about them being in the DE codex but hopefully they will have the bright idea of moving wyches to troops.