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1) that artillery can not be destroyed. You have to kill the guy firing it to get rid of the artillery piece.

2) New DE roll for combat drugs for every unit, not one roll for the army

3) If you are locked in combat and another squad charges into that combat, you can not direct your attacks against the new squad charging in.


The WORST part is that these are the rules that the GW store Manager (black shirt) makes EVERYONE at the store play by.....

svendrex wrote:3) If you are locked in combat and another squad charges into that combat, you can not direct your attacks against the new squad charging in.

Partially true, actually, models in BTB contact with an enemy must fight the ones they're in concact with if they're stuck in CC from a previous turn.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

svendrex wrote:3) If you are locked in combat and another squad charges into that combat, you can not direct your attacks against the new squad charging in.

Partially true, actually, models in BTB contact with an enemy must fight the ones they're in concact with if they're stuck in CC from a previous turn.

Depends, since there has to be a few models in contact with the newly charged in squad, otherwise the new squad cannot declare a charge at all, so if the Manager just meant that they cant attack the ones that are not in BTB, then it's a rule. If the Manager said that the new squad cannot be attacked at all then it's violating a rule.

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Sorry, screwed up the quoting

I've been hit by this rule by friends as well, so I shrugged my shoulders, 'ed about it and just went on with the game. Then I passed the same rule on to other friends and they flipped out about it, then the biggest cheater in our gaming group told me that I was playing it wrong. So now I'm not sure WHO is right, and one of my friends has my rulebook, so...help out a bit Dakka. If I have a unit locked in combat and another unit charges me while I'm previously locked in combat, can I direct attacks against the new charging unit? Or am I only allowed to hit the unit I was already in contact with?

Yeah it is no attacks at all, not even if you are in Base to base with the new unit charging in.

At least the new FAQ helps to clarify this situation. It states that the beggining of combat is AFTER defenders react moves.


Example for clarity of how it should work

Units A and X are locked in combat, unit B (same side as A) charges into the combat.

Unit B makes an Assault move
unit X makes a defenders react move
you determine which models from unit X are engaged with unit A or B or Both and determine the number and direction of the attacks.
Determine how many attacks unit A and B get to make
Then make the attacks in Initiative order.

I was told (in my first game) you could only act with one unit a turn, but you could amalgamate units to form uber units. I was using a tau army, added everythimg into one unit, and then wiped the badly painted eldar I was facing off the table.

Dakka indeed...

I had a noob explain to me how his carnifex with about 6 arms and 12 guns on is strength 20 toughness 10 and intiative 10, with 10 attacks and 20 wounds witha 2+ invul and costs 200pts.
he also explained that his eldar tank with trygon arms stuck to it can fire 2 S10 AP1 5" blast shots, AV 14/14/14 and a flyer.
I also had a guy who had a tank upgrade (like chronus) with a plasma pistol, PF, makes his tank BS5, all tanks in the army become venerable, and costed 70 points.
i refused to play both of them.
I also had this guy insist that his SW terminators could choose where they land, and if they didn't like it, they could move back 6".
I once confused my terminator's heavy flamer with a MM. But then my opponent confused his flamers with heavy flamers. We were both clueless.

To help clarify: You must direct your attacks at the unit you are in btb with. If you are in btb with 2 units you can split your attacks, or choose whcih one unit to fight.

This does mean you can attack a unit that has just charged you. If you read the FAQ it makes this much clearer

Melissia wrote:There was a Marine player that attempted to claim that because his Marines were male they were BS5 while because my Sisters were female they were BS2.

I don't play against him anymore.

lol! ou should have slapped him one for sexism. I found a book in my school library yesterday called "psychology- how to offend women" I laughed so much. It had stuff in there like a chapter on kitchen jokes. "When asked to fulfil a task you do not wish to do, tell her to return to the sink." stuff like that. anyways, that kid who claim stompa can fly is seriously messed up. My prescription for an incompetent noob such as yours? Throw the BRB at him. Literally. And blank him. And refuse to play him. And ask to see his codex. And get the noob to tell your LGS manager that stompas can fly and marines can explode.

Ixias wrote: I can't remember the name, but his tank had some missile that was a one-shot weapon. When he had used it, he claimed that it was still a valid pick for weapon destroyed results which my friends told me was not legal although I'm not sure of that.

Until the Errata from 2 weeks ago, that was how the rules worked.

I can drop all 6 of my drop pods on the first turn without rolling a single die. Oh hey, look at that. My 3 lascannon dreadnoughts are behind your lines and my three tactical units are staring your other stuff in the face.

Worst game I've ever played.

Is that legal?!

shrike wrote:Is that legal?!

NOT AT ALL

Oh yeah, rounding fractions up. Did you continue the game?

That person from our school said that flamers automaticly break moral

he plays to much dawn of war


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Also ansering your questions um our kid at school
he has no codex
we habe no maneger
and he gose of and tells the teachers when we do not let him play

also he is so mixed up by all the rules that he dose not even know rules that can help him

" are you going to shoot at those orks"
"no i moved so i cannot shoot"
"you do realise that your terminators are relentles"
"no they are not"
"yes they are now are you shooting at the orks or not"
"no i have moved so i can not shoot"


and his mind when we told him that his storm bolters fire tvivce Asoult? 2

he rooled four dice

" well thwy are assult 2 and they fire twice"
"no asullt two means that they already fire twice"
"no they in total fire four times"


also he claimed that one of his space marines had an atomic missile laounter we
asked him to bring it and


it turns out to be

a heavy bolter on a guys sholder


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soorry i dind not relise what some of the abriviations ment
um we will try to throw the rule book at him
and good idea for the games wokshoop maneger

hmm. Explain to the teachers he cheats and doesn't know the rules.
and please work on your spelling.

grizgrin wrote:...Ixias, I ... mind...g...i...ts

heh.

When my group first started we had a AoBR box and the ork helicopters had ML on them we read the rules as a Str8 AP3 blast instead of krak, needless to say the marines lost that game

Oh and starting out I though the Fleet special rule let units shoot and run very early on

One person playing orks I played in my second game first said that he could immediately run 6 inches in the shooting phase, and then tried to convince me that only the models touching another models base were engaged in close combat, and that the rest of the squad could return fire. I was very new so I missed the one about running, and his Orks were on me by turn 2, but I knew the second one was wrong.
Never scene him at the FLGS since.

svendrex wrote:1) that artillery can not be destroyed. You have to kill the guy firing it to get rid of the artillery piece.

2) New DE roll for combat drugs for every unit, not one roll for the army

The WORST part is that these are the rules that the GW store Manager (black shirt) makes EVERYONE at the store play by.....

The first doesn't make any sense at all. What guy?

The second seems like it would be easily corrected by showing the appropriate rule in the book.

Way back when the black templars didn't have their own codex I think or when the current one just came out. A guy told me he had some internet faq and errata sheets saying that one of his characters could be upgraded to a 1+ inv and the attached command squad could have 2+ inv. We never played a game obviously but he was always pulling the errata on the internet crap that was so far fetched it was laughable.

OT a little we also played a necromunda campaign with this guy, and he played his first game then went home because he was "late". Next day he comes in and says since he had the time he went ahead and rolled for his after game results. When we asked what he rolled it was utter nonsense. He maxed out on everything the three or four casualties he had taken were all still alive and two of them got the result that they gained the exp and other bonuses which made them amazing.

Needless to say this guy had brass balls when it came to cheating and lying. He eventually gave up playing at the store and moved out of state with his dad.

Friend of mine claimed that with the new Deamon Codex he could beat my IG army with a single squad of bloodletters. He did. Using the fantasy codex and buying something near 1000 points in magical items for the bloodletters.

I didn't know he was using the fantasy rules, and I don't even play fantasy so I wasn't sure if some of the stuff he was saying was actually correct (re-rollable ward saves, targetting different units with magic/psyker attacks ect?). As I was staring in amazment at the ruins of my army, contemplating the consequences of the new Deamon codex, another mate walked over, looked at the list my opponent was using and pointed out that this was fantasy.

I honestly believe my friend had made an honest mistake with the list (getting it off the internet), so it really was a laughable situation. Even more so when we learnt just how unfair Fantasy deamons were from those who played more of the game.

ChaosGalvatron wrote:Were the plates made of unobtanium?

when I first saw avatar and the guy mentioned "unobtainium" I immediately thought "kinda-hard-to-find-but-you-might-get-it-on-ebay-ium"
anyways- that ravenwing player getting into a tourney and being able to make up rules where no-one questions him is worrying.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Friend of mine claimed that with the new Deamon Codex he could beat my IG army with a single squad of bloodletters. He did. Using the fantasy codex and buying something near 1000 points in magical items for the bloodletters.

I didn't know he was using the fantasy rules, and I don't even play fantasy so I wasn't sure if some of the stuff he was saying was actually correct (re-rollable ward saves, targetting different units with magic/psyker attacks ect?). As I was staring in amazment at the ruins of my army, contemplating the consequences of the new Deamon codex, another mate walked over, looked at the list my opponent was using and pointed out that this was fantasy.

I honestly believe my friend had made an honest mistake with the list (getting it off the internet), so it really was a laughable situation. Even more so when we learnt just how unfair Fantasy deamons were from those who played more of the game.

Fantasy Daemons are indeed very OP in their own system, but the Re-rollable war....Invulnerable Save and Targetting different units are actual rules in the 40k version. Kairos, otherwise known as Fateweaver, has a special ability that lets everyone on his side within 6 inches (including himself) to reroll any failed save at any time. Tzeentch also has a gift (upgrade) called We Are Legion that allows the user to target 2 different units in a shooting phase. Depending on the mission being played and what he uses, Daemons can be very op or just a minor annoyance (playing Annhilation sucks with daemons since basically everything gets a free turn shooting at you, while playing Objectives means that you can basically camp all of the objectives at once).

Rube wrote:I just get the usual crap.

Sweeping advance just caught a fleeing squad? It has a rule where it auto-rallies and takes no retreat wounds instead.

Space Marines do that.

Rube wrote:Stunned a tank? It has a rule where it can fire (WHILE STUNNED) at a lower BS.

Land Raiders can fire while stunned. BT and DA ones fire at BS2 but other codexes fire at BS4.

Rube wrote:Deep striking transports! Yes seriously. And it can't die from mishapping onto an enemy squad either!

Drop pods. They don't mishap from scattering onto enemies.

Rube wrote:I mostly get this crap off Spess Mahreen players. Seriously, this is why I refuse to play against them. It's like playing against 8 year olds.

I really hope your post was sarcasm.


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Rube wrote:Neither, unless Rhinos have PotMS and can deepstrike suddenly. Thanks for proving my comments about Spess Mahreen players correct though!

Both of those would be incorrect then. What about the sweeping advance comment?

vleermie wrote:

loner wrote:One of the first games I played, it was my IG versus some Space Marines.
He told me that you could take multiple saves. So first an armor save, then a cover save and finally a invulnarble save.
Needless to say I lost, because I couldn't kill his terminators.
At that time I was like, 40k sucks.
Luckily I didn't quit there

Well, that was because it was my first game and I didn't knew gak.

But remeber your medic who magically survived 6 turns of thunder hammers bashing on his skull? I'm sure you screwed up something there too (':

You are blaming me for the fact that you don't know your army list?

I had a game against Tau and my opponent said if he uses a Markerlight he is able to shoot into close combat.
(in german close combat is "Nahkampf", and night fighting is "Nachtkampf" and he mixed them up)

But he didn't believe me and as I said he would have to show me the rule in his codex (I play another Tau regularly and knew the codex very well^^) he just replied "I didn't have my codex here"

Oh yeah- there was this guy who insisted that his monolith was a scoring unit, and cannot mishap. And apparently it is a flyer.

Me and my friend just started playing 40k about 6 month ago (I play Chaos Space Marines and he plays Necrons) and he told me that WBB happens on a 3+. Needless to say, it was impossible to kill any of them.

Luckily, this was remedied after about 4 horrific defeats and a quick look at his codex.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:Friend of mine claimed that with the new Deamon Codex he could beat my IG army with a single squad of bloodletters. He did. Using the fantasy codex and buying something near 1000 points in magical items for the bloodletters.

I didn't know he was using the fantasy rules, and I don't even play fantasy so I wasn't sure if some of the stuff he was saying was actually correct (re-rollable ward saves, targetting different units with magic/psyker attacks ect?). As I was staring in amazment at the ruins of my army, contemplating the consequences of the new Deamon codex, another mate walked over, looked at the list my opponent was using and pointed out that this was fantasy.

I honestly believe my friend had made an honest mistake with the list (getting it off the internet), so it really was a laughable situation. Even more so when we learnt just how unfair Fantasy deamons were from those who played more of the game.

Fantasy Daemons are indeed very OP in their own system, but the Re-rollable war....Invulnerable Save and Targetting different units are actual rules in the 40k version. Kairos, otherwise known as Fateweaver, has a special ability that lets everyone on his side within 6 inches (including himself) to reroll any failed save at any time. Tzeentch also has a gift (upgrade) called We Are Legion that allows the user to target 2 different units in a shooting phase. Depending on the mission being played and what he uses, Daemons can be very op or just a minor annoyance (playing Annhilation sucks with daemons since basically everything gets a free turn shooting at you, while playing Objectives means that you can basically camp all of the objectives at once).

He didn't have Fateweaver, he had one unit of bloodletters that were using fantasy magic attacks against different IG squads (and taking out tanks).