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2010/09/26 00:53:28
Subject: Re:Who would be the last race standing? [Poll]
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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Xyptc wrote:
The Tyranids are a space-dwelling race by nature. Logically, they are going to be more than capable of reclaiming biomass in space if they can do it in what is, to them at least, an alien environment to the degree that they do.
Also consider that the Tyranids aren't only looking for worlds populated by humans/Orks/Eldar etc. Any world with organic matter is good, and heck worlds that are rich in suitable minerals are prime targets to. The IoM can exterminatus the heck out of the worlds the Tyranids are fighting them on all they like - all the Tyranids have to do is consume a few worlds that the IoM isn't on and their strength is restored, and that's an easy enough task given how it's almost impossible to see what they are doing under the Shadow. Kryptman's "biomass denial" strategy was terribly flawed. The IoM will back itself into a corner long before the Tyranids run out of worlds to consume.
200 worlds, while a terrible toll, is a drop in the ocean compared to 1 million. There is also the issue of whether Tyranids get hungry while they travel in space. You'd need vast reserves of resources or energy to make the slow trip between galaxies, probably resorting to cannibalism at points. How do we know that the Tyranid horde isn't "running on empty"?
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After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.
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2010/09/26 04:28:57
Subject: Re:Who would be the last race standing? [Poll]
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Xyptc wrote:
The Tyranids are a space-dwelling race by nature. Logically, they are going to be more than capable of reclaiming biomass in space if they can do it in what is, to them at least, an alien environment to the degree that they do.
Oh, yeah. What I meant when I mentioned space battles as a bad thing for Tyranids is that any fleet they face will ( IMHO) slarg more biomass from the tyranid fleet than they give up even if beaten in the end. Meaning that they have few returns in the largest scale battles.
Xyptc wrote:Also consider that the Tyranids aren't only looking for worlds populated by humans/Orks/Eldar etc. Any world with organic matter is good, and heck worlds that are rich in suitable minerals are prime targets to.
Sure, but once they penetrate the Imperium's perimeter EVERYTHING of worth is going to have been pre-colonized by man for 30,000+ years. At the very least their fleets are going to be running disruption.
Xyptc wrote:The IoM can exterminatus the heck out of the worlds the Tyranids are fighting them on all they like - all the Tyranids have to do is consume a few worlds that the IoM isn't on and their strength is restored, and that's an easy enough task given how it's almost impossible to see what they are doing under the Shadow. Kryptman's "biomass denial" strategy was terribly flawed. The IoM will back itself into a corner long before the Tyranids run out of worlds to consume.
I dunno about that Kryptman fellow either.
While the shadow is a powerful weapon for the Tyranids it's equally useful for the Imperium as a marker for their location. You don't really have to guess what a tyranid fleet is gonna do. Eat. Hunt. Eat hunt eat hunt. EAT. 
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2010/09/26 04:38:57
Subject: Re:Who would be the last race standing? [Poll]
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Emperors Faithful wrote:Xyptc wrote:
The Tyranids are a space-dwelling race by nature. Logically, they are going to be more than capable of reclaiming biomass in space if they can do it in what is, to them at least, an alien environment to the degree that they do.
Also consider that the Tyranids aren't only looking for worlds populated by humans/Orks/Eldar etc. Any world with organic matter is good, and heck worlds that are rich in suitable minerals are prime targets to. The IoM can exterminatus the heck out of the worlds the Tyranids are fighting them on all they like - all the Tyranids have to do is consume a few worlds that the IoM isn't on and their strength is restored, and that's an easy enough task given how it's almost impossible to see what they are doing under the Shadow. Kryptman's "biomass denial" strategy was terribly flawed. The IoM will back itself into a corner long before the Tyranids run out of worlds to consume.
200 worlds, while a terrible toll, is a drop in the ocean compared to 1 million. There is also the issue of whether Tyranids get hungry while they travel in space. You'd need vast reserves of resources or energy to make the slow trip between galaxies, probably resorting to cannibalism at points. How do we know that the Tyranid horde isn't "running on empty"?
The bio-ships wouldn't use up extensive amounts of energy on the trip between galaxies if they went into some sort of hibernation
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2010/09/26 04:59:00
Subject: Re:Who would be the last race standing? [Poll]
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Australia (Recently ravaged by the Hive Fleet Ginger Overlord)
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Retribution wrote:
The bio-ships wouldn't use up extensive amounts of energy on the trip between galaxies if they went into some sort of hibernation
Even allowing for that fact, you still burn energy while you sleep. Travelling between galaxies in the cold void of space, especially without any sort of warp travel, would make it very likely that only a fraction of the Tyranid fleet that left their old galaxy has made it to the edges of the Milky Way, with the rest likely being cannibalized by the survivors.
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Smacks wrote:
After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.
"Good game guys, now lets hit the showers"
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2010/09/26 05:32:09
Subject: Re:Who would be the last race standing? [Poll]
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Eldar, because we've been dieing for how long now and still around ;P
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2010/09/26 07:32:10
Subject: Re:Who would be the last race standing? [Poll]
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Elite Tyranid Warrior
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Emperors Faithful wrote:Retribution wrote:
The bio-ships wouldn't use up extensive amounts of energy on the trip between galaxies if they went into some sort of hibernation
Even allowing for that fact, you still burn energy while you sleep. Travelling between galaxies in the cold void of space, especially without any sort of warp travel, would make it very likely that only a fraction of the Tyranid fleet that left their old galaxy has made it to the edges of the Milky Way, with the rest likely being cannibalized by the survivors.
True enough, but everything in the fluff supports the notion that we have only seen a fraction of a fraction of the entire tyranid threat
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2010/09/26 09:01:07
Subject: Who would be the last race standing? [Poll]
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Tottaly overdone, this, but whatever happens, 'Crons are still around, so yeah... even if they decide to just go "Oh, screw this, imma taking another nap", they are no weaker for trying. That said, I'm gunna have to go with the HUMANITY F*** YEAH! group. Just beacuse. Retribution wrote:Emperors Faithful wrote:Retribution wrote:
The bio-ships wouldn't use up extensive amounts of energy on the trip between galaxies if they went into some sort of hibernation
Even allowing for that fact, you still burn energy while you sleep. Travelling between galaxies in the cold void of space, especially without any sort of warp travel, would make it very likely that only a fraction of the Tyranid fleet that left their old galaxy has made it to the edges of the Milky Way, with the rest likely being cannibalized by the survivors.
True enough, but everything in the fluff supports the notion that we have only seen a fraction of a fraction of the entire tyranid threat
But it's never been confirmed. For all we know, they could have been ran ragged by the immortal St Macharius and his loyal cadre of void-whale riding cowboys, and are fleeing with the beligured remenents of their refugee fleet, full of civillians.
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6000 points IG, Leviathins 8th company, (store regiment) 60% painted 
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2500 Points Isstavan Drop site massacre Iron Hands (still waiting for dat codex) 
I managed to play a 1750 point game with minimal proxieing on the first day DE came out.  go me!
The Gutterballers, a relatively successfull BloodBowl team
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2010/09/26 09:04:34
Subject: Re:Who would be the last race standing? [Poll]
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Auspicious Skink Shaman
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Emperors Faithful wrote:Retribution wrote:
The bio-ships wouldn't use up extensive amounts of energy on the trip between galaxies if they went into some sort of hibernation
Even allowing for that fact, you still burn energy while you sleep. Travelling between galaxies in the cold void of space, especially without any sort of warp travel, would make it very likely that only a fraction of the Tyranid fleet that left their old galaxy has made it to the edges of the Milky Way, with the rest likely being cannibalized by the survivors.
Dude, if hive fleets are capable of travelling between GALAXYS without using the warp and still be up for a good fight, then Im pretty sure there isnt any worry about them burning out of energy in between planets.
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2010/09/26 10:23:45
Subject: Re:Who would be the last race standing? [Poll]
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Horrific Howling Banshee
Down Under, Newcastle
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*Imperial Scientis looks at Conversion beamer*
I wonder if I can somehow put that on a ship...
After the weapon is created, tyranids suddenly lose tremendoues amounts of biomass... if only.
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GENERATION 8: The first time you see this, copy and paste it into your sig and add 1 to the number after generation. Consider it a social experiment.
95% of teens would go into a panic attack if the jonas brothers were about to jump off the empire state building copy and paste this if you are the 5% who would pull up a lawn chair grab some popcorn and yell JUMP BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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2010/09/26 10:31:44
Subject: Re:Who would be the last race standing? [Poll]
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Australia (Recently ravaged by the Hive Fleet Ginger Overlord)
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Trilobite wrote:Emperors Faithful wrote:Retribution wrote:
The bio-ships wouldn't use up extensive amounts of energy on the trip between galaxies if they went into some sort of hibernation
Even allowing for that fact, you still burn energy while you sleep. Travelling between galaxies in the cold void of space, especially without any sort of warp travel, would make it very likely that only a fraction of the Tyranid fleet that left their old galaxy has made it to the edges of the Milky Way, with the rest likely being cannibalized by the survivors.
Dude, if hive fleets are capable of travelling between GALAXYS without using the warp and still be up for a good fight, then Im pretty sure there isnt any worry about them burning out of energy in between planets.
That's the thing, we don't know how many Tyranids are left or if the Tyranid race is on the brink of starvation. Holding them off for maybe even 500-1000 years could be pivotal.
Golden Sabres wrote:*Imperial Scientis looks at Conversion beamer*
I wonder if I can somehow put that on a ship...
After the weapon is created, tyranids suddenly lose tremendoues amounts of biomass... if only.
Most likely he would be executed for thinking heretical thoughts and threatening the sanctity of the Imperium's technology. THEN they'd put it on a ship.
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Smacks wrote:
After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.
"Good game guys, now lets hit the showers"
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2010/09/26 11:42:45
Subject: Re:Who would be the last race standing? [Poll]
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Horrific Howling Banshee
Down Under, Newcastle
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Emperors Faithful wrote: Golden Sabres wrote:*Imperial Scientis looks at Conversion beamer*
I wonder if I can somehow put that on a ship...
After the weapon is created, tyranids suddenly lose tremendoues amounts of biomass... if only.
Most likely he would be executed for thinking heretical thoughts and threatening the sanctity of the Imperium's technology. THEN they'd put it on a ship.
Hmmm, I forgot about that part. Maybe the Adeptus Mechanicus will look extra hard for an STC of one then.
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1500 points of footslogging hell
500 points of curves
GENERATION 8: The first time you see this, copy and paste it into your sig and add 1 to the number after generation. Consider it a social experiment.
95% of teens would go into a panic attack if the jonas brothers were about to jump off the empire state building copy and paste this if you are the 5% who would pull up a lawn chair grab some popcorn and yell JUMP BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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2010/09/26 11:45:37
Subject: Who would be the last race standing? [Poll]
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Monstrously Massive Big Mutant
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Even if the necrons do get damaged to the point they can't heal or are killed so many times they become useless they is no reason to think the C'tan can't just make some more, there are lots of races out there that would love "imortality". From what we have seen of their powers they could make a huge difference to who controls the galaxy.
How are the nids going to deal with the C'tan. It's very (very) unlikely they could create a creature capable which is capable of tearing a hole between the real world and the warp. While they are still alive the C'tan can just keep destroying any world that the Tyranids land on.
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2010/09/26 11:53:43
Subject: Who would be the last race standing? [Poll]
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Horrific Howling Banshee
Down Under, Newcastle
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4M2A wrote:Even if the necrons do get damaged to the point they can't heal or are killed so many times they become useless they is no reason to think the C'tan can't just make some more, there are lots of races out there that would love "imortality".
Aye, that be true. But they won't be Necrons then. The Necrons are the souls of the Necrontyr and if they are completely destroyed, so will their souls. Sure, the C'tan can find new servants, but eventually every Necron will die in a war of Attrition. (And then the race will be called pariahs lol)
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1500 points of footslogging hell
500 points of curves
GENERATION 8: The first time you see this, copy and paste it into your sig and add 1 to the number after generation. Consider it a social experiment.
95% of teens would go into a panic attack if the jonas brothers were about to jump off the empire state building copy and paste this if you are the 5% who would pull up a lawn chair grab some popcorn and yell JUMP BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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2010/09/26 11:58:19
Subject: Who would be the last race standing? [Poll]
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Monstrously Massive Big Mutant
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For the purposes of who won they will still be the necrons. Even if the imperium starts using mutants of hiring aliens it would still be the IoM.
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2010/09/26 12:05:13
Subject: Re:Who would be the last race standing? [Poll]
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Horrific Howling Banshee
Down Under, Newcastle
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There are still plenty of ways the necrons would die, so there are always options.
EDIT: Wait a minute, I just noticed that every single race has a scenario where they die, funny that huh?
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1500 points of footslogging hell
500 points of curves
GENERATION 8: The first time you see this, copy and paste it into your sig and add 1 to the number after generation. Consider it a social experiment.
95% of teens would go into a panic attack if the jonas brothers were about to jump off the empire state building copy and paste this if you are the 5% who would pull up a lawn chair grab some popcorn and yell JUMP BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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2010/09/26 12:33:57
Subject: Re:Who would be the last race standing? [Poll]
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Malicious Mandrake
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Golden Sabres wrote:There are still plenty of ways the necrons would die, so there are always options.
EDIT: Wait a minute, I just noticed that every single race has a scenario where they die, funny that huh?
Welcome to the GRIMDARK far future.
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TheLinguist wrote:bella lin wrote:hello friends,
I'm a new comer here.I'm bella. nice to meet you and join you.
But are you a heretic?
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2010/09/26 15:53:32
Subject: Who would be the last race standing? [Poll]
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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sniperjolly wrote:Tottaly overdone, this, but whatever happens, 'Crons are still around, so yeah... even if they decide to just go "Oh, screw this, imma taking another nap", they are no weaker for trying.
Actually, yes, they would be.
In fact, the NIghtbringer was nearly killed by Ultramarines because he had just woken up and was starving, and therefor weakened.
It was only the Marines' stupidity in deciding their lives were more valuable than destroying the C'tan stargod that allowed him to not be trapped in the cave where he is and starve to death.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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2010/09/26 16:28:20
Subject: Who would be the last race standing? [Poll]
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Battlefortress Driver with Krusha Wheel
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Melissia wrote:sniperjolly wrote:Tottaly overdone, this, but whatever happens, 'Crons are still around, so yeah... even if they decide to just go "Oh, screw this, imma taking another nap", they are no weaker for trying.
Actually, yes, they would be.
In fact, the NIghtbringer was nearly killed by Ultramarines because he had just woken up and was starving, and therefor weakened.
It was only the Marines' stupidity in deciding their lives were more valuable than destroying the C'tan stargod that allowed him to not be trapped in the cave where he is and starve to death.
This is true.
In addition, the last time the Necrons were dominant over the galaxy, they had thousands of C'tan to aid them. Now there's only 4. Just sayin' is all.
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2010/09/26 16:32:05
Subject: Who would be the last race standing? [Poll]
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Just two as far as we know. The Ousider hasn't been revealed yet, and the Void Dragon was defeated by the Emperor and imprisoned under the surface of Mars in the Noctis Labyrinth.
Which means that, over time, the Void Dragon (as long as the Mechanicum doesn't do anything stupid) will starve to death as well. But then, it's semi-obvious that the Mechanicum is going to do something stupid.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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2010/09/26 16:52:33
Subject: Who would be the last race standing? [Poll]
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Battlefortress Driver with Krusha Wheel
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I think it would be reasonable (given the subplot of that rogue techpriest who found out about the Void Dragon) that there may be another possible civil war brewing on Mars.
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2010/09/26 17:33:51
Subject: Who would be the last race standing? [Poll]
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Elite Tyranid Warrior
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What about the theory that the void-dragon is slowly draining the life-force of all those tech-priests with tech-bits?
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2010/09/26 17:53:04
Subject: Who would be the last race standing? [Poll]
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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It could be, but more likely they're losing their humanity and "life force" simply because they're more machine than human.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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2010/09/27 14:24:23
Subject: Who would be the last race standing? [Poll]
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Melissia wrote:sniperjolly wrote:Tottaly overdone, this, but whatever happens, 'Crons are still around, so yeah... even if they decide to just go "Oh, screw this, imma taking another nap", they are no weaker for trying.
Actually, yes, they would be.
In fact, the NIghtbringer was nearly killed by Ultramarines because he had just woken up and was starving, and therefor weakened.
It was only the Marines' stupidity in deciding their lives were more valuable than destroying the C'tan stargod that allowed him to not be trapped in the cave where he is and starve to death.
That made me 
YOUR A SPACE MARINE. YOU HAD A CHANCE TO KILL A GOD AND YOU BLEW IT. UGH. Go to your statis chamber and think about what you've done.
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2010/09/27 14:35:50
Subject: Who would be the last race standing? [Poll]
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Terrifying Wraith
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the imperium, but eventually the chaos gods would triumph over the course of millions of years.
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2010/09/27 18:51:57
Subject: Who would be the last race standing? [Poll]
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Lokirfellheart wrote:the imperium, but eventually the chaos gods would triumph over the course of millions of years.
 Just as planned......
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2000 foot sloging IG 
Cataphracts.... need to recalculate points....
Iron warriors  waiting for more bucks with a better job
4th Panzerdivision Ost waiting for orders Reichmarschall!! 
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2010/09/27 20:11:23
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Black Corsair wrote:Lokirfellheart wrote:the imperium, but eventually the chaos gods would triumph over the course of millions of years.
Just as planned......
Wouldnt Tzeentch change the plans at the last second so that wouldnt happen?
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2010/09/27 20:32:37
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Toxik wrote:Technically there will be 2 races standing not one, the tyranids will wipe everything off the galaxy and move on towards another galaxy (they will avoid dead worlds), the necrons will go back to sleep to repeat the cycle, so 2 races not one.
(and chaos dies because all psychic races are wiped off the galaxy)
But then the Tyranid leave and eat the next galaxy. That's the thing Tyranid go around eating galaxies like humans eat bacon. None of the others can even eat one galaxy.
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2010/09/27 21:00:02
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Oberfeldwebel
Palma de Mallorca, Spain
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NeedsMoreDakka wrote:Black Corsair wrote:Lokirfellheart wrote:the imperium, but eventually the chaos gods would triumph over the course of millions of years.
Just as planned......
Wouldnt Tzeentch change the plans at the last second so that wouldnt happen?
you know anything more twisted than The Changer's mind???
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2000 foot sloging IG
Cataphracts.... need to recalculate points....
Iron warriors waiting for more bucks with a better job
4th Panzerdivision Ost waiting for orders Reichmarschall!!
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2010/09/27 21:40:57
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Black Corsair wrote:NeedsMoreDakka wrote:Black Corsair wrote:Lokirfellheart wrote:the imperium, but eventually the chaos gods would triumph over the course of millions of years.
Just as planned......
Wouldnt Tzeentch change the plans at the last second so that wouldnt happen?
you know anything more twisted than The Changer's mind???
Several snarled-up slinkys?
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2010/09/27 23:42:18
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NeedsMoreDakka wrote:Melissia wrote:sniperjolly wrote:Tottaly overdone, this, but whatever happens, 'Crons are still around, so yeah... even if they decide to just go "Oh, screw this, imma taking another nap", they are no weaker for trying.
Actually, yes, they would be.
In fact, the NIghtbringer was nearly killed by Ultramarines because he had just woken up and was starving, and therefor weakened.
It was only the Marines' stupidity in deciding their lives were more valuable than destroying the C'tan stargod that allowed him to not be trapped in the cave where he is and starve to death.
That made me
YOUR A SPACE MARINE. YOU HAD A CHANCE TO KILL A GOD AND YOU BLEW IT. UGH. Go to your statis chamber and think about what you've done.
Yeah, same here.
You're a fething WARRIOR. Is there really a better way for a warrior to go out than to kill a GOD? I cannot think of one.
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Waaagh! Gorskar = 2050pts
Fjälnir Ironfist's Great Company = 1800pts
Guflag's Mercenary Ogres = 2000pts
