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Yes I agree if it doesn't look like the car sized spiders we have walking around the countryside then GW have messed up.

And now for some reason I really want to burn the UK with fire.

Anyway, O&G is rumored to be hardcover? I don't know if I like the sound of that, the last thing I want to see is $50 army books. And I don't believe GW would charge any less, either, not when a black and white paperback under 100 pages is $30.

I see the book definitely being in color at least!!

Hardcover army books, I'm not sure I like that trend, if it occurs, unless the book as a metric butt ton of options and fluff.

I don't think hardback army books are a bad idea seeing as most books are going to be around for about ten years.

Sidstyler wrote:

Yes I agree if it doesn't look like the car sized spiders we have walking around the countryside then GW have messed up.

And now for some reason I really want to burn the UK with fire.

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Really? I want to move there! I mean, if it has big bugs I will feel all cozy and cuddly

Hardback armybooks, as somebody has already suggested, just strikes me as a reason to charge more money. If this flies, expect all the existing paperback army books to be re-released in hardback... which would make GW the only publishing company to release paperback editions before going to hardback

I'm looking forward to seeing the Savage Orcs and whatever this spider rock lobber thing is, but I'm kind of surprised at the lack of new entries given the success of all the new skaven stuff (doom flayer, plague furnace/catapult, abomination).

It's odd that GW don't advance things very much sometimes. On the one hand I guess it would irritating for vet O&G players to have to buy a load of new units, but on the other hand I can't see the O&G release shifting a lot of new models like the skaven book has. Plus it doesn't sound like they're going to need a Wave 2. Still I suppose there could still be some surprises in the release...

If O&G go hardback and at $50 a book (or even just $40), this is probably the last army I'll continue work on maintaining / updating with the editions. I'm not going to put out $115-$125+ for each new editions' rulebook and a single core book: It simply isn't feasible.

Plastic SOrcs, however, is an "About damn time". Hopefully they'll be some good models, sorta like plasticized versions of the current metal ones, and not, well, let's just say "over the top" with design. Also, I'm predicting they'll either go at standard Orc Boyz pricing (19 for 35), or the "Standard" $25 / 10 pricing for many kits now.

Some more rumours:

BramGaunt wrote:For the book: It's supposed to be full color, hardcover, 130+ pages.(...)
My guess would be +50% price, yes. Sadly.

Darnok wrote:Just something a little bird told me:

Animosity is going to get a bit more complex. Units are supposed to infight and/or shoot/attack others. But the potential benefits are bigger as well.

In general, the point costs are supposed to be lower.

The Arachnork spider is going to be huge (just think of a beast being able to spit on the WHF buildings - from above!). The profile is based around the number 7... its biggest problem seems to be the goblin crew.

Choppas give a strenght-bonus in the first round of a charge. Every Ork weapon is a choppa now - spears, magical weapons... a BO would attack with +3S in the first round of combat, as an example.

The number of magic items is going to be drastically reduced.

Feral Orks on boars... think S5... potentially 4A... dangerous on the charge...

Black Orks might get another attack on top of what they have, and seem to be more dangerous than before.

Most interesting: there are a few new units without models. When those will be released... no idea.

Again: thank you little bird.

Believe it when I see it...as usual.

I do have high hopes for this one as the author, Jeremy, was very enthusiastic about it.

Ah, sounds like there might well be new stuff in the book... guess we'll see

So a spider bigger than a house

The spider sounds good, but overall I can't help but to feel disappointed about the small number of new (plastic) items.

And I am fine with the current army books/codex. I don't need a more expensive hardcover.

To be fair, they had a big second wave of plastics last May.

Flashman wrote:Hardback armybooks, as somebody has already suggested, just strikes me as a reason to charge more money. If this flies, expect all the existing paperback army books to be re-released in hardback....

Actually I would suggest it much more likely that this will mean all future army books will be in this format, I really wouldn't hold out for reprints of the "current" books.

I wonder what the motivation is behind suddenly going hardback and full colour. If it is true mind ya'll.

It's keeping the style that the 8th edition Warhammer book and gaming aids set. And personally I like this style and fnd it inspiring.

So if this works we can expect the 6th edition of 40k to go down a similar road as well. Interesting.

Kroothawk wrote:To be fair, they had a big second wave of plastics last May.

True, but perhaps they could have released other stuff back then and have a big release now. This feels like a glorified second wave release.


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reds8n wrote:

Flashman wrote:Hardback armybooks, as somebody has already suggested, just strikes me as a reason to charge more money. If this flies, expect all the existing paperback army books to be re-released in hardback....

Actually I would suggest it much more likely that this will mean all future army books will be in this format, I really wouldn't hold out for reprints of the "current" books.

Could it mean the Grey Knights codex is hardcover as well?

Kroothawk wrote:[Snip]

Thanks for the Darnok stuff, going to cover it by quoting him directly:

Darnok wrote:Animosity is going to get a bit more complex. Units are supposed to infight and/or shoot/attack others. But the potential benefits are bigger as well.

I don't mind potential for greater loss... if for Gork's sake, it's not "One in six" still. Rolls of one rolling on a table like the old book (but with six now making you attack yourself instead of charging forward), and Six still making you charge forward (but now with probably something like "Hatred" or "Frenzy" added on that turn) is not an improvement in any way, and in fact a damn sight worse.

Hopefully, by more "Complex", they don't just mean "Combine 6th Ed and 7th Ed with some special rules thrown in." Being GW, however, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if this was the case.

Darnok wrote:In general, the point costs are supposed to be lower.

Depending on how Animosity is changed, either yay or boo (boo because that might be making them a bit too strong, depending on how Animosity works / other changes). A Common Goblin with Shield and Spear is as much as a Clanrat with Shield and Spear. Personally, which one would you take: The WS2 I2 Ld6 one, or the WS3 I4 Ld5-8 one?

Darnok wrote:The Arachnork spider is going to be huge (just think of a beast being able to spit on the WHF buildings - from above!). The profile is based around the number 7... its biggest problem seems to be the goblin crew.

I can't see it being WS7, but interesting concept none the less. I7 I can somewhat readily see (since Giant Spiders are already the fastest models in the current army that aren't Night Goblin Lords), but the only thing I can really see 7's otherwise is Leadership, Attacks, and Wounds. Strength seven is stronger than a Giant, Toughness seven is tougher than a Giant, etcetera. Hopefully this isn't intended as a replacement to the Giant, but...

Wait, can a Giant ride an Arachnork?

Darnok wrote:Choppas give a strenght-bonus in the first round of a charge. Every Ork weapon is a choppa now - spears, magical weapons... a BO would attack with +3S in the first round of combat, as an example.

I can understand this, if a bit lamentable. +1 Strength the first round for a single handed weapon, charge or not, was a bit rough - especially with the new "Strike back" rules - in that a unit of Big 'Uns would carve you up even if you charged them (Oh hai, enjoy my 18 S5 attacks back). Added to Great Weapons and Spears and the like, though? Ehhhh, sorta interesting there. For Great Weapons, we're looking at basic BOrcs being S7 then, which is a bit nasty. Spears I can understand as now people might actually want to use them again (And have a reason to charge with them, too), but Magic Items is an odd one (unless it's tacked on like how a lot of current Orc magic items gave +1S the first round).

Darnok wrote:The number of magic items is going to be drastically reduced.

No surprise there. I already predicted that things going bye-bye this edition will be:
Screamin' Sword
Amulet of Protectyness
Tricksy Trinket
Collar of Zorga

And a few other items. If these avoid the cut, I'll be surprised. Would imagine there to be at least two solid pages of magic items, though (or one full page front-to-back, anyways). I can't see them cutting to less than one full page of magic items a book, unless they really want to make character builds alike.

Darnok wrote:Feral Orks on boars... think S5... potentially 4A... dangerous on the charge...

Will they be different than Savage Orcs, or the same with a separate name (translation to Feral?)? S5 and A4 is about right with them from last edition, if made Big 'Uns. And unless they provide more bonus' than "S5 A3 / A4", they still aren't going to be worth it unless taking a major price drop.

Darnok wrote:Black Orks might get another attack on top of what they have, and seem to be more dangerous than before.

'bout time. Don't get me wrong: They had good statlines. WS4, no Animosity, S4, potential for 4+ / 6+ save, "Armed to da Teef", not bad. However, they aren't a unit that 400+ points a justified makes.

Darnok wrote:Most interesting: there are a few new units without models. When those will be released... no idea.

Good thing I still have a few boxes to build.

Didn't see it, but the Orcs and Goblins black box should be in your local gaming stores sometime around feb 11th

I've heard that us O&G players are getting a monster like the stegadon but its might be a wyvern type monster; and their could be a new plastic orc boyz kit.

I have an idea about the new 'Format' of the books. What if it takes after our rulebooks, where we get a nice hardcover book...and a plastic box set with a watered down copy? Wouldn't it be absolutely killer (I mean common sense, sorry) to have the Battalions contain not only a playable starter army but rules for that army to boot? The Hardcovers would be for the Collectors or the Vets that already have an army.

Personally I love hardcover books, I'm a collector

What prevents GW from printing both soft and hard cover army books?

Privateer does it with their 2 rule books and 10 faction books.

More rumours by Blutkind over at Warseer:

Arachnorak:
Bigger as the Screaming Bell
Can be a mount for a shaman
Can be a mount for a bolt thrower or a net launcher (this one reduces stats).
Rare Choice

Goblin Slittaz:
Upgrade for normal Goblin units, but they are not hiding.
WS 4
A 3, Armourpiercing, ASF
Looking like Ninjas

Wurzzag on foot is coming definitely.
Savage Orcs Boars 5 in one box
Savage Orcs 10 in one box, but so much parts, that you can say you have 11.

... and BramGaunt:

General Orc boys could get a point more expensive, with a possible improvement in stats.

Goblins could get a little cheaper.

Choppa's indeed apply to any weapon.

Trolls move from rare to special, while rivertrolls and stonetrolsl remain rare.

Savage Orcs get a very fun option I will reveal when the pics of the miniatures are shown, though they speak for themselves... =)

Oh, and there apperantly IS a kind of Squig fanatic. I still don't buy this one.

Ninja Goblins?! that sounds awesome and I would have to buy some of them just for fun. Better sounding idea than the Ogre ninja Maneater. I mean an ogre a ninja really, that would be the funniest thing ever a stealthy ogre!!

Can't wait to see the new minis and may dig out the boyz for a new waaaggghh.

blast, now i'm gonna be at work thinking about how to incorporate ninja goblins into my grot guard

Well Ogre Kingdoms need it more, but they better keep the night goblins nice and cheap, or do some extra special and rare choices. New stone trolls would be cool too.

Well I guess I need large spiders for my boar boys and have a spider loving orc and gobbo army.

Seem's GW seen where the RPGs have been going for a while.

They generally sell less than anything else associated in the army (par special characters) so want to gain maximum profit by making them hardback to justify a hike in the cost of the book.

If it is I'm seeing £25-30 same as a typical RPG book. If's it's less than £25 I'd be pretty impressed, at £20 it's not even a worry.

However if it was say upper end near £30, will that wash with the parents buying stuff for their kiddies getting into the hobby, I'd suggest it'll be another negative.

I persoanlly don't mind paying the extra myself if its good quality.
As a collector of a couple of RPG's, there is something marvellous about have a lined up set of Hardbacks on the shelf.