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Wyrmalla wrote:Bolters. They work under the principles of gyrojet weaponary-each round's self propelled-, yet they have ejecting ports and shell casings.¬¬

I though they worked like a Javalin missile (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VdRnY-TUb4&feature=related) at the start as in it has a small charge that will propell it to say 20ft effectively, but ussually the gyrojet kicked in before that so the actual gyrojet may be caseless but the primer charge isn't

plus you would need a ejection slot to clear un-properly blessed ammo (jams)

Gibbsey wrote:not meaning to start a debate here but i always thought bolter shells were a hybrid of conventional bullets and gyrojet. Gyrojet being inacurate just after it comes out of the barrel, so the initial shell gives it speed and then the gyrojets kick in making it even faster. So bolter shot = conventional bullet + gyrojet + explosive which if you could get it working would be a good bullet.....

That's my take on it too.

Wyrmalla wrote:Its been god knows how many thousand years, but why are there no significant cultural changes depicted in the mainstream of planets- bugger all's changed in the 10,000+ years on Cadia's since its been in the Imperium, sept they armour they wear...a little.

Hasn't there? 40K fluff is hardly a cultural treatise, all we know is that Cadians are Cadians and they are constantly under attack from the Eye of Terror, leading them to have a very militaristic society. Nothing in there about civilian cultural trends at all.

How backward the technology of the supposed high age of science really is. Is a Leman Russ in any way a practical tank design by today's standards?

Probably? It's nearly indestructible against the equivalents of modern day anti-tank weapons and mounts a cannon that could flatten a building in a single shot, along with a potential several large caliber rocket launching machine guns.

Why the hell did it take so long for humanity to progress to the stage where it could travel outside of its own sytem? bs really just to fill in the years leading up to the big 41,000 really.¬¬

It sort of did disseminate through the galaxy pretty early, then sort of fell apart in civil war, before warpstorms made travel all but impossible. Then the Eldar fell, Slaanesh was born, and all the turbulence they'd been stirring up went quite, so the Emperor on Terra launched his great crusade to unite humanity.

The overall incompatence of the Imperium. Dan Abnett tries to make it all a bit more realistic with his novels...but no amount of common sence can blot out the amount of poor writing out there.

At least in Gaunt's Ghosts, Abnett is one of the worst offenders there. Everyone with power is either insane, slowed, malicious, or retardedly malicious and insane, all to make Gaunt, the Paragon of Mediocrity, look like a genius.

In the Eisenhorn and Ravenor trilogies, however, yeah, Abnett does a good job of not portraying things as derptastically as some authors.

Heliodore wrote:When Corax says "Never More." At that moment I knew that the Index Astartes articles were soon to end.

So he's actually Edgar Allen Poe in power armor? Interesting.

FM Ninja 048 wrote:

Wyrmalla wrote:Bolters. They work under the principles of gyrojet weaponary-each round's self propelled-, yet they have ejecting ports and shell casings.¬¬

I though they worked like a Javalin missile (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VdRnY-TUb4&feature=related) at the start as in it has a small charge that will propell it to say 20ft effectively, but ussually the gyrojet kicked in before that so the actual gyrojet may be caseless but the primer charge isn't

plus you would need a ejection slot to clear un-properly blessed ammo (jams)

Actually this is based off of an element of sci-fi. that is based on an actual theory. Look up the "Scram Cannon" the idea behind the bolter is actually sound.

Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka, comes to Armageddon gets beaten due to an old Commissar called Yarrick.

50 years later, he comes back bigger meaner and stronger and gets beaten by the older Commissar Yarrick.

Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka then then is on the run from the aforementioned Commissar who has a few marines in tow.

Ghazghkull mag uruk thraka
mag uruk thraka
marg aret thatcher
margaret thatcher

oh and raven guard:
RG saying- "...darkness there, and nothing more."
Last word of Corax- "nevermore"
Raven guard drill sergeant Alenpo
RAVEN guard

Edgar ALAN POE (Alen po)'s the RAVEN (guard).
The only thing the raven (guard) in the peom says is "nevermore".
It includes the line "darkness there, and nothing more."

hmm...

Wyrmalla wrote:Bolters. They work under the principles of gyrojet weaponary-each round's self propelled-, yet they have ejecting ports and shell casings.¬¬

Its been god knows how many thousand years, but why are there no significant cultural changes depicted in the mainstream of planets- bugger all's changed in the 10,000+ years on Cadia's since its been in the Imperium, sept they armour they wear...a little.

How backward the technology of the supposed high age of science really is. Is a Leman Russ in any way a practical tank design by today's standards? Why the hell did it take so long for humanity to progress to the stage where it could travel outside of its own sytem? bs really just to fill in the years leading up to the big 41,000 really.¬¬

The overall incompatence of the Imperium. Dan Abnett tries to make it all a bit more realistic with his novels...but no amount of common sence can blot out the amount of poor writing out there.

Leman Russ trumps over modern tanks,read Honor Guard they get hit by a 180 mm hypervelocity cannon and their armor laughs it off.
Also Leman Russ may suck as a design,but count on handwavium materials.
Also read the novel Daemon World it contains a functioning Dark Age warship(has plasma reactors which tap into warp to generate power,IoM probably uses this since their Plasma reactors don't behave as a normal fusion reactors(they've blown a planet in the 13th Black Crusade with them).
I could go on,but I need some sleep.

Wardragoon wrote:Im surprised noones said this, It's the year 40000, there are aliens with various gauss weaponry mass hordes etc. yet there are human(arguably) groups that still prefer goin toe to toe with an enemy

Ehh it's understandable. Think of it this way. Back in the middle ages armor had surpassed ranged weapons. Not all but most ranged weapons were less effective against the armor of the day. Then came guns & armor took a back seat. It's just a balance. If at some point in the future armor again surpasses ranged weaponry we will see a return to CQB.

The references to other movies and the like hidden inside Black Library novels are also quite amusing.

In Nick Kyme's 'Firedrake': 'Does it hurt,' he asked, 'when they come out?'

Zartath exhaled and stood down. The blades slid back into his forearms, 'Aye, every time.'

In Abnett's 'Ravenor': He'd been in worse positions, Nayl thought. But right now, he couldn't bring a single one to mind.

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Be kinda even more amusing if they're un-intentional.

Also, the Space Wolves quote about Leman Russ for Shrike:

'Do you recall the time he drank all that stormwine on Sirenia and tried to throw the bloody spear at the moon? Took us four days to find it afterwards.' He chuckled ruefully and grinned at Ragnar. 'Truth be told, he hated that big boar-sticker, but the Allfather gave it to him as a gift, so he was stuck with it. He dragged it out for ceremonies, and then he'd stick it in a corner somewhere and forget about it. Drove his huscarls mad.'

Best line ever is when Captain Garro. Smilies and stabs the daemon in the face.

Might sound stupid, but who writes the cain books(sounds like the type of humor I like)

Wardragoon wrote:Might sound stupid, but who writes the cain books(sounds like the type of humor I like)

Sandy Mitchell, my young padawan.

The first book in the series is 'For The Emperor.'

Blood Pact
p.384
A tour guide Gaunt hired to show him around a battlefield on Balhaut mentions that the site of Gaunts death was on the tour and that he had died during the action there 15 years ago. Gaunt then turns to his companions and whispers 'Honestly, i didn't'.

jonolikespie wrote:Blood Pact
p.384
A tour guide Gaunt hired to show him around a battlefield on Balhaut mentions that the site of Gaunts death was on the tour and that he had died during the action there 15 years ago. Gaunt then turns to his companions and whispers 'Honestly, i didn't'.

That part made me laugh so hard! XD

Srry to be a little off topic but Gaunt's ghosts has got t be the best 40k I've ever read, I don't care what anyone else has to say about it, its funny, its got action, drama, betrayal, lifelike characters, and all that good stuff in there.

okay back on topic:

The part of Ciaphas Cain in "The Traitors hand" at the very end when Cain is brought to trial by his rival Commissar and they convict HIM instead of Cain. The guy just sits there with a shocked expression on his face going "Wha wha wha wha?" XD

jonolikespie wrote:Blood Pact
p.384
A tour guide Gaunt hired to show him around a battlefield on Balhaut mentions that the site of Gaunts death was on the tour and that he had died during the action there 15 years ago. Gaunt then turns to his companions and whispers 'Honestly, i didn't'.

I like the bit where he goes on to say about a load of heroic people dying and Gaunt is quietly contradicting him everytime.

Lets see...
- Any caption from the Ork dex, especially Wazdakka That ork is a complete maniac on 2 wheels.
- Nork Deddog. He's like that huge guy in films that's not so smart but tries really hard to impress and help out
- Any battle material where the Tau lose. It's like they don't know what losing is Waaagh! Grog for example. Orks turn up and start a fight with some kroot. Tau join in and win fight. War declared by orks. First battle not so good. Second battle orks bring masses of firepower. Third battle the orks outwit the Tau by feigning a fall-back then using sweeping advance on either flank. Tau = shocked XD
- The Eldar. I always found it amusing that they were all high and mighty, got really engrosed in it and then managed to screw themselves over by creating a rift in the warp (eye of terror) AND create a new chaos god to munch on them after death Idiots.
- Slaaneshi worshippers/DArk Eldar. Only because we can imagine what rude and sexually horrific things they get up to

Juvieus Kaine wrote:...Third battle the orks outwit the...

I sorry, but to me that seems funny enough without much else. It a sad sad day when anyone is outwitted by an ork.

Pyro-Druid wrote:

Juvieus Kaine wrote:...Third battle the orks outwit the...

I sorry, but to me that seems funny enough without much else. It a sad sad day when anyone is outwitted by an ork.

Orks aren't smart... Orks are cunnin.

purplefood wrote:

Pyro-Druid wrote:

Juvieus Kaine wrote:...Third battle the orks outwit the...

I sorry, but to me that seems funny enough without much else. It a sad sad day when anyone is outwitted by an ork.

Orks aren't smart... Orks are cunnin.

Many a general has thought the orks to be dumb beasts, only to be horribly outwitted by them and wiped out. Kunnin' and Brutal, the orky way!

Or is it Brutal and Kunnin...

vorpalhit wrote:Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka, comes to Armageddon gets beaten due to an old Commissar called Yarrick.

50 years later, he comes back bigger meaner and stronger and gets beaten by the older Commissar Yarrick.

Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka then then is on the run from the aforementioned Commissar who has a few marines in tow.

They've never actually physically fought, though. Yes, he's been beaten in war(TWICE) by one of the few humans who actually understands the mentality of Orks and uses it to his advantage. The same one who also happens to be the only human Ghazgkul respects, so much so that when he captured Yarrick(between the 2 wars), he let him go just so that he'd be able to battle wits with Yarrick again. Ghazgkul's become obsessed with the man. Fluff suggests that just mentioning his name will throw Ghaz into a huge rant about both how brilliant and worthy an enemy he is and how frustrating fighting him is.

Platuan4th wrote:

vorpalhit wrote:Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka, comes to Armageddon gets beaten due to an old Commissar called Yarrick.

50 years later, he comes back bigger meaner and stronger and gets beaten by the older Commissar Yarrick.

Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka then then is on the run from the aforementioned Commissar who has a few marines in tow.

They've never actually physically fought, though.

They have. Ghazghkull headbutted yarrick but he lived.

Yarrick-The only normal human to survive a headbutt by a warboss lol

IoM guys who can survibe a ghaz headbutt:
SM captains (like cortez- the tough ones)
yarrick
ogryns
TH/SS termies
shrike (he'd dodge it)
dreads
gaunt & cain (knowing them)
priests (da emprah will protect them)
chaplains (see preists)

people who could beat up ghaz:
shrike (maybe)
TH/SS termies
Lysander


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Thought I'd do a short bit on calgar.
people who could kill calgar in C:SM:
no-one.
people who could kill calgar in other codexes:
dante
mephiston
eldrad
avatar
abbaddon
ghazghkull
grimnar
grimaldus
emperor's champion
drazkhar
swarmlord
old one eye
doom of malan'tai

Uplifting Primeramocles Edition and Departmento Munitorium Manual(the part about the top secret part on which you must not look).

Another; not fluff so much but the developed view on Usarkar Creed and his Tactical Genius

Chaos Lord: "We have this planet in our grasp! Nothing can stop us now!"
*Baneblade from behind a bush*
Cultist: "But that's impossible! Only a tactical genius can do that-"
Chaos Lord: "CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED!!!!!"

Juvieus Kaine wrote:Another; not fluff so much but the developed view on Usarkar Creed and his Tactical Genius

Chaos Lord: "We have this planet in our grasp! Nothing can stop us now!"
*Baneblade from behind a bush*
Cultist: "But that's impossible! Only a tactical genius can do that-"
Chaos Lord: "CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED!!!!!"

Speaking of which I believe there is a quote in the SM codex about terminators:

Rebel on radio: No, I don't think they'd try that, we've got the tunnel covered with an autocannon and--

*Terminator deepstrikes behind him, uses chainfist to kill all rebels.*

Terminator: Deepstrike assault successful, area clear

and of course there are always those mishaps on the tabletop

Me: So your gonna deepstrike?

my friend: yup *rolls dice*

Me: So we calculate that and.......haha, whaddya know, off the board!

my friend: Shut up.......

not exactly fluff buts its happened

For me it's deffinatly when von strabbs virus bombs went of over his own men on armageddon.

Or when grotsnik gave very nob in his tribe an exloding skull and the description of the grots putting his brain back in, which means grotsnikns running round with sick and a spider in his head

Oh and lorgar because in the first heretic he just needs someone to worship awww, he should worship himself. also i laughed so hard when he bitch slapped malcador and punched guilman, and then talks about how much he hates him ha

When the Tau killed a Keeper of Secrets, and thought they killed Slaanesh.

Subtle joke in the Uplifting Primer too, in the sanctioned psyker entry. It's a sticker with "They're a necessary evil" on it, when you can see "exterminate" underneath.

VenerableBrotherPelinore wrote:The references to other movies and the like hidden inside Black Library novels are also quite amusing.

In Duty Calls, the name of a Plateau that had Sauropods on i, called Konnandail.

Made me smile slightly.