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whoadirty wrote:

abatha wrote:
they surely will allow it eventually, the crusader was supposedly a purely BT thing but then everyone wanted them, might take a while tho, for friendly battles tho i certainly wouldnt begrudge an opponent a DA stormraven for example.. providing said someone brings along the rules (which cunningly aren't on the store site). from a fluff point of view surely blood angels dont have a greater well of resources than say marneus calgar and his little empire?

I'm just getting back into the game - are the rules for the Storm Raven in the BA codex?

yep

CT GAMER wrote:

shrike wrote:5 marines can fit in a rhino. This thing is just overstepped the "marines are contorionists" line.
rhino- looks like 5 can comftably fit.
razor- see above.
land raider- 10 marines can comftably fit.
this? 5 marines can squish in.
Oh, and most SM vehicles don't need to be aerodynamic. The TH has enough engines and stuff to keep it in the air IMO.

The Stormraven shares the same aesthetics as all marine vehicles regardless of how you want to rationalize your stance...

+1.
And I guess the body has EXACT Land Raider body size (sans tracks of course)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tee9XodZou8



OFFICIAL GW YTUBE VIDEO ON THE RELEASES.

OP post it in your post?

Over all I'm disappointed!

Agree with the Stormraven being too stubby but I can live with that, I'll be getting at least one for sure. (Pre-ordered)

The Dreads....well, don't really know what to say? Feels like a bit of a cop-out really. They could of done so much more with the Librarian variant. The DC one looks like my Chaplain one that I'm working on and the Frag Cannon looks like a total rip from Khador!

I'm probably get the Dread box anyway cause I always need more right-hand fists and the icons/bits are usually nice. Not sure which variant I'll do though.

fox40 wrote:that turret that people keep moaning about will look so good as a razorback turret, i have ordered one already but plan on getting 3.

as for the brick/aerodynamics criticism - its fantasy, based in the very distant future where there are hovering tanks, jet bikes, jump packs etc. they dont need to worry about aerodynamics. how aerodynamic is a borg cube? or the tardis? aerodynamics mean nothing when you have cheap abundant power and anti grav capability.

People are willing to forgive a lot if they think it looks cool. Those that do or don't like it don't need to justify themselves either way as far as their attempts to articulate what the problem is. For me, your examples are bad, as they as none of them are meant to be in-atmostphere aircraft. Would a land-speeder fly either? No... but it's sillouette looks balanced evenly distributed, hopefully if you agree on that point I think you will see what people really mean when they say 'aerodynamic' in this context. It's just a question of visual balance and opinions thereof.

As to the back section, IMO -

A you couldnt fit a dread under there anyways, the tail strut is too big
B there are no gubbins or servos visible, and if they are there, they are going to be a little too atrophied for my personal tastes.

Still. Kit is ordered, I look forward to working on it, despite my criticisms, I think it will be fantastic source material to convert and paint up!

whoadirty wrote:

I'm just getting back into the game - are the rules for the Storm Raven in the BA codex?

Yeah they're in there!

Quite like the Librarian Dreadnought, but it's still a daft idea. The rest is complete "Meh" to me, but totally wrapped up in Fantasy at the moment so ho hum.

CT GAMER wrote:If we are gonna nerdrage and rant, at least put some thought behind it...

I don't think you 'get' Dakka.

I wonder if Grey Knights'll have access to a Psycannon turret.

shrike wrote:Shrike remains unconvinced by the stormpelican/stormfish- type thing...

Did you just refer to yourself in the third person?

Anyway...

It looks WAY better than I thought, but dammit - where is the dread supposed to fit?!?

fox40 wrote:that turret that people keep moaning about will look so good as a razorback turret, i have ordered one already but plan on getting 3.

as for the brick/aerodynamics criticism - its fantasy, based in the very distant future where there are hovering tanks, jet bikes, jump packs etc. they dont need to worry about aerodynamics. how aerodynamic is a borg cube? or the tardis? aerodynamics mean nothing when you have cheap abundant power and anti grav capability.

the brick criticism comes in when a significant portion of people responding simply don't think the vehicle looks "cool". if something is cool (whether an official model or a conversion), you tend to gloss over things and suspend disbelief. when you simply don't like a model's aesthetics overall, you'll start criticising individual details if someone disagrees with your opinion. the borg cube is cool (and operates in space where you don't need aerodynamics - see the ISS). the tardis doesn't look cool but is bigger inside so IS cool. the stormraven is a flying brick with a stupid looking turret in front of a chimney... not cool.

On the back in a clamp I guess.

Bit disappointed in the lack of a rear view. But hey, Blackboxes in Stores this week. I'll go have a hands-on methinks.

Mr Mystery wrote:On the back in a clamp I guess.

Bit disappointed in the lack of a rear view. But hey, Blackboxes in Stores this week. I'll go have a hands-on methinks.

check about a page back. someone posted a screenshot of the even uglier end of the bird.

Yeah, which doesn't appear to show ANY mechanism whatsoever for holding a Dreadnought, hence my question...

abatha wrote:im not entirely sold on the chickenship, or the totally unprotected ammo feed.. i think somebody is getting a flank full of shrapnel when that gets shot up.



magna grapple looks awesome tho

Not nearly as awesome as the Blood Fist / Blood Talons / whatever the claws are called...

i may be turning into majortom11 now but i just noticed that the dread has protection for his frank and beans ala the crotch armor plate. the dread definitely looks cool though, with enough parts to clearly distinguish between the three flavors visually.

FM Ninja 048 wrote:

If you look between the rear landing gear there is a door under the hull on the bottom of it there is no outside ride for the dread

So the Stormraven... like... gives birth... to the dread?

Somehow, that's nasty.

Still, 2 ordered! Thank you, Mr Wayland Games!

Phil

I'm slowly being brought round to the chibi hawk. Might be good to get a conversion out of.

As for the dreads, think they are probably conversion fodder too, perticularly the Libby dread. Needs more to it really but a good start for a conversion. Having 3 in 1 box like that there was always going to be some compremise somewhere.

Good point about the death company dread, front will probably work for a caplain dread conversion Will IMO look better than the Forgeworld one anyway.

Looking back to the orginal picture and my comments that the chibi hawk may have been some kind of test mock up, I think I have been proved correct. The top turret is smaller, the front retros bigger (I think), the back wing a bit smaller and better positioned.
There is still the problem of the gap at the back, but then people were arguing where to put the dread, and GW will no doubt go down the buy a Stormraven and buy a Dread(or vise versa) you can use them together marketing (i.e. squeasing every penny).

looks like i'll be ordering mine from UK, not our local GW store as the price difference is crazy... $96 nz dollars =46.2746 GBP

or buy for UK website at ...27.70Pound... uk Dread...

and flying chicken /chibi hawk .. $142 New Zealand $ ==68.7882 GBP

or buy at 41 pound...

even with postage I'll be saving........Our store over here's only excuse is .... BUT YOU DON"T HAVE TO WAIT.... YOU CAN HAVE IT NOW.......

i can wait....3 weeks for post.... With that kind of saving I think ALL Us DAKKA's would? Or am I Wrong?????

Yeah, two of thoses are 182$ here with taxes (in Canada). From UK, 107$, delivered. A whooping 40% less and I don't have to get my lazy bum to the store.

Phil

The regular Furioso front reminds me of a clown the way GW painted it up with it's wing-ears and blood drop nose

Too bad the first time they chose to not give us several separate sarcophagus fronts they give us a built in one that isn't that good looking (Imo).

The Librarian version looks good enough (I was hoping the Blood Fists would be the same as the Ironclad's close combat weapon arm though, and the Force Weapon to be "hand"-held), and the Death Company dread's skull just needs a metal paint job to make it not appear as if it is somehow supposed to be a real (hugely oversized) skull.

Maybe you guys who complain it cant fly can just use a librarian dreanought as the cargo and model it like the dread is flying across the board carrying the stormraven

boreas wrote:Yeah, two of thoses are 182$ here with taxes (in Canada). From UK, 107$, delivered. A whooping 40% less and I don't have to get my lazy bum to the store.

Phil

What the effing eff is going on with GW's pricing structure?

Still, we can use the export orders, so, please, buy three!

boreas wrote:Yeah, two of thoses are 182$ here with taxes (in Canada). From UK, 107$, delivered. A whooping 40% less and I don't have to get my lazy bum to the store.

Phil

just make sure you took conversion rates into account

don't worry I did... i never buy anything from our local GW, Always from our local web Auction/trademe or ebay, bitsbox.uk or similar.

sonofruss wrote:If you look between the rear landing gear there is a door under the hull on the bottom of it there is no outside ride for the dread

I think that "door" is the rear assault ramp. No way 10(?) marines AND a Dreadnought fit into the interior of that thing. A dreadnought doesn't fit through that opening either.

GW will probably use the "scale isn't entirely accurate" excuse again like with the other Marine transports, even though there is a correctly scaled Marine in the cockpit

TBD wrote:
I think that "door" is the rear assault ramp. No way 10(?) marines AND a Dreadnought fit into the interior of that thing. A dreadnought doesn't fit through that opening either.

GW will probably use the "scale isn't entirely accurate" excuse again like with the other Marine transports, even though there is a correctly scaled Marine in the cockpit

To be slightly generous, 'drop ships' that carry mecha tend to be a little weird. RIFTS actually had a cool one: the German book detailed one that looked kind of like a transport helicopter and had the power armor suspended on a drop rack.It still looked awkward, and was faster than walking the mecha, but probably not by much. Orbital transport wasn't relevant in the setting, as space was supposed to be very, very scary.

The root issue is just that a Dreadnought is, what, twice as tall as a Space Marine, maybe three times? So that's 14-21 feet tall in scale for the transport compartment, which makes things awkward. I still think it might have been nice if they had done the design with space or hatches that was obviosuly designed for a Dreadnought in it. As is, this looks like the modeling team wasn't talking to the writing team.

"and here it goes! Hey, ward- we've finished sculpting the stormraven!"
"you do know it's meant to have a dread in it, right?"
"...no problemo! I'll just make it taller here, cut this chunk off the back...presto!"
"...how does the dread cling on?"
"...it holds on!"
"to what?"
"...it punches a hole through the back and hangs by it's arm!"
"what if it has two AC's?"
".......then it sticks it's...foot...in it...and hangs...upside down?"
"...meh. Okay."

bhsman wrote:EDIT:

MagickalMemories wrote:Bjorn the fell handed? Apparently, GW still hasn't caught on that Dreads *should*not*be*made*of*metal.
Sheesh.

Are you serious?

Why wouldn't I be?
Metal Dreads weigh too darn much and are a pain in the butt to assemble.

Eric

shrike wrote:"and here it goes! Hey, ward- we've finished sculpting the stormraven!"
"you do know it's meant to have a dread in it, right?"
"...no problemo! I'll just make it taller here, cut this chunk off the back...presto!"
"...how does the dread cling on?"
"...it holds on!"
"to what?"
"...it punches a hole through the back and hangs by it's arm!"
"what if it has two AC's?"
".......then it sticks it's...foot...in it...and hangs...upside down?"
"...meh. Okay."

At least you didn't third person bomb us again...

I wish there were a few less blood drops on some of the bits, but it is plastic, so converting will be somewhat easy!

That DC dread is going to make an awesome Chaplain dread!