Squigs n Gretchens - WH40K Mafia Game - Game Over - Gretchin Win!? Vindicare Unlucky

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**Mordoskul**

Personally, I'm not getting a scummy vibe from RiTides. I'm going to wait and see.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

BishopGore wrote:What's a Vig? I think some of your shortened terms are confusing others, they're definitely confusing me...

I was using the it for vigilante, assuming thats what Thor meant by V. Alternatively I was thinking it would be like the Night Lords Aspirant.

**SagesStone**

Vote Update
BishopGore - 0 -
Mordoskul - 0 -
Jburch - 0 -
boss storm - 1 - (Thor)
Thor656 - 1 - (Ri)
RiTides - 2 - (BrotherStynier, Krellnus)
BrotherStynier - 0 -
Krellnus - 1 - (Jburch)
Vulkan_He'stan - 0 -
No Lynch - 0 -

With 9 left alive a majority of 5 votes is required for a lynch. This phase will end on the 19th, timer provided here.
If time were to run out Ri would currently be lynched.

Vote Log
Ri vote Thor
Thor vote Boss Storm
Jburch vote Krellnus
BrotherStynier vote Ri
Krellnus vote Ri

**BishopGore**

Is vigilante the random element that wins automatically if all scum die before he is discovered? Or am I thinking of another game...

**Vulkan_He'stan**

vigilante are just like the standard ones I brelive

**BishopGore**

... Eh? They're just like the standard ones of what?

Ah never mind, if we're looking for scum, let's look and not be sidetracked. We have at least one powered character out there, a role able to night kill. Whether he is on the good side or his own side remains to be seen. We also have one or more squigs which definitely need to die, because they can nom through us all one by one.

I don't agree with Thor, nor do I agree with RiTides. I think RiTides is still twitchy from dying last game rather than scum. I think Thor is being fairly town.

Vulkan is a bit lurky, Mordo is a bit more involved. No clue about JBurch or Krellnus as I have nothing to go from.

Vote: BrotherStynier

He is leading a lynch on someone who is twitchy and an easy target. That kind of thinking worries me, especially since it also convinced Krellnus to follow. A charismatic squig is a fearsome prospect.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

So you think I am guilty for doing something that someone would have done for another person anyway? Or are you maybe you know something I don't about RiTides?

**VictorVonTzeentch**

Also I believe you are forgetting that I had voted for Rabitorian the last round and didn't unvote to prevent his lynching. His lynching would have been something I would have tried to avoid, and a little in site, where I the Squig, I would have steered the group towards Thor.

**RiTides**

I'm confused, although apparently no one else is... a scum died during the night, right? How is that possible? Does this mean that they cannot communicate with one another and are also having to "guess" who is town and who is scum?

I see your arguments about me, and they make sense. However, I can tell you that if I was a squig I would have killed Thor early, being the biggest threat (so clearly demonstrated last game which, as a very reasonable request, I will stop being hung up about

) unless I wanted to lead people in the wrong direction.

I wouldn't say my flipping town should necessarily point to Thor- it could just as easily point to someone trying to frame Thor.

Could I get some town opinions one how many scum there are? It must be at least 3, since we're still playing... if it's 4 then there'd still be 2 left, but that's an awful lot of scum.

Given that 2 people died in the night, I think there were 3 scum to start.

1. We lynched Rab during the day
2. Both scum make blind kills during the night (not being allowed to communicate). One accidentally kills the other scum!
3. There's one scum left

Does this sound right? If so, even if I die I think we're going to win... but then again we still have to find the last scum...

Let me know if I can address any concerns that I may have overlooked. I know one of my main suspicions has been when people don't adequately answer their accusers, and yes my little vendetta against Thor has been a holdover... but also one of practicality, given that I figured he was the most dangerous either way. However, I'm willing to consider other options, and looking at people who posted early in the thread (of which I'll note that I am not one) is probably a good place to start.

Thoughts?

**Jburch**

Maybe I am mistaken,...but isnt there a role of like a sheriff or something..who can kill scum during the night? Maybe not...but I was thinking that there was something along those lines.

That would make sense..seeing as how our gretchin friend was mangled all to hell..and the scum that was killed was perhaps shot (judging by the description)

**SagesStone**

Vote Update
BishopGore - 0 -
Mordoskul - 0 -
Jburch - 0 -
boss storm - 1 - (Thor)
Thor656 - 1 - (Ri)
RiTides - 2 - (BrotherStynier, Krellnus)
BrotherStynier - 1 - (Bishop)
Krellnus - 1 - (Jburch)
Vulkan_He'stan - 0 -
No Lynch - 0 -

With 9 left alive a majority of 5 votes is required for a lynch. This phase will end on the 19th, timer provided here.
If time were to run out Ri would currently be lynched.

Vote Log
Ri vote Thor
Thor vote Boss Storm
Jburch vote Krellnus
BrotherStynier vote Ri
Krellnus vote Ri
Bishop vote BrotherStynier

**Thor665**

Hullo all - I'm back. I'm going to hit up the basic conversation points I see at the moment. I'll be back tomorrow sometime with more actual scumhunting thoughts (I'm too sleep deprived right now to really want to mess with that). I do encourage more people to respond to my big post opening the day - there's some solid and strong opinions being made there and I'd love to see more people go "aye, t'was brilliant" or "naaaah" one way or the other.

Vig/Gretchin Vig/Vigilante/whatever the hell it may be called - a Vig is a pro town role that has a power to kill a chosen target at night. He wins with the town. It is a somewhat new role on this site, but is certainly a possibility in the setup n0t_u is using.

Night Lord's Aspirant/ Serial Killer/ et al - is an anti-town role that has the ability to kill at night. He does not win with the town or the scum, but wins when he is the last player alive or when nothing can prevent that happening.

Scum do not have multiple kills, and scum did not kill Drk_O - Drk_O was killed by a Vig or a SK. At the moment, considering what I know and how Day 1 played out, I'm strongly leaning Vig. But we'll have to wait and see.

Scum did NOT kill Drk_O - 100% guarantee on that one.

To whoever asked me about "quiet players" (Stynier?) I direct you to my large post I asked for opinions on. That's where I explained the logic of my vote already, maybe you should attack it a touch if you disagree with my conclusions.

@jburch - I stand by my Krellnus=town read.Could you address it and perhaps explain why you think scumRab was working so hard to get scumbuddy Krell lynched Day 1? I don't like that vote.

The BrotherStynier wagon isn't bad, but I don't think the timing is right for that one.

The RiTides wagon feels bad. I don't foresee scum being as headbangingly simple as he was Day 1. I'll reassess - but as I recall the wagon on Thor yesterday was something like - Rab, RiTides, Drk_O at one point - do we really think 3 scum all at once were voting for townThor on Day 1? Really?

Naaaaah.

Let's ixnay that wagon or prove me wrong, methinks it's bad.

**Jburch**

I think that Scumrab was using Krell on day 1 as a diversion. He would vote krell, but then at the end he would change votes and follow suite with ScumDrk. As I was looking at the votes of both scum on day 1, Krells name kept coming up...so thats where my vote is going.

I really dont have anything else to go on, so I am following my gut. So far some off the wall thinking has turned out to be right thus far (read : scum posting on thread shortly after thread has been created)

I am always open to being convinced that my vote would be better well spent on someone else however.

**Mordoskul**

Ima going to agree with Thorr, it makes sense, and I'm going to discount the blind scum theory. I think it's safe to assume that the squigs know who each other are, and Dark_O must have been killed by the Vigilante.

**Thor665**

@Jburch - so basically you think the flow of yesterday went like this.

Drk_O (scum) - lol, RVS! Vote Krellnus (scum)
Rab - lol vote: no lynch
Town: Hey, Rab, you are really scummy, shape up or die! (many Rab votes)
Rab - Holy Hannah, they are onto me - Vote: Krellnus (scum)

Mmmmm, maaaaaybe. But, he's going to double up with one of his scumbuddies in voting another scumbuddy? I sorta think Rab was feeling lost and helpless and was sheeping Drk_O out of desperation for another wagon. My gut says Krellnus town - we might want to have this conversation again later after we've narrowed the suspect pool, but I would not expect two scum to be bussing a third right out of the gate like that.

How do you feel about Lurky McLurkson (aka - the dude I'm voting for)

**SagesStone**

Methinks it's time to poke ol' Lurky and maybe bring in a new face depending on how it goes.

Looking at his posts he has not been on Dakka since his last post stating his confusion here.

**Jburch**

It seems to me that if Boss was scum, then he would be showing up to check on the thread. Now, he may very well be checking on the thread, and not posting anywhere else on Dakka to hide himself for this particular game, but I doubt anyone would really do that. Plus the fact that not_u is telling us now that since he hasnt been around he is considering replacing him, tells me that maybe Boss isnt lurking, but instead lost interest, or is busy with real life at the moment. Not_u wouldnt be saying that he might be replaced, if Boss was scum, and was participating like a good little squig at nighttime.

I wouldnt think that the GM of the game would be posting to sway us in a certain direction, so my feeling is that Boss is just missing...not lurking. Having said that, it is possible that he very well could still be scum, but I am not getting that vibe at this time. The Vibe I get from Boss is that he signed up for the game, didnt know what was going on, and we wont see him back on Dakka (he only had 16 posts)

**RiTides**

So does anyone have strong suspicions about someone... other than me?

There's that whole "if the game ended now, I'd be lynched" thing...

That said, my vote's still on Thor, and honestly I wouldn't totally mind being rid of him as a safety precaution, but I can wait until later on in the game (if I'm still here, of course).

I hate to have my mind changed as last game some scum talked me into things... but when you're wrong, you're wrong.

Unvote: Thor (To be picked up again in a few game-days' time if Thor is still alive and kicking in the final 4 or 5, as he said- scum shouldn't be letting him last that long)

Vote:..........? (That's not an actual vote- not bolded)

**BishopGore**

Glad Thor is back. I was the one who questioned about the most uninvolved person being scum, but I guess you have thought of that.

**Krellnus**

Unvote: RiTides
After thinking about it I am more inclined to go
vote: BrotherStynier
Thor, you make a compelling case

**VictorVonTzeentch**

Krellnus wrote:Unvote: RiTides
After thinking about it I am more inclined to go
vote: BrotherStynier
Thor, you make a compelling case

I think you are completely missing his case, if you'd notice he says he doesn't think killing me off during the course of the game is wrong, its that he thinks its wrong to do it right at this moment. So frankly you are ignoring his case, his case is that Boss, the lurker is the current threat and someone who should be removed.

Thor665 wrote:
@jburch - I stand by my Krellnus=town read.Could you address it and perhaps explain why you think scumRab was working so hard to get scumbuddy Krell lynched Day 1? I don't like that vote.

The BrotherStynier wagon isn't bad, but I don't think the timing is right for that one.

The RiTides wagon feels bad. I don't foresee scum being as headbangingly simple as he was Day 1. I'll reassess - but as I recall the wagon on Thor yesterday was something like - Rab, RiTides, Drk_O at one point - do we really think 3 scum all at once were voting for townThor on Day 1? Really?

Naaaaah.

Let's ixnay that wagon or prove me wrong, methinks it's bad.

Well frankly you said that you had a very strong Rabtorian= Pro-town vibe on the first day, and well we all see how that rolled, so perhaps you are a little off this game? Or maybe you are scum, maybe that was an effort to try and keep yourself as having a fully stocked team of badguys. Though that would go against your saying you'd throw fellow anti-town member under the bus if it would help keep people off your back, at least I seem to recall you saying that.

Honestly though if you were scum, and I'm not completely sold on the fact you could be, I don't see why you would be opposed to the killing of an "innocent" Ri. After all I'm sure a player with your talent could easily persuade the others that I am could be the squig, and manage to make it look like you are innocent when I flip as a town member after the lynch.

So what make you think that the Ri votes equal bad huh? Surely there is something? I don't know that he is guilty, nor do I know for certain he is innocent. What I do know is, that is hard to find the last villain, with out killing a few townies or by being an inquisitor.

You're counting on this aren't you? Me making myself look some what scummy, like always. It can help you with your case against me later or it could convince people that I am the villain now. Those who have played with me before how ever maybe aware that I do this most of the time anyway, more so when innocent.

**Thor665**

Stynier...

I'm actually not even sure what it is you're asking and/or accusing me of. I'll try to walk through it.

You point out how I called Rab town, yeah, i admit this, but you then suggest somehow maybe I'm still scum/incorrect town for than trying to run up Drk_O who was also scum? Eh...I don't get it, nor do I think it makes my scumhunting skills look weak.

You then ask why I don't like the Ritides wagon...while quoting me explaining why I don't like the RiTides wagon...um... Maybe if you ask a question about my logic I could explain it? I really don't get the confusion here.

You then end up with a mumbling diatrabe about how you look scummy and I knew you would and it's all part of my plot to lynch you...while admitting at the front end of your post that I said I didn't want to lynch you right now and am instead voting for Boss.

So...
Bwuh?

**RiTides**

So with 2 days left, BroStyr currently has the most votes... I'm not sure I'm OK with this.

Given me indecision, I'm going to throw a wrench in the works and bring us back to a tie... by voting for myself

Vote: RiTdes

Take that, logic!

**Thor665**

I'm now okay with an RiTides lynch.

**SagesStone**

Vote Update
BishopGore - 0 -
Mordoskul - 0 -
Jburch - 0 -
boss storm - 1 - (Thor)
Thor656 - 0 -
RiTides - 2 - (BrotherStynier, Ri)
BrotherStynier - 2 - (Bishop, Krellnus)
Krellnus - 1 - (Jburch)
Vulkan_He'stan - 0 -
No Lynch - 0 -

With 9 left alive a majority of 5 votes is required for a lynch. This phase will end on the 19th, timer provided here.
If time were to run out Ri or Stynier would currently be lynched, probably have to flip a coin or something.

Vote Log
Ri vote Thor
Thor vote Boss Storm
Jburch vote Krellnus
BrotherStynier vote Ri
Krellnus vote Ri
Bishop vote BrotherStynier
Ri unvote Thor
Krellnus unvote Ri
Krellnus vote Stynier
Ri vote Ri

Since I have heard nothing from Boss Storm he shall be replaced by one of the backups now.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

Thor665 wrote:Stynier...

I'm actually not even sure what it is you're asking and/or accusing me of. I'll try to walk through it.

You point out how I called Rab town, yeah, i admit this, but you then suggest somehow maybe I'm still scum/incorrect town for than trying to run up Drk_O who was also scum? Eh...I don't get it, nor do I think it makes my scumhunting skills look weak.

You then ask why I don't like the Ritides wagon...while quoting me explaining why I don't like the RiTides wagon...um... Maybe if you ask a question about my logic I could explain it? I really don't get the confusion here.

You then end up with a mumbling diatrabe about how you look scummy and I knew you would and it's all part of my plot to lynch you...while admitting at the front end of your post that I said I didn't want to lynch you right now and am instead voting for Boss.

So...
Bwuh?

Game after game I get to see people say nothing with lots of words, I wanted to try it.

To be fair I was pointing out how I look scummy, like I generally do and you could count on it incase you were the villain and needed me out of the way. Too be fair I think I may of thrown myself for a loop. But honestly killing Ri doesn't seem like its something that shouldn't be done(much like your belief that I should be killed sometime this game), though perhaps not today. Thinking about it Krellnus did flop rather easily, though that alone doesn't make him a guilty party.

Im going to Unvote: Ritides his willingness to pop himself into the chance of being killed has thrown me off his case momentarily and he did unvote Thor. However I'm not certain whom I wish to vote for now, jumping to remove Boss while he isn't active and a replacement is on the way doesn't sit well with me and Im not sold on a retaliation vote on Krellnus. Yet I need it to be either one of them to make it a 50% percent chance I get lynched rather than a 100% lynch. Two days can be an awfully short time.

Vote: Krellnus Sorry, but atleast you're being active and could attempt to convince me other wise.

**SagesStone**

Boss Storm has now been replaced by prototype_X.

**BishopGore**

Unvote: BrotherStynier

The large amounts of rambling above are weird and not particularly cognisant, the switch of vote onto someone else who already had a vote on him looks odd (making sure he is not the only person on two votes), but a scum working alone (since it seems everyone thinks scum of 3 maximum seems most likely) wouldn't be doing silly things like that on Day 2.

Vote: RiTides

Voting for yourself on Day 2? Seems very anti town, it's like giving up on scum hunting and saying you're bored of the game. That or it's a way of making sure he can unvote himself at the last minute to save himself from a potential lynch...

**Vulkan_He'stan**

Vote: Krellus

He was very quick to follow something that never properly was said
If he flips Scum then thor goes up in my scum scale

**Thor665**

I really don't like the Krellnus wagon, I'm pretty sure he's town.