Squigs n Gretchens - WH40K Mafia Game - Game Over - Gretchin Win!? Vindicare Unlucky

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**VictorVonTzeentch**

Also I'll do another game.

Oh, and my power you may ask? To commune with my fellow Savage Gretchin to scheme, and unfortunately for him, I didn't go with killing you Thor.

**BishopGore**

I didn't really enjoy that game very much. Partly it was losing both my partners on Day 1, but mostly it was the way the game ran.

Sorry, but I dislike the 50/50 'random' element of chance to die, it takes out all the planning and fun of it if the DM starts deciding who dies after all the effort we put in. Also not_u, you HAVE to be more careful when you tote up votes. Taking an extra ten minutes to recheck all the posts, check you haven't left duplicates and the like is absolutely vital, if you make one mistake how can we trust you're not making mistakes we can't see?

Anyway, I don't want to play again, but thanks for running.

**BishopGore**

Oh, and I'm really peeved at Mordoskul for pointing fingers in his death post. It's specifically not allowed in the rules. Strangely, that was when Thor started pointing at me...

**SagesStone**

For claification, Savage Gretchins were actually just Gretchins with the Mason ability. So town did win. Thor did surprisingly well considering he was a one man team.

**Vulkan_He'stan**

Styner I think we were both town
I enjoyed that game

**RiTides**

Good game, Thor is really good at this... however, I am hopeful that in future games this has been noted and people will be more wary.

In particular, I know I was screaming bloody murder to kill Thor (beyond all reason, really)- but remember his claim about "Leave me alive for a day or two, I'm useful, but if I'm alive towards the end you can kill me?"

I was really itching to see someone call him out on that... if he was town, you'd think the scum would kill him to keep themselves alive. It's possible they'd leave him alive as lynch-bait, but he's so convincing that that never seems to work.

So next game? If Thor's alive on day 3/4... everybody remember this trend and take him out

Good game, guys... I may take a break and just watch the next one, I actually had just about as much fun watching as playing.

**RiTides**

Also, through reading the death post about me, it seems I was killed by scum in an attempt to get Thor lynched. In the future, guys, just go straight to killing Thor

. With all the votes I'd gotten the previous day, if he'd flipped town (I'm assuming you didn't know he was the vigilante, but knew he wasn't scum) I almost assuredly would've been lynched. Same end result... and I'm less persuasive / less of a threat to still have alive for an extra day

**Jburch**

Well I tried to go after Thor in the end, but I guess he just had too much influence at that point. O well, that was fun, sign me up for the next round

**VictorVonTzeentch**

Oh so we were town, the pm made me think we were shifty.

Also Ri, Thor was his own team, like the Night Lord Aspirant.

Jburch in the end since I was under the wrong assumption that I was scum (Because of the "....or are they." in the PM) I didn't want to risk Thor actually being a Vig and killing me in the Night by Voting for him over you. That would have forced a tie and he could have been chosen allowing the town a win there.

**Thor665**

Okay. Stynier and Vulkan as town make me feel better about my reads, though worse about my loss

I'll second Bishop G's call - the 50/50 was an interesting tie-breaker system, but I'm a much bigger fan of a no lynch being the result if town can't pull their head's together.

@Bishop Gore - Dude! I actually totally missed Mordoskull's hint drop there (if it makes you feel better...I actually went after you because I thought you were town...derf). That said, that was WAY uncool on Mordo's part, and definitely against the rules and spirit of the game.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

I would think technically since you were a killing power roll Thor, you probably should have just killed me off the bat in the last day phase rather than there being voting a the Tie Breaker.

Also, in my head I was scum so it turns out I was playing Pro-Town pretending to be Scum pretending to be Town(Ive basically said this already I just feel like reiterating my point). Which is interesting and I dont know why I wasn't killed earlier.

**BishopGore**

In my mind Thor won, but I was very annoyed on Day 1 to find that me protecting Rabtorian (putting my proverbial neck on the block) by voting Thor (and having to pretend I didn't have time to post a reply to his good points about why voting him was stupid) was a complete waste of time. Springing the 50/50 random vote kill was not very fair, and completely different to any other game. But I am only saying that as the scum that was left entirely alone with no real clue how to play a scum role. I really wanted to kill Thor on Night 2, but thought killing RiTides would make people turn on Thor. However my triple bluff (making people think Thor would assume noone would assume that he killed someone who was baying for his blood) failed utterly.

As RiTides said, never leave Thor alive. He will never give off a town/scum vibe, because he is just far too good at the game.

**Thor665**

BishopGore wrote:As RiTides said, never leave Thor alive. He will never give off a town/scum vibe, because he is just far too good at the game.

I actually think I usually give off a town vibe though.
I appreciate the compliment however.

**Rabtorian**

Well that was fun. Until I got lynched. Ah well. Maybe I will have a better chance in the next game I play in.

**RiTides**

You're right, Stynier, and I didn't have any feeling on Thor other than the usual "He's controlling things, and pushing for lynches, and I can't tell if he's good or bad" which he has felt like both times

(although, both times I've played he's been bad...)

Tough to say anything about it, since he's always like that, and my "Lynch him because I say so!" argument didn't work

. If I do it again, I'll try being more subtle about it, and giving reasons... but then there's the problem of the above- those are all good reasons to lynch, but he always plays that way, and what seems to get people taken out in this game is doing things out of their usual playstyle (if they're regulars).

I tried a different style in this one and it backfired rather badly

**BishopGore**

It only backfired because I am not very good at being sneaky or tactical. You really should have survived, I should have gunned for Thor every night, whether or not a Doctor was trying to protect him.

Live and learn, scum need to get rid of people like Thor, as they will call you out on all the 'stupid' things you are doing!

**RiTides**

He is good at that

**SagesStone**

Unfortunately for town the Doctor was the player who got replaced, never got the chance to use their role.

**Thor665**

BishopGore wrote:Live and learn, scum need to get rid of people like Thor, as they will call you out on all the 'stupid' things you are doing!

Best praise I could ask for - thanks!

Why do I get the feeling next game I'll be town, and will be lynched Day 1 because "Thor is tricky".

**RiTides**

Probably because I already tried doing that this game, Thor, and the end result only reinforces the stereotype

not_u- Was the replacement not allowed to use the doctor ability, or did they just run out of time before getting lynched?

**Thor665**

Didn't we lynch Prototype the day he replaced in?

**Jburch**

yeah, proto showed up, then was executed that same day

**RiTides**

Heh, whoops

**Drk_Oblitr8r**

I like the part where Thor killed me on the first day. That was pretty cool and stuff

**prototype_X**

yea i had fun, id love to play a game where i could play from the start.

**Mordoskul**

Yeah, that was quite an uncool move on my part, and I apologize profusely. This seemed much more streamlined than the previous Mafia game I participated in, and will say well done to all of those involved.

**Krellnus**

T'was fun, I'll go for another if there is another one.

**prototype_X**

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/373881.page#2914956

new one by the zoat, 18 players!