Squigs n Gretchens - WH40K Mafia Game - Game Over - Gretchin Win!? Vindicare Unlucky

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**BishopGore**

Well you've signed your death sentence Thor, if you actually do have a role and aren't just desperately trying to hang on to your life.

At this point we either have

A) Thor is scum, he is banking that RiTides was actually the Vigilante and that nobody can counter claim to expose him
B) Thor is actually the Vigilante, in which case either I die today or I die tonight and he is killed in return by the squig
C) Thor is a regular grot and is claiming to be the Vigilante just to save himself.

C is highly unlikely, Thor plays town for the group to win, not just to keep himself alive. If it's A then town is utterly dead, because I've seen how Thor operates. If it's B then the town loses it's most useful proponent.

I'm a regular, boring grot. I have no real use except my ability to vote, and I admit I haven't done well with it so far, but who else here has? Listen to Thor if you must, but after I die you're going to have a real tough time if Thor is scum and if he's the vigilante, he's dead anyway.

**Jburch**

Not buying all this for a second. My vote stays. I think you guys are being bamboozled

**Jburch**

Also just want to point out Bishop, that you are dead today unless you change your vote, then you have a 50 / 50 chance.

**Thor665**

BrotherStynier wrote:Eh... what the hell. I'll side with Thor for now even though this all seems kinda shady.

Wow - let me spell out the shadiness;

1. There is at least one role out there that can kill that is not the squigs.
2. We know this because it killed a squig.
3. If I am not this role, than that role is going to probably kill me - because it knows I'm lying.
4. If I am that role, than I'm clearly helping town.

@Bishop Gore - yes, if you are not a squig it would not surprise me if the Squigs try to kill me. I help town by forcing the Squigs to try and kill me rather than letting town waste a lynch on a pro-town player.

Jburch calling me a flat out liar looks like a town tell for Jburch. Not a brilliance tell, but hey, you can't have everything.

I'll be happy to hear any requests/thoughts for who I shoot tonight. I don't actually promise to listen to everybody, but I'd love to see people's thoughts about who I should shoot. I'm currently planning on Vulkan methinks.

**BishopGore**

Just a slight change to point Number 1: We know there WAS a player that could kill squigs last night. We do not know that he is still alive. If RiTides was the Vigilante then nobody can kill you.

**BishopGore**

And I think Krellnus should be a candidate for you to kill (if you are town), he has readily joined the bandwagon on me with no evidence or having stated why he thinks I ought to die. I see him as either a squig or a bad-for-town townie.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

If RiTides was the Vig, when he died we would have found that out, like we do for everyone else with a role.

I do think that we have a faily decent chance of pulling this off should Thor be the real deal, which I think there is a good chance of considering the out comes. Any notion I may have had towards Thor being the villain is gone for the day.

**Thor665**

BishopGore wrote:Just a slight change to point Number 1: We know there WAS a player that could kill squigs last night. We do not know that he is still alive. If RiTides was the Vigilante then nobody can kill you.

If there is lack of a shot kill than we can discuss this. The sheer fact that I'm willing to claim that there will be a shot kill because I'm killing someone is pretty ballsy if I can't generate said kill, isn't it?

BishopGore wrote:And I think Krellnus should be a candidate for you to kill (if you are town), he has readily joined the bandwagon on me with no evidence or having stated why he thinks I ought to die. I see him as either a squig or a bad-for-town townie.

I might reassess if you flip town, but I still have a strong town read on him. Don't mistake suboptimal play for scum play.

BrotherStynier wrote:If RiTides was the Vig, when he died we would have found that out, like we do for everyone else with a role.

Not quite;

n0t_u wrote:As is the fun of this system the role of a player will not and cannot be revealed until after the game is completed so as to prevent metagaming, so you'll only know if they were pro-town or anti-town.

Though I'll add - if RiTides had the ability to kill at night - do you really think I'd be alive? He totally would have shot me instead of tunneling on me every day and wondering why I wasn't dead.
Do you know what happened to the guy I tunneled on and wanted dead Day 1 when he wasn't lynched?
Oh, he got shot in the face.
Yeah...

**BishopGore**

RiTides managed to fool you during the game I ran. He would not be so transparent as to attack you day in and day out and then kill you during the night.

Unvote: Krellnus

Vote: Thor

I know I'm town, but I don't know that Thor is. It seems silly to me to die simply because Thor has claimed to be the Vigilante. Might as well leave it up to Jburch, Vulkan or Lady Luck.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

Are you really that worried we won't be able to kill Thor tomorrow if we dont lynch him now?

After all, he did mention something about being able to take care of Jburch if we lynched you and you weren't the Squig. Sure that could mean he's the Squig and killing Jburch in the night is to sweeten the deal of me going after you, or he is the vig and he'll kill Jburch anyway.

Good chance that if the squig doesn't die today he'll die tomorrow.

**Thor665**

BishopGore wrote:RiTides managed to fool you during the game I ran. He would not be so transparent as to attack you day in and day out and then kill you during the night.

He would if he was pro-town and thought I was scum and had a kill ability.

**BishopGore**

He wouldn't if he thought you were town and spent the game attacking you to mask his activities elsewhere.

**SagesStone**

Vote Update
BishopGore - 3 - (Thor, Stynier, Krellnus)
Jburch - 0 -
Thor656 - 3 - (Vulkan, Jburch, Bishop)
BrotherStynier - 0 -
Krellnus - 0 -
Vulkan_He'stan - 0 -
No Lynch - 0 -

Vote Log
Vulkan vote Thor
Jburch vote Thor
Stynier vote Jburch
Thor vote Bishop
Krellnus vote no lynch
Bishop vote Krellnus
Stynier unvote Jburch
Stynier vote Bishop
Krellnus unvote No Lynch
Krellnus vote Bishop
Bishop unvote Krellnus
Bishop vote Thor

Randomisation has determined that Bishop be lynched.

**SagesStone**

Once again the squabbling had reached a deadlock. None of the Gretchin present really had any clue which amongst you could be a fake. Eventually however all the Gretchin choose a side, a complete tie between two of them. A rather large, redish Gretchin chuckled at the accusations flying around. Though after they used the most fairest Gretchin randomisation technique (writing names on the wall and throwing rocks at it (The one with the most dents on the name is chosen)). The chuckling stopped as it was the large redish Gretchin's turn to have various methods of execution trailed on him. In the end the redish Gretchin broke free of their grip and jumped out the window, this knocked of the beast's crude disguise (an old sheet and a tin plate painted poorly to look like a Gretchin mask) to reveal it's true identity as a Squig. The beast got no further than several feet before the battle that continued to rage accidentally saw a shell miss a target and land roughly on the squig. It was pretty clear that Bishop just might have been a squig.

Night Phase Three Start
This phase will last 48 hours and end on the 31st, as shown in this timer.

Any with abilities to use during the Night Phase should do so as instructed.

**BishopGore**

I regret nothing!

**Thor665**

Pew-pew.

**SagesStone**

After the Gretchin had finished watching the large reddish Gretchin run off into the battlefield and get himself blown up, they turn around to yet another shocking discovery; Vulkan's head is missing. Blood gushing out of his neck stump his little stubby Gretchin arms flail around in the air as he runs blindly around the shack. This continues for a good five minutes before his corpse falls flat on the ground, it's arms still flailing yet slowing until it finally stops.

The Gretchin just stare at the body for a short moment, occasionally it twitches. Though it wasn't long before the arguing and bickering continued, each determined to find this apparent Ghost Squig and make it go somewhere else or at least after someone else.

Day Phase Four Start

Vote Update
Jburch - 0 -
Thor656 - 0 -
BrotherStynier - 0 -
Krellnus - 0 -
No Lynch - 0 -

This phase will go for one week ending on the 8th as shown in this timer here.
As ther are four alive, it only takes three votes for a lynch.

**Jburch**

You still have Bishop on the list there Should only be 4 alive me thinks

**Jburch**

And I guess I will start the voting

Since we looking for the Vig, and Thor has stated that he is the Vig, and called his shot on Vulcan...I suppose its a safe bet

Vote : Thor

**Thor665**

I was the one who killed Vulkan. His lurk out yesterday combined with a claim of no powers made him a decent target.

The lack of a Squig kill and me also being alive after basically killing two Squigs pretty much screams that we have a protective role who was on me and prevented the Squigs from killing me via death.

I've got to look at stuff again. I still think Krellnus is likely town. Brother S. is...well, I think he's town but a bit of paranoia is setting in at this stage. Jburch is the other consideration. The pro for him is that he was all over me yesterday and trying to claim I was lying. The drawback is that he was basically right in line with BishopG and I'm not sure if I believe he'd mush up on a scumbuddy like that.

So, in order of suspect; Jburch, Brother S, Krellnus.

With 4 alive we also have a strategy consideration.

1. We can try to lynch correct today, if we whiff it...well, I can take a last shot and hope I target correctly. If we get a correct lynch or I get a correct kill, we win. 50% win chance.

2. We can vote no lynch today. I won't kill. Doc keeps protecting me. Scum is forced to kill someone other than me and that drops us in tomorrow with a 1v1 option. 50% win chance.

I think I lean towards option 1.
I'd also suggest the Doc doesn't claim unless the person we're about to lynch is the Doc - that way we have the advantage of ruling out a person suddenly or causing scum to have to get ballsy and force a 50/50 choice with me having the ability to shoot the other half of the 50 if we lynch wrong, which is 100% win ratio.

**Jburch**

Wait, huh?

I guess it is my lack of experience with this game, but what are we looking for? I thought we were trying to kill the vig at this point, but your saying there is another squig out there?

Lol, how do we win this damned thing

**Thor665**

We win by removing threats to town. A Vig is not a threat to town.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

Unless you are actually the serial killer, but I doubt you'd of gone with the ousting yourself as a vig yesterday if that were the case. It would be an awful gamble to assume there was a Doctor and that he'd go with the story.

**Thor665**

Yeah, maybe if I was 100% certain Bishop G was a squig it might have been worth the gamble, but I couldn't know that.

What are your thoughts on Krellnus and Jburch though? I don't recall if you supported my Krellnus=town theory or not. Since Bishop G was all about trying to get him lynched yesterday I'm feeling even stronger about it.

BishopGore wrote:Thor said on Day 2 that the Krellnus being scum idea didn't make sense, but in light of the connection between both of the confirmed scum and the bandwagon he attempted on Day 2 of RiTides (who we now know was town) I think it should be revisited.

He pops up infrequently just to vote and has now voted no lynch, possibly because he thinks it will make him less of a target.

Vote: Krellnus

That's his vote on Krellnus. At this stage both Vulkan and Jburch were wailing about connections between me and RiTides. So, Bishop wants to avoid that wagon for some reason. Now, there are a couple reasons.

1. I'd just voted him and he didn't want to leap on me right after that.

2. He suspected I'd be too hard to mislynch.

3. There was already a scum on the wagon on me and he didn't want to mush up with them.

Now...maybe he just wanted to abuse a scumbuddy and distance from him. But, when you combine Bishop G's push with the push from Drk_O and Rab on Day 1, you have had all three of them pushing to get Krellnus lynched at some point, and Krellnus looks like a super easy lynch option. I'm thinking he's solid town at this stage.

Thoughts? (from Stynier and Jburch)

Also, after we agree with this we'll see what I can say about either of you, who really are the smart lynches today).

**VictorVonTzeentch**

Honestly you could be on to something about Krellnus, their votes were far too early in the game for it to have been two of the scum trying to lynch what they saw as a weaker member of the pack. So I'm going to have to go with Krell being protown of some sort.

I do some what have this sinking feeling however that there is no Doctor, and that the last scum could be you, a serial killer. It seems rather unfounded even to myself, but like you mentioned earlier about some of your own thoughts it could be paranoia.

Jburch well I've been moderately suspicious of him for the past two phases.

**Thor665**

If I was a serial killer why did I go so hot and nasty after scum like I did? Yeah, an SK wants people to die by lynch, but he also wants people to die because scum is killing them. More importantly - he doesn't want scum to come and kill him since he has to live to the end to win. I was setting myself up for fail by shooting Drk_O and sussing out Bishop G if I was a SK.

Okay, so you agree on Krellnus town, which pleases me.

I'd like to see Krellnus get in here and say a few words. Than I'm ready to lynch Jburch, after that I'll shoot you or Krellnus. I'm going to keep my personal thoughts of who is being shot to myself.

Vote: Jburch

Stynier, don't vote Jburch just yet, I want to see Krellnus offer what he can (and a vote) prior to that.

@Jburch - feel free to weigh in on your own thoughts regarding Krellnus as obv. town and the plan to lynch you and shoot someone else as an almost assured way to nail scum.

**Krellnus**

I am honestly really tossing up between Jburch and Stynier as being the SK, but I am not really feeling one as being the SK more strongly than the other, but perhaps I am a bit out of touch since my last game was like 4-5 years ago :(.
Still we have what? A week to discuss and try and figure out who it is, so I won't be too hasty to push any particular vote at the moment.

**Jburch**

I dunno, maybe it is because this is the first time I have played this game, or maybe all this just goes over my poor gretchin head, but my vote will stay.

I guess if there is a serial killer, then it is possible that Thor could be the killer, and have played it up this whole game to be some sort of pro town vigilante. That way when it comes to the end of the game, he can use his past actions to get the remaining town to lynch each other. By the time people figure it out it is too late due to lack of alive townies.

Or I could be completely wrong, I was about Bishop....

Either way, you can lynch me if you like, but it will not get you closer to a town win.

*Waves hand like Obi-Wan
"I am not the droid your looking for"

**Thor665**

@Krellnus - if we have an SK than the SK has failed to kill anything as far as I can tell. Why do you think there's an SK?

@Jburch - not to be insulting, but you seem to latch onto a vote and basically go 'lalalalala, can't hear you!' You did it yesterday with me and again today. You admit you were wrong about Bishop G but have apparently drawn no adjustment in your playstyle forward to today. Why is that?

Also - what are your thoughts on obv. town Krellnus?

**Jburch**

Basicaly I see it like this, There are 4 of us left. One person (at least) is running around with a gun shooting people. 3 of us say "I dont have a gun", while one of us says "I got a gun, but I am not killing good guys!"

My vote is sticking with you Thor because nothing has changed. Yes, Bishop was the Squig, but we still have someone running around killing people. I guess its possible that with the 4 of us left, it just so happens that there is a vigilante, a serial killer, a doctor, and a town, but I think it is more plausable to say that you are not a vigilante, but instead a genious serial killer.

You defended yourself by saying that you were killing scum, but from the get go people were after you for a lynch. Maybe you realized that if the Scum were left alive, then you would be eaten in your sleep. Maybe you thought that you would have a better chance of winning by taking out the scum, and then using the towns trust to lynch each other. Or maybe, I am completely wrong and making no sense

Either way, when I look at those who are still alive, I dont really see a whole lot of other options. I could randomly pick someone else to vote for, but I wouldnt have any basis for the vote. Seeing as how this is the first time I have played something like this, I may not pick up on the "tells" that some of you vets pick up on, in all honesty, I am suprised I have forrest gumped my way this far into the game....

Its like that slogan for the lottery....someones gunna be the serial killer, might as well be you