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@Thor
It usually starts with everyone being noisy, disorganised and shouting.The first night kill then happens and people start talking about who it could possibly be. The second night kill happens and people start laying the game. It might be very different over the internet but then, I wouldn't know.

I say it Krellnus because hes the person next to me

OOC:To tell truth I have no idea whats going on.

Oy, I sayz we gut dis Rabtorian eh seemz squig like to me. And if eh's not well we can bide time by throwin 'is corpse to da squigs.

Vote: Rabtorian

Really? You guys think we should kill Rabtorian? That's 3 votes on him now...

Honestly, I'm going with Thor and ignoring all logic. He was way too powerful last game and if he's a squig I feel there's no way I'm going to know... so, off with his head!

Ok, things are coming out of random town, there are things to discuss.

The beginning of internet games are exactly the same Rabtorian, we shout and rant and throw around accusations, usually someone dies on the first day froma lynch, then there is a night kill. The first lynch is because it allows us to draw conclusions from who dies on day 1 and who is killed on night one. If people don't vote then we are in the dark after the first night kill, nothing to go on.

That being said, you're shifty. You're already talking about balancing votes and not being on top, when we're a couple of days in. That's not town-like behaviour (even if it is the probing voting stage).

Unvote: JBurch

Vote: Rabtorian

@RiTides - with 12 alive, it usually takes 7 to lynch outright. He's getting close to dying, but if any of the scum are incredibly intelligent and band wagon to kill him then we will never EVER find out who they are. Wink wink.

My thing is, Thor led the charge for most of the lynches in the last game (save WarOrk... that was me ) and I don't want to railroad people to the gallows again, over and over, over a single slip up / impression that they can never recover from in the rest of the town's opinions. We did half the killing for the killers last time.

So my vote is staying with Thor... for now as a "principle" vote, since I don't see evidence to vote for anyone else yet (particularly someone being so completely obvious as Rabtorian... Thor's other outcome of last game is to convince me that the squigs are probably shifty little buggers that aren't likely to be the one guy who is a screamingly obvious target on day one).

If anything, let's go no lynch and wait to see what the killers do, rather than burn our days down by lynching people on a whim this time.

I dont think we should go with Thor, because why would someone choose Thor as the antagonist two times in a row? I mean surely the Game Manager would go away from that considering some would likely vote him just because.

Although I can see how it could be a viable strategy to use every once in a while.

RiTides wrote:Honestly, I'm going with Thor and ignoring all logic. He was way too powerful last game and if he's a squig I feel there's no way I'm going to know... so, off with his head!

Congratulations, you have successfully deduced that I am good at the game - if you're town you should probably not want me dead because I am on your side. If you're going with the ol' "Thor is too good to be trusted" at *least* give me a few days. If I'm really town than scum should be scared of me and kill me for you, and if I'm scum than I'll still be alive and then you can press the case with the ol' 'Why is Thor still alive case'.

RiTides wrote:If anything, let's go no lynch and wait to see what the killers do, rather than burn our days down by lynching people on a whim this time.

I've said it before, I'll say it again - we need to do lynching.

We win the game by killing scum.
No lynch has a 0% chance to kill scum.
Lynching has a 33% chance to kill scum if we guess totally randomly.
Lynching also lets you see evidence of who is willing to vote whom and why - and helps provide evidence for lynching scum.
No lynching provides no evidence because all that happens is someone ends up dead and than you're stuck looking around going...well, what now? No lynch again?

The *only* advantage to no lynch is we get to night so power roles cna try to help town.
We get the same effect with a lynch.
So...


@boss storm - have you ever played a mafia game before? I'm wondering if you're lost because of the rules or what - if you clarify how you're lost we can help you to join in. If not...well, we can't.

@Rabtorian - You noted that your games never had an option to 'no lynch' so how did everyone usually select a lynch Day 1 in your usual games?

I don't reaaly see how that is not town-like behaviour. I mean, why would a squig, who wants people to die vote in order to prevent the deaths of townspeople. Also, why wouldn't I want to avoid being on top? Nobody wants to die. The whole point is continued suvival. If I am dead, I am not alive and whilst the town may win in the end, I personnaly have lost. I doubt that a dead soldier would consider a victory a victory, you know?

BrotherStynier wrote:I dont think we should go with Thor, because why would someone choose Thor as the antagonist two times in a row? I mean surely the Game Manager would go away from that considering some would likely vote him just because.

To be honest, I think I've played in...what, six/seven games on site?
I think I was only town in two of them, which statistically is all gakked to hell and is sad because, in all honesty, my favorite role in the game is vanilla town.

That said, I still don't support a lynch of me (or a defense) based simply off random numbers like that. Statistics generates bell curves for a reason.

Oh, and RiTides - I'll add to your 'no lynch' thing, that the two times I was town I caught scum Day 1 in one of the games and Day 2 in the other - I didn't live past either discovery (because the doc was stuuuupid ). But I do note that because I do believe I have a reasonably better than random accuracy average when it comes to finding scum. Which supports my 'don't kill me just yet you lack wits' defense.

Rabtorian wrote:If I am dead, I am not alive and whilst the town may win in the end, I personnaly have lost. I doubt that a dead soldier would consider a victory a victory, you know?

NO!
Town victories are team victories, and if you don't believe that than maybe you should die early because you couldn't be trusted to do what town needs if it requires you being dead.

Also, i did ask you another question I'd love to have answered. ^^^

Alright. What would happen is that nobody would get lynched because nobody would vote. Basically, I have never played a well organised version of this game and so have very little experience with this one. I was also unaware of the whole team victory thing. I was under the impression that the main goal of being a townie is to suvive and that killing the bad guys was just a means to that end. I must admit that even if I die early, what little I have learned is good to know and will probably change any way I was thinking of playing the game drastically.

Thor665 wrote:

BrotherStynier wrote:I dont think we should go with Thor, because why would someone choose Thor as the antagonist two times in a row? I mean surely the Game Manager would go away from that considering some would likely vote him just because.

To be honest, I think I've played in...what, six/seven games on site?
I think I was only town in two of them, which statistically is all gakked to hell and is sad because, in all honesty, my favorite role in the game is vanilla town.

That said, I still don't support a lynch of me (or a defense) based simply off random numbers like that. Statistics generates bell curves for a reason.

Oh, and RiTides - I'll add to your 'no lynch' thing, that the two times I was town I caught scum Day 1 in one of the games and Day 2 in the other - I didn't live past either discovery (because the doc was stuuuupid ). But I do note that because I do believe I have a reasonably better than random accuracy average when it comes to finding scum. Which supports my 'don't kill me just yet you lack wits' defense.

Really? You've been enemy six or seven times? I could have sworn it was less, cause everytime I was Inquisitor, except this last time and this time I investigated you and you rolled pro-town. At least I investigated you most of the times because of how you generally are.

I recall my preponderance for being scum to line up similar to how often you're the 'cop' equivalent.

The only town game I have certain recall on was the one where I tagged Manchu Day 1. I'm actually not sure I had one other, but recall being right on like Day 2 and dying right after that, so unless I'm confusing the Manchu one for that I've been town twice, and if I'm wrong - only once. Every other game I remember I was scum - the Titan one, the first one I played on site (I remember this was annoying because I wanted to advise the town more but also lie to them a bit and...gak), both of my last two outings. Scum, scum, scum.

Didn't you catch me once via investigation? Or am I remembering the Titan one?

Assuming Thor is pro-town because he was scum last game is not sound thinking. Roles are assigned randomly, anyone could have a role, random chance says he's as likely to be scum as anyone else.

@Rabtorian, Thor has already answered your question. Pro-town behaviour is being willing to die to further the cause of the town. A good soldier will lay down his life to ensure his comrades achieve victory. He doesn't WANT to die, nobody wants to die, but it's necessary, and through sacrifice things can be discovered.

There's quite a few new players, so we have to be sure we don't devolve too much into 'previous game' discussions, where players have acted similarly before it can be noted, but I think we should focus on discussing the current game and what has been said.

No lynch is NOT pro-town. Lynches are how the game is played, and even a blind lynch is better than no lynch.

Having looked over all the posts, I now see where Thor and BishopGore are coming from. I don't feel easy with a stab in the dark but some chance is better than no chance. I also realize that this game has some significant differences to the ones I have played before. I bow to superior wisdom (when it comes to this game) and admit that no lynch mightn't be as good as it sounds.

Unvote: Rabtorian

I'll puzzle out a good spot for my vote tomorrow when I'm alive. I actually have a very strong town read on Rabtorian and oppose his lynch aggressively now.

You oppose it aggressively? So in essence you'll consider anyone voting for Rabtorian as a threat to the town and go after them with loaded grotzooka? Seems a little early to be so sure about someone Thor.

Can you explain what it is about Rabtorian that you think is so pro-town that you're willing to be aggressive about it? Because I see a newcomer who is willing to listen to advice, not someone who is behaving pro town (listening to sensible advice is a good move for scum too).

I'm not saying Rabtorian looks QUITE as scummy as his first few actions, just trying to get a read on this very sudden 180 and any potential link between you two.

Ok, I am going to stop RP'ing a Gretchin now and actualy play the game lol.

I am gunna venture out to some of the veterans here and see if there is any history to show a link between time of posting and the time the game actualy "launched". If someone were to say have PM's sent to them in email, then they would most likely log in to Dakka and get started on the game quickly. The only persons who would recieve a PM when the game launched would be persons who are either squigs, or one of the other special characters (lol I am still not clear on the roles in this type game).

So I notice that it wasnt long after the game went underway that rab and Drk posted. I dunno, may be nothing, just asking some of you vets.

O and one other thing

Unvote : Bishopgore

Those first couple votes was pretty much me being stupid cus I dunno what I am doing, but from reading how others are playing I am starting to see how it works

The reason I posted so early was because I have no life and spend almost my entire afternoon on these forums. I checked to see if anyone else had signed up and BAM the game is started.

Very sneaky thinking JBurch. Rabtorian is very new to these forums, so it's hard to know about him, but I know Drk_O is either ignoring the forums or never away from them. And n0t_u is in the same time zone as him, so possibly they were just on at the same time.

HOWEVER, it is well worth a notice.

The way the game began might give some hint of who is scum, but at the same time remember that scum like to lurk, especially in the first couple of days. Out of sight can lead to out of mind and a 'coming out' in later days with a rise to prominence. We've either found a couple of scum in Rabtorian and Drk_O, or we're falling into a scum trap.

Either way, we've got people to watch!

Thor665 wrote:I recall my preponderance for being scum to line up similar to how often you're the 'cop' equivalent.

The only town game I have certain recall on was the one where I tagged Manchu Day 1. I'm actually not sure I had one other, but recall being right on like Day 2 and dying right after that, so unless I'm confusing the Manchu one for that I've been town twice, and if I'm wrong - only once. Every other game I remember I was scum - the Titan one, the first one I played on site (I remember this was annoying because I wanted to advise the town more but also lie to them a bit and...gak), both of my last two outings. Scum, scum, scum.

Didn't you catch me once via investigation? Or am I remembering the Titan one?

I caught you once on investigation but I was being a more 'Radical' Inquisitor and you and your partner turned it on me, and then there was the once with the Titan Game where we were both the scum, and I died cause I couldn't recall how that game worked.

I suppose going straight for you could be an ok strategy, but its not one I'm willing to go with at this time. Though in the mean time I'm going to assume I will be killed in the night for reminding people I usually am the 'Cop'.

Vote update

the_ferrett - 0 -
BishopGore - 0 -
Rabtorian - 3 - (Ferret, Bishop, BrotherStynier)
Mordoskul - 0 -
Jburch - 0 -
boss storm - 0 -
Thor656 - 1 - (Ri)
RiTides - 0 -
BrotherStynier - 0 -
Krellnus - 2 - (Drk, Rabtorian)
Vulkan_He'stan - 0 -
Drk_Oblitr8r - 1 - (Vulkan)
No Lynch - 0 -

Vote Log
Drk vote Krellnus
Jburch vote Ferrett
Vulkan vote Drk
Bishop vote Jburch
Jburch unvote Ferrett
Jburch vote Bishop
Rabtorian vote No Lynch
Ferret vote Rabtorian
Thor vote Rabtorian
Ri vote Thor
Rabtorian unvote No Lynch
Rabtorian vote Thor
Rabtorian unvote Thor
Rabtorian vote Krellnus
BrotherStynier vote Rabtorian
Bishop unvote Jburch
Bishop vote Rabtorian
Thor unvote Rabtorian
Jburch unvote Bishop

BishopGore wrote:The way the game began might give some hint of who is scum, but at the same time remember that scum like to lurk, especially in the first couple of days. Out of sight can lead to out of mind and a 'coming out' in later days with a rise to prominence. We've either found a couple of scum in Rabtorian and Drk_O, or we're falling into a scum trap.

Either way, we've got people to watch!

I think you're falling into your own trap. I always try to be the first one to post in these games. It's a mini challenge, which I only just failed when Rabtorian ninja'd me by a short time. So I'm not acting out of the ordinary.

We'll always have people to watch. Otherwise the game would be over

My own trap? I haven't set a trap, I'm just saying that what Rabtorian thunked had merit.

And yes, I said that you're a forum junkie, either passed out, high on posting lots of witty comments, or feverishly trying to get more into your system

Unvote: Rabtorian

We probably need to start looking for people who are acting out of character. My scumdar is not really going off yet, just a trace flicker on a newbie who has played different forms of this game. Has anyone not posted yet? Mordo is on his second game and was very quiet last game. Not much from ferrett if I recall... two usually quiet people being quiet.

Vote: Drk_O

Never a bad vote.

@BG - Considering you unvoted him - no, I won't bother to explain the read.

Rabtorian wrote:Because it is both retaliatory and logical. I don't want to be lynched. I had the most votes on me. I vote and make a tie, which would also result in no lynch, for now. It didn't matter who I chose to lynch as I only needed to tie things, and you voted for me. Also I didn't mean this sort of game in general when I said I was being cautious, but life in general. I get sweaty palms and relatively nervous just standin on chairs. To be honest that probably din't say what I inteded it to do, so I guess that is my fault. If you take offence at my voting for you then I Unvote: Thor665 and Vote: Krellnus. It doesn't really matter at any rate as this is only the start of the first day and there is still time aplenty.

Right! I'll teach you book-reading worms and your books... Vote: Rabtorian
LETS GIT 'IM BOYZ!

Not really. It's like voting for me because we posted. If we simply weren't online, you'd be using this line of reasoning against someone else.

(proceeds to try and respond to the rest of your post, but trails off on a long speach about the sexual apeal of turtles)

Unvote: Krellnus
Vote: Thor665

I see no reason to deny the inevitable.

I'll live this time, because I'm full of misplaced confidence <3

That and the post immediately following Bishop's suggesting we look for people out of character, Thor votes for me. As if to try to avoid speculation. Seems suspicious...