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Bib, I just explained why not!

Dark Angels Champ-Master wrote:little kid, refers to 10 and under. I am not that old myself, almost into my teen years, but not very many little kid have the patience or anything, and if more youngsters join, GW will make stuff like machine painted models, next edition more suitable for younger ages, and the whole hobby will turn out like pokemon!

Here's the thing... To most of the people posting here, you fit into the 'little kid' bracket yourself. Just as you see those under 10 as little kids, anyone in their 20s sees anyone under 20 as a kid. Anyone in their 40s sees anyone under 30 as a kid.

Age has nothing to do with whether or not they should be playing the game.



Incidentally, the assumption that pre-painted minis are the domain of young kids is a very common one... and very, very mistaken. Star Wars and D&D minis were aimed rather squarely at an adult market, as were Mechwarrior and Axis & Allies.

From my experience, pre-paints actually appeal more to the older set, who often don't have the time or the inclination to paint. Kids are generally happier to either just play with unpainted minis or spend a morning throwing paint on instead of playing.

Well thats not how I wan't GW to end up, and I don't think people call 5ft. 6in. very "little kiddish"

Dark Angels Champ-Master wrote:Well thats not how I wan't GW to end up, and I don't think people call 5ft. 6in. very "little kiddish"

considering I am 6'6", I would.

the entire point was, age is relative to the person. its the situation that is important.

comparing particulars is a waste of time.

as stated above, do you know/understand the rules and do you have your codex, if yes, be a good sport and lets have some fun.

if no, then perhaps you need more time to read and ask questions maybe even observe a game with someone willing to answer questions that observation will not show you.

and if GW ends up with pre-painted mini's, actually i would be happy with that. its not going to stop the die hards from converting and painting. its just going to make it so that people who show up to events with naked and based miniatuires are a thing of the past.

I can see a cost increase to have them pre-painted, but I see a benefit there as well.

Dark Angels Champ-Master wrote:Well thats not how I wan't GW to end up,

And that's all well and good... but it's got nothing to do with an influx of kids. That's not a recent development... The gaming club that I played in for most of 2nd edition had a fairly large contingent of under 10 to 14-year olds playing, and a couple younger.

The idea that kids playing means the game turning into Pokemon is, frankly, a little over the top.

... and I don't think people call 5ft. 6in. very "little kiddish"

As a wise man once said, 'Size matters not'...

So it doesn't mean I am a "Little Kid"

Dark Angels Champ-Master wrote:So it doesn't mean I am a "Little Kid"

If you are still only a little over 10 then yes, yes it does.

Almost about 1180 days isn't very little either

Dark Angels Champ-Master wrote:So it doesn't mean I am a "Little Kid"

see that's just the thing. what are you trying to qualify as a little kid?

I am old enough to be your father. to ME, you ARE a little kid. that's just what it is.

I have played games against men old enough to be my grandfather. so to them, I am a little kid.

its a relative argument.

WHOOP, there it went, I just realized I am arguing semantics with an 11 year old.

with that realization, I have removed troll food from today's menu.

correct that, i'm not 11
0-1 Infant
1-2 Baby
2-4 Toddler
4-8 Little Kid
8-11 Kid
12 Pre-Teen
13-17 Teen
18-61 Adult
61-Beyond Senior

Dark Angels Champ-Master wrote:correct that, i'm not 11
0-1 Infant
1-2 Baby
2-4 Toddler
4-8 Little Kid
8-11 Kid
12 Pre-Teen
13-17 Teen
18-61 Adult
61-Beyond Senior

I'm going to propose an adjusted scale that I use on a day to day basis.

1-17: Child
18+: Grown Up Child
Someone who can shoulder responsibility and think outside themselves: Adult.

The chart is of an average behavior

no, the chart is a specific labeling of age groups.

seriously, you're 12 then is it?

just go enjoy being 12. you have all the rest of your life to try and be an adult. enjoy being a kid.

play warhammer, don't play warhammer, whatever.

you're still a 12 year old. stop arguing with the myriad of adults when you have asked for an opinion and you don't like it. thats why its called an opinion.

Nerivant wrote:I'm going to propose an adjusted scale that I use on a day to day basis.

1-17: Child
18+: Grown Up Child
Someone who can shoulder responsibility and think outside themselves: Adult.

I would go more with:
1-35-ish: Kids
36-ish+: Everyone else.

I would agree with the last part, though

For anyone who is currently in their 20's or early 30's, that's not intended as any sort of put-down. From teens through to your 30's, you tend to feel all grown up... it's only afterwards looking back that you realise just how much you weren't.

Heck, I'll probably hit 40 and look back at my 30's and think the same thing.

Whether you're 11, 12, or 16... hell, you could be as old as 20, I don't give a gak, you fall under my category that I call "You're, like, 12". I use this category for anyone under the age of 20 who wants anything.

Kid wants me to buy beer at 7-11 for him?
"You're, like, 12. Go away."

20-year-old girl used a fake ID to get into the club and is flirting with me at the bar?
"You're, like, 12. Go away.

16 year old at the FLGS wants to get into a political discussion?
"You're, like, 12. Go away."

Of course, if these same people walk up with a copy of Dark Heresy under their arm or a box of painted miniatures and want to "talk shop" about gaming, war-gaming, video games or whatever similar hobby-related topics? Sure, I'll spend all day talking to them. Of course, I'll probably forget what I'm talking about halfway through, but, well, that's life.

It doesn't matter. For those of us who are as old as your parents (and quite possibly older), the handful of years in the 12-20 spread are meaningless. To us, you're a kid. There's no shame in that, you're still young. Enjoy it while you can, because once it's gone, it's gone, and will never come again.

The fact that you're basically here, in this thread, stamping your foot and angrily declaring that you're not a little kid is.... well, let's call it "cute".

You're at the age where you are beginning the first steps in establishing your own identity, separate from your parents, as a part of your peer-group and as an individual. You don't want to be considered a child, but you're not yet an adult. We've all been there before.... or, for some of the other posters, they'll be there soon enough, too.

Before you know it, you'll be here on Dakka, sitting at home, shaking your pimp-stick in the air, ranting about these damned kids with their Pokemans and their DragonFall Deez, what with their DaemonPrince Primarchs and CRASSUS ARMORED ASSAULT TRANSPORTS, and, why, back in my day...

So it goes.

Those damn Pokemans.

nectarprime wrote:Those damn Pokemans.

Do you want to see mine?

coolyo294 wrote:

nectarprime wrote:Those damn Pokemans.

Do you want to see mine?

My little brother very nearly kicked my ass. He's six...

What kills me is when 7 year olds say that that play "Space Maweens" and paint their salamanders "Weel good."

Besides that, anything else is okay, as long as the player can not cry uncontrollably when they lose their captain (im a hippocrite!)

Dark Angels Champ-Master wrote:little kid, refers to 10 and under. I am not that old myself, almost into my teen years, but not very many little kid have the patience or anything, and if more youngsters join, GW will make stuff like machine painted models, next edition more suitable for younger ages, and the whole hobby will turn out like pokemon!

Again, you do realize who 40k is aimed at right?

To me, those guys who are 40+ and play either 40k or Fantasy are... strange, especially those who insist that the game's meant for adults. It's a kids game. I don't see how they could make the next edition more suitable for younger ages, unless you want a 500 page tome with big, pretty pictures.

Now, to those who hobby 40k or Fantasy - kudos to you guys. Seriously, the stuff the hobbyists make over on CoolMiniOrNot are mind-blowing.

Oh, and to whether or not you're a little kid, well...

Little kid is little.

Rimmy wrote:

Deadshot wrote:

KingmanHighborn wrote:I've seen some 14 year olds curse in such a way, that a USMC drill sergeant would blush.

i happen to be one of them.not one thet you've met but,you should here the words coming outta my mouth when my mum brings my clean laundry up to be put away

MOD note : please make more on an effort with regards to spelling and grammar when posting. Thank you.

and this is something that you are proud of?

perhaps if you understand that its a problem, you should make a consorted effort to change it.... for the better. just my $.02

I am not entirely* proud of it.I was just agreeing with Rimmy that most 14 yr olds,and even younger now swear because they hear their parnets doing it,and so pick up on it.

*I feel proud to stand up to my mum like that.If you had met my mum,you'd know why.

Psienesis wrote:Whether you're 11, 12, or 16... hell, you could be as old as 20, I don't give a gak, you fall under my category that I call "You're, like, 12". I use this category for anyone under the age of 20 who wants anything.

Kid wants me to buy beer at 7-11 for him?
"You're, like, 12. Go away."

20-year-old girl used a fake ID to get into the club and is flirting with me at the bar?
"You're, like, 12. Go away.

16 year old at the FLGS wants to get into a political discussion?
"You're, like, 12. Go away."

Of course, if these same people walk up with a copy of Dark Heresy under their arm or a box of painted miniatures and want to "talk shop" about gaming, war-gaming, video games or whatever similar hobby-related topics? Sure, I'll spend all day talking to them. Of course, I'll probably forget what I'm talking about halfway through, but, well, that's life.

It doesn't matter. For those of us who are as old as your parents (and quite possibly older), the handful of years in the 12-20 spread are meaningless. To us, you're a kid. There's no shame in that, you're still young. Enjoy it while you can, because once it's gone, it's gone, and will never come again.

The fact that you're basically here, in this thread, stamping your foot and angrily declaring that you're not a little kid is.... well, let's call it "cute".

You're at the age where you are beginning the first steps in establishing your own identity, separate from your parents, as a part of your peer-group and as an individual. You don't want to be considered a child, but you're not yet an adult. We've all been there before.... or, for some of the other posters, they'll be there soon enough, too.

Before you know it, you'll be here on Dakka, sitting at home, shaking your pimp-stick in the air, ranting about these damned kids with their Pokemans and their DragonFall Deez, what with their DaemonPrince Primarchs and CRASSUS ARMORED ASSAULT TRANSPORTS, and, why, back in my day...

So it goes.

Woh woh woh what were you thinking with this one

Na. Little kids under 15 shound not play, unless with other people their age. Look at it this way, you have this beautiful army that you've spent countless hours and nights painting, and heres this kid who half assembled, poorly painted army is playing against you in a tournament.

He doesnt know the rules because he cant read, or doesnt want to. So you end up telling him the rules, and how to beat you just so you dont feel bad about taking advantage of a kid who is to lazy to learn how to play.

NO TO KIDS PLAYING UNLESS THEY"RE WELL INFORMED.

xSoulgrinderx wrote:Na. Little kids under 15 shound not play, unless with other people their age. Look at it this way, you have this beautiful army that you've spent countless hours and nights painting, and heres this kid who half assembled, poorly painted army is playing against you in a tournament.

He doesnt know the rules because he cant read, or doesnt want to. So you end up telling him the rules, and how to beat you just so you dont feel bad about taking advantage of a kid who is to lazy to learn how to play.

NO TO KIDS PLAYING UNLESS THEY"RE WELL INFORMED.

I don't even know where to start.

Well, I do, but I really, really don't want to type it all out. Not worth it.

xSoulgrinderx wrote:Na. Little kids under 15 shound not play, unless with other people their age. Look at it this way, you have this beautiful army that you've spent countless hours and nights painting, and heres this kid who half assembled, poorly painted army is playing against you in a tournament.

He doesnt know the rules because he cant read, or doesnt want to. So you end up telling him the rules, and how to beat you just so you dont feel bad about taking advantage of a kid who is to lazy to learn how to play.

NO TO KIDS PLAYING UNLESS THEY"RE WELL INFORMED.

You realise that all of that post could just as easily be applied to people over 15, right?

Unpainted armies and lack of knowledge of the rules are by no means confined to kids.

I once played against a kid who was going "Waddu i need to roooool???" for the 20th time after me and my brother explained the basic rules to him over and over again. Or the ones who just ask you what they should do and then they only roll the dice, and if there is a single 6 among them he goes crazy how smart he is. I think people can do well without these

I suppose it all really depends, if a kid can prove he can play then sure i don't see why not, but if he just wants to play because he likes the little army guys and doesn't know the first part of actually playing the game, then no. Then again this can all apply to older players as well.

I suppose the lesson here is that don't judge a player by his age.

xSoulgrinderx wrote:Na. Little kids under 15 shound not play, unless with other people their age. Look at it this way, you have this beautiful army that you've spent countless hours and nights painting, and heres this kid who half assembled, poorly painted army is playing against you in a tournament.

He doesnt know the rules because he cant read, or doesnt want to. So you end up telling him the rules, and how to beat you just so you dont feel bad about taking advantage of a kid who is to lazy to learn how to play.

NO TO KIDS PLAYING UNLESS THEY"RE WELL INFORMED.

Excuse me but I resent this very much! I'm 14,I have memeorised the rules of both my armies,Tyranids,4th and 5th ed,and Space Marines,and the BRB,my armies are well painteed,not to Golden Daemon standard,but to a standard that doesn't make my opponent gag,and I take consideration the modalling,especially with characters.

Yes I did read the last statement,buy the objection is to the 1st clause,no under 15s.

Here are my rules

1-know the rules and codex enough so I don't have to correct you every phase,and then give you the BRB to prove it.
2-As long as the base coat is on it's painted.However if you do paint it properly, make it good.
3-Don't use modals with missing arms or wings.Wings not so much as you can count it as a griounded version,ie,Tyranid Shrikes as warriors.Missing arms is bad because you can count it as an assaulkt cannon on the army list,but the arm might only be a stormbolter.

I don't get the primed rule. Grey models do look much better than black blobs of something. I never prime my stuff unless I'm about to paint it, because the black color takes away all the details.