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KingmanHighborn wrote:I've seen some 14 year olds curse in such a way, that a USMC drill sergeant would blush.

i happen to be one of them.not one thet you've met but,you should here the words coming outta my mouth when my mum brings my clean laundry up to be put away

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I will say that, older than dirt I may be, but if I was at a tourny at my FLGS and some kid kicked me in the shin and called me old, I'd slap the taste out their mouths and then beat them with my pimp-stick.

Don't you dare call it a cane... it's a pimp-stick.

What I don't like is someone who walks away when its not their turn...

or someone who has to cheer and yell out to others when his 20 SW own 9 pathfinders...

or someone who sulks on turn 2 because his axesome Du4e got instakilled...

or someone who insists that all attacks against a dreadnought auto hit since its a vehicle...

Those tend to be younger kids... but its not because they're young that they're poor opponents it because many of them lack the courtesy and life experience to understand why certain behaviors aren't welcomed by other gamers.

I'd never turn down a game based on age... but I might be less thrilled to play some "kids" than others, due to childish behavior.

I don't mind some cheering, as I'm excitable myself sometimes, though I tend to cheer my models doing something rather then anything I actually did. Granted I don't gloat, but I do cheer when 3 Nid' Ripper bases hold up and pull down a warboss AND his nob bodyguards. Or other similar underdog scenarios.

im absolutely fine to play little kids. as long as they are actually decent

by decent i mean capable of understanding the rules. their own rules and the game systems rules. i personally am almost 14 but im happy playing gamers of any age. as long as they don't talk snobbery to me (generally older players). if they do i generally hand thier ass to them. in my gaming store im known as "the necron player". one other kid plays necrons (very rarely) and one of the managers does as well. most of the time i hand almost everybodies asses to them. now im on a losing streak unfortunately...

but back on-topic as long as they understand the rules im happy. i've refused to only ever play 2 people.
1 is about 8-9. i dont play him because he doesn't know how to play. in one game i anhilliated his entire army (only AOBR box worth) with a shot from a super-heavy. but guess what he goes and does... he says, and these were pretty much his exact words "my marines aren't dead! there super space marines! with a massive force shield that protects them from anything!". he then proceeds to, instead of removing them from the table, move them to the other side of the board and continue playing. i had to get a staff member to convince him that they were dead.
the other person i refuse to play is just a total snob. around 30, and says he plays most armies. he uses 3 codexs in 1 army (imperial guard, death korps of krieg and vostroyan). and picks and chooses what to use from which. he claims rules that don't exist. especially about my own army. i tell him time and again he was wrong but he still goes and makes sure its not in the FAQ, even though its in the codex he thinks hes read it in the FAQ. the other thing is hes was carrying an out-of-date FAQ. he couldn't even find it in there, and by the time hes finished looking ive checked the codex, FAQ and rulebook for this rule. suffice to say i still beat him. though only just.

occasionally people don't like to play against me because i take advantage of almost every single rule. thats because ive essentially memorised the rules. occasionally ill act a little immature, generally when ive gotten a really lucky kill thats won me the game or made it much easier, or some incredible streaks of rolling that have bought almost my entire army back to life (had a few models left from a devastating round of firestorm, than bought all of them back but 1 or 2) but the majority of the time i won't.

im also very annoyed at people who walk away on their turn. and by the time ive come back ive fired a weapon and am waiting for him to take his saves, and then they go and complain i didn't tell them whats shooting. i did but they weren't paying attention.


anyway /rant.

Dark Angels Champ-Master wrote:I agree with you all. I mean little as in under 10. Im actually just a few years above 10 and I am deeply passionate about the hobby.

I'd just like to point out that the OP is really being a bit hypocritical about "little kids" as shown in the bolded text, he's actually what most gamers would consider a "little kid".

VI th legion wrote: I'd just like to point out that the OP is really being a bit hypocritical about "little kids" as shown in the bolded text, he's actually what most gamers would consider a "little kid".

Again, that's not being hypocritical. It's being a teenager.

Pretty much every kid over the age of 3 sees anyone younger as 'little kids'...

Sabet wrote:occasionally people don't like to play against me because i take advantage of almost every single rule. thats because ive essentially memorised the rules. occasionally ill act a little immature, generally when ive gotten a really lucky kill thats won me the game or made it much easier, or some incredible streaks of rolling that have bought almost my entire army back to life (had a few models left from a devastating round of firestorm, than bought all of them back but 1 or 2) but the majority of the time i won't.

iam the same,14 with 99% of the rules in my noggin'.i also take advantage of every rule to get the victory.why should i not?

such as

a campaign game i played,where my team win by default if its a draw.

the guy i was annihilating only basically had Abbadon left on turn 6. ther were 2 objectives,i controlled niether
he insisted that abbadon can capture it because my tac squad were far away.you see my point.i would have won because by default i win if its a draw and no one controlled the objectives

after argueing and the involvement of a staff member,he agreed to go to kill pointsd

he had abbadon,an immobilised,cannonless chaos vindicator and a 3 man possessed squad that had deep striked(mission special rule)and sat,since turn 2! left out of a 2500pts army

i had lost
a five man combat squad
a dread
a pred
a rhino with 2 marines passengers.


i still had
Calgar
Draigo
a storm raven
a rhino
a five man tac squad,the other half of the destroyed one
a five man tac squad combat squad
the other 3 marnies of that sdquad seperate
a vindicator
a vindicare assassin


and yes it was using allied grey knights and BA SR in one list

campaign rules let you



granted he was 14ish and not a little kid

So I should preface this, that at 41 years old I *know* this is immature and not the best way to deal with this, but being from Camden, New Jersey, we don't have nicer ways of dealing with things!

Whenever I play younger dudes, say 15-17, I always put a ball peen hammer on my side of the table, on the far right. When they ask what it's for, my response is "every time you act like a rules lawyer and belittle or demean me for not knowing all of the new rules, or if you whine and pout, I take that hammer and smash a model of yours that is on the board."

100% of the time it works and we have fun playing a *game*. Getting my butt kicked is something that I actually enjoy in the game, to really know success you have to know failure. And learning what not to do is still learning, so it doesn't bother me in the least to lose to a good player, regardless of his or her age. And the rules have changed greatly since 2nd edition, and I let my opponents know this. So as long as they aren't demeaning, it's never an issue.''

I stopped playing in 1995, so it's literally a "I stopped playing this game before you were even born, kid." type of thing.

Depends of the kid.

Kirigakure wrote:So I should preface this, that at 41 years old I *know* this is immature and not the best way to deal with this, but being from Camden, New Jersey, we don't have nicer ways of dealing with things!

Whenever I play younger dudes, say 15-17, I always put a ball peen hammer on my side of the table, on the far right. When they ask what it's for, my response is "every time you act like a rules lawyer and belittle or demean me for not knowing all of the new rules, or if you whine and pout, I take that hammer and smash a model of yours that is on the board."

100% of the time it works and we have fun playing a *game*. Getting my butt kicked is something that I actually enjoy in the game, to really know success you have to know failure. And learning what not to do is still learning, so it doesn't bother me in the least to lose to a good player, regardless of his or her age. And the rules have changed greatly since 2nd edition, and I let my opponents know this. So as long as they aren't demeaning, it's never an issue.''

I stopped playing in 1995, so it's literally a "I stopped playing this game before you were even born, kid." type of thing.

This post goes to show that some people are childish no matter what their age....

You were a kid once you know let them play it. everyone had a hobby when they were younger, so why should it be any different for the kids of today to have a hobby that they enjoy

nectarprime wrote:This post goes to show that some people are childish no matter what their age....

Not really necessary to refer to me as "childish", you must be one of those who've been on the receiving end of a lesson in manners no doubt. Most of the time, an ill-mannered child points directly to an ill-mannered parent. There are times when society has to step in where parents obviously haven't, and in the case of teenaged rules lawyers who have to demean others instead of effectively communicate, well you get the picture. How many times have you invested hours into a game, only to be rudely badgered by a teenaged know-it-all right towards the end? Yeah sure, you can say "look kid, don't talk to me that way. This game is over.", but after a few dozen times it gets frustrating. Sure, you could give the kid what he really needs - a smack across the face, but really, that complicates the situation now doesn't it? So you drop the hammer and instantly the whining ceases.

I have no problem with kids playing the game, I just think they should play against people their own age. I started hanging out at game stores at 15, and it was a blast.

I am a 31 year old, and have a 3 year old son. I work in an elementary school as a Teacher's Assistant for behaviorally disordered kids (doing restraints and dealing with tantrums in addition to instruction). I have no desire to spend my free time hanging out with anyone younger than 20, believe me.

Also, I just don't think it's that good for little kids (13 and younger) to be hanging out with 30-40 year olds all the time. I've seen some examples of this, and the adults usually aren't that nice to the kid. And the kid just has to take it, because it's his parent's idea of babysitting.

Im 15and i hang out at my FLGS with all the 30+ fellows and i tell you a lot of gets thrown my way because of my age lol. I know that they respect me because of the fact that i school them most times (not trying to be boastfull). Its funny because i hear allot of you guys talking about not cussing with people under 16 at the shop, the guys at my shop would laugh so hard at that valour when im there its cuss after cuss lol and no one cares when i join in on the fun lol.

Kirigakure wrote:

nectarprime wrote:This post goes to show that some people are childish no matter what their age....

Not really necessary to refer to me as "childish", you must be one of those who've been on the receiving end of a lesson in manners no doubt. Most of the time, an ill-mannered child points directly to an ill-mannered parent. There are times when society has to step in where parents obviously haven't, and in the case of teenaged rules lawyers who have to demean others instead of effectively communicate, well you get the picture. How many times have you invested hours into a game, only to be rudely badgered by a teenaged know-it-all right towards the end? Yeah sure, you can say "look kid, don't talk to me that way. This game is over.", but after a few dozen times it gets frustrating. Sure, you could give the kid what he really needs - a smack across the face, but really, that complicates the situation now doesn't it? So you drop the hammer and instantly the whining ceases.

So you, a grown man, would smash a child's toy to show him a "lesson"? The only lesson he will learn is that some people are jerks.

Your tough guy mentality is pretty funny

Furthermore, I'm sure you would get kicked out of a store, and maybe punched in the face by an angry father.

Im 14 and you will probably see me as a little kid

So, no problem.
As long as they dont make up that they have chaos tyranids that are hunted by Orks because they have something the Orkses like (read: the golden throne)

questions would go as follows if the "little kid" is under 16 ( i ask the same 2 questions to all players though if i have never played them so really it isn't age discrimination at all)

"do you know the rules?"
"did you bring your codex?"

if the answer is yes to both then let's play.

if the answer is no to the first but yes to the second then lets play and make it a demo game inviting another person to play my orks and we'll teach you both

if both are no's then sorry unless you are playing an army that I have a codex to or have your list on army builder i just don't think you'll rememebr everythign about your units but ask you not take it personal as i hold everybody by those two questions anyway

nectarprime wrote:So you, a grown man, would smash a child's toy to show him a "lesson"? The only lesson he will learn is that some people are jerks.

Your tough guy mentality is pretty funny

Furthermore, I'm sure you would get kicked out of a store, and maybe punched in the face by an angry father.

Would smash a toy? Have done it, but only twice. Only because the rest of the store was full of people probably much like yourself - gutless and unable to get a message across. In that particular case, the kid (a 16 year old boy) was so embarrassed that he told me he deserved it, and everybody applauded and he hasn't been the same since. In the other instance, indeed a parent confronted me, he was standing right there when I did it. And he laughed and told his son, "that's what you get for being a jerk!".

It's not a "tough guy mentality", and most of the time it's done in a humorous way with both of us laughing. Just like when I stop a game and demand my opponent roll a deodorant test else forfeit the turn (smelly fat guys must roll a 3 or under to pass on a D6, else go find deodorant in order to continue the game).

I've never been kicked out of a store, and would *gladly* love to have a father attempt to punch me in the face due to his offspring's lack of manners.

Kirigakure wrote:

nectarprime wrote:So you, a grown man, would smash a child's toy to show him a "lesson"? The only lesson he will learn is that some people are jerks.

Your tough guy mentality is pretty funny

Furthermore, I'm sure you would get kicked out of a store, and maybe punched in the face by an angry father.

Would smash a toy? Have done it, but only twice. Only because the rest of the store was full of people probably much like yourself - gutless and unable to get a message across. In that particular case, the kid (a 16 year old boy) was so embarrassed that he told me he deserved it, and everybody applauded and he hasn't been the same since. In the other instance, indeed a parent confronted me, he was standing right there when I did it. And he laughed and told his son, "that's what you get for being a jerk!".

It's not a "tough guy mentality", and most of the time it's done in a humorous way with both of us laughing. Just like when I stop a game and demand my opponent roll a deodorant test else forfeit the turn (smelly fat guys must roll a 3 or under to pass on a D6, else go find deodorant in order to continue the game).

I've never been kicked out of a store, and would *gladly* love to have a father attempt to punch me in the face due to his offspring's lack of manners.

I'm gutless because I disagree with your method? Interesting conclusion you have.

Ah, I missed that you were from Jersey. It all makes sense now

You're probably gutless for a host of additional reasons too, but in this instance it's for the tough talk from behind a keyboard.

Glad it makes sense to you now, you apparently know that South Jersey has a proven method of dealing with idiots and immature gamers.

Kirigakure wrote:You're probably gutless for a host of additional reasons too, but in this instance it's for the tough talk from behind a keyboard.

Glad it makes sense to you now, you apparently know that South Jersey has a proven method of dealing with idiots and immature gamers.

How is this tough talk? You're the one talking about getting physical with children over a game.

Welcome to my ignore list tough guy. Do you feel macho bro?

Whoa!

Everyone please remember that this site is governed by rules - there's a link in my signature to them.

Public warning now issued!

It is now time to settle down and STOP insulting each other.

G00fySmiley wrote:questions would go as follows if the "little kid" is under 16 ( i ask the same 2 questions to all players though if i have never played them so really it isn't age discrimination at all)

"do you know the rules?"
"did you bring your codex?"

if the answer is yes to both then let's play.

if the answer is no to the first but yes to the second then lets play and make it a demo game inviting another person to play my orks and we'll teach you both

if both are no's then sorry unless you are playing an army that I have a codex to or have your list on army builder i just don't think you'll rememebr everythign about your units but ask you not take it personal as i hold everybody by those two questions anyway

I do the same exact thing. i have a very good comprehension of the rules. I've been playing since I was a wee lad back in 3rd Edtition and had gotten schooled so many times by the elder players that I always played against at my FLGS. Because of that Im super good at the rules and such compared to others I've played.

Basically, I break down ages like this (not just for 40k, but for any video/board/card/tabletop game):

21 and older: This is my preferred opponent. Mainly because we'll have things to chat about while playing. Plus, you can go out for a beer afterwards and talk about your war stories.

15-21: I have no problem at all playing someone in this age range. I expect them to obey the rules 100%, and I won't be going easy on them.

10-14: I'll occasionally play against an opponent of this age. But, I go in knowing that they may have some made-up rule that they won't budge on, or simply be a very poor sportsman. I go easy on them and am patient in trying to explain rules.

6-9: I typically avoid these gamers. Sometimes, I'll play them. But, if I do, I don't even bother trying to play a real game. Just try and have fun (more for them than me). I'll play by the rules, but basically let them "bend" the rules. I'll try help them understand the rules, but getting them to understand every little thing is more hassle than it's worth. They'll get better at the rules as they get older. I also fully expect the game to end abruptly when their parent says its time to leave.

5 and under: I won't play a pickup game against these players. They need to be related to me, or a child of one of my friends. I've never seen someone this young play 40k. But, if playing a different game, I will go very easy on them. I won't break the rules to let them win, but I go out of my way to let them win. Of course, games for this age range are typically ones like Life, Candyland, War, or other ones where the players can't actually control the outcome.


And, of course, these are just generalizations. Plenty of individuals can easily bump up or down a category.

Grakmar wrote:Basically, I break down ages like this (not just for 40k, but for any video/board/card/tabletop game):

21 and older: This is my preferred opponent. Mainly because we'll have things to chat about while playing. Plus, you can go out for a beer afterwards and talk about your war stories.

15-21: I have no problem at all playing someone in this age range. I expect them to obey the rules 100%, and I won't be going easy on them.

10-14: I'll occasionally play against an opponent of this age. But, I go in knowing that they may have some made-up rule that they won't budge on, or simply be a very poor sportsman. I go easy on them and am patient in trying to explain rules.

6-9: I typically avoid these gamers. Sometimes, I'll play them. But, if I do, I don't even bother trying to play a real game. Just try and have fun (more for them than me). I'll play by the rules, but basically let them "bend" the rules. I'll try help them understand the rules, but getting them to understand every little thing is more hassle than it's worth. They'll get better at the rules as they get older. I also fully expect the game to end abruptly when their parent says its time to leave.

5 and under: I won't play a pickup game against these players. They need to be related to me, or a child of one of my friends. I've never seen someone this young play 40k. But, if playing a different game, I will go very easy on them. I won't break the rules to let them win, but I go out of my way to let them win. Of course, games for this age range are typically ones like Life, Candyland, War, or other ones where the players can't actually control the outcome.


And, of course, these are just generalizations. Plenty of individuals can easily bump up or down a category.

what i'm hearing is you will go out for a beer with the 15-20 croud...

but srsly pretty reasonable guidelines. the onyl reason I'll go lower in age is the store i play in is a gaming center in a mall so there's plenty of kids around curious about toy soldiers and the more they like it the more people will come in. I've shown a kid who couldn't be older than the 7th grade how to play and his two older brothers came the next week after he told em abotu it and one curious kid who thought orks looked mean and scary btu coool ended up getting my flgs at least another 4-5 customers (his brothers friends) and by extention got me more opponents

granted sometimes I'll teach somebody how to play and never see them again btu that is how things work

Deadshot wrote:

KingmanHighborn wrote:I've seen some 14 year olds curse in such a way, that a USMC drill sergeant would blush.

i happen to be one of them.not one thet you've met but,you should here the words coming outta my mouth when my mum brings my clean laundry up to be put away

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and this is something that you are proud of?

perhaps if you understand that its a problem, you should make a consorted effort to change it.... for the better. just my $.02


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G00fySmiley wrote:questions would go as follows if the "little kid" is under 16 ( i ask the same 2 questions to all players though if i have never played them so really it isn't age discrimination at all)

"do you know the rules?"
"did you bring your codex?"

if the answer is yes to both then let's play.

if the answer is no to the first but yes to the second then lets play and make it a demo game inviting another person to play my orks and we'll teach you both

if both are no's then sorry unless you are playing an army that I have a codex to or have your list on army builder i just don't think you'll rememebr everythign about your units but ask you not take it personal as i hold everybody by those two questions anyway

this is refreshing to hear. positive encouragement. keep our kids in hobbies!

little kid, refers to 10 and under. I am not that old myself, almost into my teen years, but not very many little kid have the patience or anything, and if more youngsters join, GW will make stuff like machine painted models, next edition more suitable for younger ages, and the whole hobby will turn out like pokemon!

No,Its good for them to get into it.

Dark Angels Champ-Master wrote:little kid, refers to 10 and under. I am not that old myself, almost into my teen years, but not very many little kid have the patience or anything, and if more youngsters join, GW will make stuff like machine painted models, next edition more suitable for younger ages, and the whole hobby will turn out like pokemon!

Mephiston I CHOOSE YOU!!!