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Vaktathi wrote:

Dark Scipio wrote:But the Necrons are lead by cunning commanders, and if the thread of the Tyranids is larger than that of the Marines, it makes sense to cease hostilities to have a chance to keep existing and complete your goal later.

Same for BAs.

To an extent, for the immediate threat perhaps, but to end parting peacefully is ascribing a reasonableness to these forces that simply isn't reasonable given the game universe.

Yeah, that is a bit far fetched. If both armies were crippled to the point where it would be tactically prudent t to just let their enemies go then yes, but I believe that that wasn't stated.

Blood Angels. Their fluff is boring and made the long suffering chapter look like an army made of Twilight characters (they are emo, vampire golden boys). Even Tycho seems as an wuss and don't get me started on the Sanguinor...
I hope that the next marine codex is written by Phil Kelly since he seems to be in control of the fluff for some extent (love the eldar codex).

The Epic Chaosdude!!! wrote:Blood Angels. Their fluff is boring and made the long suffering chapter look like an army made of Twilight characters (they are emo, vampire golden boys). Even Tycho seems as an Wuss and don't get me started on the Sanguinor...
I hope that the next marine codex is written by Phil Kelly since he seems to be in control of the fluff for some extent (love the eldar codex).

Yeah, Kelly is just awesome. Love the Ork Codex, and the Dark Eldar Codex is just brilliant. Is he a new guy?

I dont actually know but I think that Phill has been around GW for quite a long time. His face has been around some really old white dwarfs.

The space Wolves are Kelly's work too.

1hadhq wrote:The space Wolves are Kelly's work too.

Everyone has a bad day occasionally.

Please god don't let Ward within 500 miles of a CSM codex i don't the CSM getting monkey laser freaking guns with Str 10 Ap 1 and insta kills Land Raiders for no reason

A bad day?

So 50/50 in 5th ed.
Maybe hes better off with xenos > Craftworld Eldar as a followup of their dark cousins.

@Nightwalker:

Ruinous powers
- who gets power wrong?
- who ruins the fluff?

There is no escape.

If Ward is still working for GW after the necron dex release...
maybe there is a portal opening and swallows him... you know the greenish kind of portals....

Let's review all of them, shall we?

Blood Angles: We're vampires in SPAAAAAAACE, basically meaning we're better than every other chapter. And all our stuff has something to do with blood.
Black Templars: We're men, we're men in tights. Not much to say. Nothing like running towards Purifiers because they killed Plebeian Bob.
Dark Angles: Their primarch's name is a pun on a homosexual poet, and since they have a 'dark secret', it's pretty lol worthy. Apart from that, just average Spessh Mehren goodness.
Chaos Daemons: They're Daemons. They do ridiculous gak and disappear. There's literally nothing good or bad about their fluff.
CHAOS SPESSH MEHRENS: They invade the Imperium and they fail, every time. Every, single, time.
Dark Eldar: Now apparently they actually have lore. The Kabals actually have personalities and apparently they're really bad at cleaning Space Marines off their Dark City. They also trolled a bunch of Tau by stealing them and turning them into Grotesques.
Eldar: "We got completely destroyed by the Lord of Pleasure, and we're fighting for survival, but we're STILL going to act like arrogant dickheads about it"
Grey Knights: Every single Grey Knight is a fluff-decimating whirlwind of unstoppable destruction. But don't worry, there's definitely some plot tension there.
Imperial Guard: "You're everything we've come to expect from years of government training."
Necrons: Half their fluff is about how they became SUPER MEGA POWERFUL from the C'tan, and the other half is unintelligible bs about various stories, including something about a Callidus Assassin discovering that a Planetary Governor is a C'tan. No joke. Next book hopefully they'll get the DE treatment and get some actual fluff.
Orks: "We iz Orks, and you is not."
Sisters of Battle: I'm not going to discuss this gak at all.
Space Wolves: Honorable werewolf viking trickster Space Marines? Oh yeah, this is totally coherent and sensible.
Tau: In the grim Darkness of the Far Future (C), there is only communist space cows with both optimism and bad eyesight. Their special characters are unremarkable and they get along by using technology to compensate for genetics. Thanks, Apple!
Tyranids: What started off as an actually good pull-off of the faceless force of destruction has just become meh. Now they have personality. The Swarmlord sort of reminds me almost as if they made another Alien film and one of the Xenomorphs suddenly decides that he wants to murder things with a baseball bat instead of claws. So now he's Bob the Baseball Xenomorph. And he terrorizes the entire galaxy, and everyone targets him. There'll be wanted posters for Bob everywhere.

Mr. Self Destruct wrote:The Swarmlord sort of reminds me almost as if they made another Alien film and one of the Xenomorphs suddenly decides that he wants to murder things with a baseball bat instead of claws.

Ok, that did make me laugh.

He's kind of a biological General Greivous (middle name Bodily, Surname Harm)

He's great conversion fodder though, even if i do disapprove of the fluff change.

I would have made him a variant CC tyrant, rather than a special character.

Grey Templar wrote:I'll give you that.


Ward should stick to writing rules and maybe coming up with Concepts and themes. leave the actual writing to Jervis.

I have some doubts about that, remember Chaos Daemon Army book?

Ward is the broken clock of rules development, and as we know, a broken clock is right twice a day.

Kanluwen wrote:Not really, not when it comes to a very powerful one.

Yes, really. The methods are time consuming and not a little bit painful, but they work.

Melissia wrote:The Imperium has many means to remove taint.

Do they use scalpels?

labmouse42 wrote:

Melissia wrote:The Imperium has many means to remove taint.

Do they use scalpels?

They use Chainswords...

Brother Coa wrote:

labmouse42 wrote:

Melissia wrote:The Imperium has many means to remove taint.

Do they use scalpels?

They use Chainswords...

Cauterizing the wounds with flamethrowers, no doubt.

Lynata wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

labmouse42 wrote:

Melissia wrote:The Imperium has many means to remove taint.

Do they use scalpels?

They use Chainswords...

Cauterizing the wounds with flamethrowers, no doubt.

And don't forget melta for wound recovery

Brother Coa wrote:

Lynata wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

labmouse42 wrote:

Melissia wrote:The Imperium has many means to remove taint.

Do they use scalpels?

They use Chainswords...

Cauterizing the wounds with flamethrowers, no doubt.

And don't forget melta for wound recovery

and then there is Psychotroke grenades for the pain.

Mutation must be delt with by Rad grenade therapy.

There's always the Plasma surgery!

Tau.

Not enough substance.

Eldar. They make Eldrad out to be this great guy, and both times I have faced him I have killed him easy.

Space Wolves.

Not even a competition there...

Tau or WOLFWOLFWOLFWOLFWOLF.

The only pet peeve I really have is when people don't know their own codex.

This past weekend I wound up saying "Are you sure your commissar gives all IG +1 BS to all models within 12?"

Space Wolves for the names. Grey Knights in second for the abomination that is Draigo.



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ChiliPowderKeg wrote:Tau.

Not enough substance.

That's not really bad fluff, just lack of fluff.

Does anyone else notice a slight bias?

Kanluwen wrote:Why is it that we have to have this freaking conversation every time a "worst fluff in a Codex" thread?

This idea leads me to say GK.

If it is written so badly that it annoys someone who wants to support them it is probably a bad sign.

Otherwise, personally, it's Tyranids.
So much of that undercut what drew me to the army that I have almost stopped playing.
The rules themselves are not so bad (the FAQ is another matter), but I have been thinking that perhaps I have serious issues with Cruddace's idea of game design. Between his handeling of Tyranids and Tomb Kings he has decimated my urge to collect and game.

Space Wolves. No question.

The rest of the Codex fluff I quite like. Even the Blood Angels and Grey knights had reasonable fluff, despite some rather large flaws (coughsistersofbattlemurderedforsomedarkritualcough)
but on the whole they're OK.

But Space Wolves? ARGH!

Dark Scipio wrote:But the Necrons are lead by cunning commanders, and if the thread of the Tyranids is larger than that of the Marines, it makes sense to cease hostilities to have a chance to keep existing and complete your goal later.

Same for BAs.

No.
First. Tyranids don't like attacking the Necrons in the first place. There are places in the books that state that the Tyranids avoid the Necron tomb worlds.
Second. The Necrons would NOT stop attacking the Blood Angels. They would continue to attack the Blood Angels while attacking the Tyranids. It would be a three way battle.
Third. The Necrons don't stop, unless they phase out. So if they had too many casulties, they would just phase out. But that would have nothing to do with who fought on their side.

Those reasons make the BA codex feel... dirty. Currupted. And that isn't the only bit. Though i will admit that I haven't gone through the Grey Knights Codex enough. Maybe it really is worse.