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You would have to remove the MIU, which would just make it a big hunk of metal, it's like giving it a lobotomy. And yes, sorry to quote Titanicus, but the ghosts can interract with the princeps.


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and the Titan, since somehow the princeps becomes one with the sentient core of the Titan

Rented Tritium wrote:

ImperialFists2ndCompany wrote:Also, if the Titan has a ghost imprint of it's former princeps. Than I feel that the Tau would not being to convert it to their cause due to the memories of the human living on inside of the Titan

Well, what are the mechanics of that element? Where is the ghost stored? Is it part of the computer, the engine? How irreducible is the titan as a unit? If you remove parts of a titan, does the ghost stay in the remaining part or do bits of the ghost go with the parts? In a lot of possible scenarios, they've removed a lot of the internals anyway, so if the ghost is in those then it's not as much of an issue. If the ghost haunts the frame, then there are questions of irreducibility.

Also, how much resistance can the ghost put up? Is it something the pilot would have to fight with willpower or is it more powerful? That might be an interesting bit of grimdark. The pilot has to do battle with the ghost constantly, but since he's tau, he doesn't really believe it's a ghost and is convinced it's just a security mechanism. Maybe the ethereal has to constantly babysit him to keep him from going out of control? Lots of interesting plot devices are potentially there.

It seems to be the kind of thing that can hide in any system of the titan...
It could hide away until a new pilot was plugged in and ambush them.
Gearheart is shown to be losing his mind ever so slowly, forgetting names and places to the machine despite having an iron will and knowing it was happening.
To a Tau it would either drive him insane even quicker (depending on willpower) or slower due to the ghost being the machine spirit mixed with the remnants of the human pilots. Alien thoughts are never pleasant, less so when they're in your head...

ImperialFists2ndCompany wrote:You would have to remove the MIU, which would just make it a big hunk of metal, it's like giving it a lobotomy. And yes, sorry to quote Titanicus, but the ghosts can interract with the princeps.


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and the Titan, since somehow the princeps becomes one with the sentient core of the Titan

So if they removed the MIU, replaced it with a bunch of drones and other tau tech, you've basically got a zombified titan. How fethed up is that, amirite? And the tau would have no idea they had done something like that. The machine spirit and the ghost would be haunting a tau junkyard somewhere.

So I'm curious about the ghost interacting, how much power does it have? Can it take people over or anything useful like that?


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purplefood wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:

ImperialFists2ndCompany wrote:Also, if the Titan has a ghost imprint of it's former princeps. Than I feel that the Tau would not being to convert it to their cause due to the memories of the human living on inside of the Titan

Well, what are the mechanics of that element? Where is the ghost stored? Is it part of the computer, the engine? How irreducible is the titan as a unit? If you remove parts of a titan, does the ghost stay in the remaining part or do bits of the ghost go with the parts? In a lot of possible scenarios, they've removed a lot of the internals anyway, so if the ghost is in those then it's not as much of an issue. If the ghost haunts the frame, then there are questions of irreducibility.

Also, how much resistance can the ghost put up? Is it something the pilot would have to fight with willpower or is it more powerful? That might be an interesting bit of grimdark. The pilot has to do battle with the ghost constantly, but since he's tau, he doesn't really believe it's a ghost and is convinced it's just a security mechanism. Maybe the ethereal has to constantly babysit him to keep him from going out of control? Lots of interesting plot devices are potentially there.

It seems to be the kind of thing that can hide in any system of the titan...
It could hide away until a new pilot was plugged in and ambush them.
Gearheart is shown to be losing his mind ever so slowly, forgetting names and places to the machine despite having an iron will and knowing it was happening.
To a Tau it would either drive him insane even quicker (depending on willpower) or slower due to the ghost being the machine spirit mixed with the remnants of the human pilots. Alien thoughts are never pleasant, less so when they're in your head...

Yeah man, see, to me that doesn't say tau can't have a titan. To me that says tau can have a titan but only if you have an awesome story about a Shas'o being tortured to death by his own thoughts in there. That's great!

Rented Tritium wrote:

ImperialFists2ndCompany wrote:You would have to remove the MIU, which would just make it a big hunk of metal, it's like giving it a lobotomy. And yes, sorry to quote Titanicus, but the ghosts can interract with the princeps.


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and the Titan, since somehow the princeps becomes one with the sentient core of the Titan

So if they removed the MIU, replaced it with a bunch of drones and other tau tech, you've basically got a zombified titan. How fethed up is that, amirite? And the tau would have no idea they had done something like that. The machine spirit and the ghost would be haunting a tau junkyard somewhere.

So I'm curious about the ghost interacting, how much power does it have? Can it take people over or anything useful like that?


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purplefood wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:

ImperialFists2ndCompany wrote:Also, if the Titan has a ghost imprint of it's former princeps. Than I feel that the Tau would not being to convert it to their cause due to the memories of the human living on inside of the Titan

Well, what are the mechanics of that element? Where is the ghost stored? Is it part of the computer, the engine? How irreducible is the titan as a unit? If you remove parts of a titan, does the ghost stay in the remaining part or do bits of the ghost go with the parts? In a lot of possible scenarios, they've removed a lot of the internals anyway, so if the ghost is in those then it's not as much of an issue. If the ghost haunts the frame, then there are questions of irreducibility.

Also, how much resistance can the ghost put up? Is it something the pilot would have to fight with willpower or is it more powerful? That might be an interesting bit of grimdark. The pilot has to do battle with the ghost constantly, but since he's tau, he doesn't really believe it's a ghost and is convinced it's just a security mechanism. Maybe the ethereal has to constantly babysit him to keep him from going out of control? Lots of interesting plot devices are potentially there.

It seems to be the kind of thing that can hide in any system of the titan...
It could hide away until a new pilot was plugged in and ambush them.
Gearheart is shown to be losing his mind ever so slowly, forgetting names and places to the machine despite having an iron will and knowing it was happening.
To a Tau it would either drive him insane even quicker (depending on willpower) or slower due to the ghost being the machine spirit mixed with the remnants of the human pilots. Alien thoughts are never pleasant, less so when they're in your head...

Yeah man, see, to me that doesn't say tau can't have a titan. To me that says tau can have a titan but only if you have an awesome story about a Shas'o being tortured to death by his own thoughts in there. That's great!

Problem is most Tau players want a titan which they can say is fully Greater Good rather than slowly going insane under the weight of several centuries of memories.
Most Imperials don't want the Tau players to have their titans anyway...
Personally i think that would be hilarious.

I guess it is feasable, however unlikely haha.

I highly doubt that the Tau's human conscripts have the will power to pilot a Titan.

But, just me going out on a limb, no evidence to back it up besides a bit of cognitive thought from reading around, but I feel if you took out the MIU and used drones instead the Titan would lose most of it's effictiveness due to it's "Character and personality" being lost, heck, and the jimmy rig job to mesh two kinds of alien technology together.

Rented Tritium wrote:Says everyone who argues with other adults.

Are you five years old? When you debate things with someone, you are expected to actually back up your arguments. Saying to read a book without specifying a passage or page number is just as helpful as saying "go back to school". It's simply not a reasonable argument.

I can't believe I have to explain this to adults.

Firstly, this is the internet, and I don't give a crap if you listen to me or not. Thats your problem.

Secondly, you aren't presenting an argument that needs to be refuted, you simply have no idea what you're talking about. If you want to debate from a position of ignorance, thats your choice.

purplefood wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:

ImperialFists2ndCompany wrote:You would have to remove the MIU, which would just make it a big hunk of metal, it's like giving it a lobotomy. And yes, sorry to quote Titanicus, but the ghosts can interract with the princeps.


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and the Titan, since somehow the princeps becomes one with the sentient core of the Titan

So if they removed the MIU, replaced it with a bunch of drones and other tau tech, you've basically got a zombified titan. How fethed up is that, amirite? And the tau would have no idea they had done something like that. The machine spirit and the ghost would be haunting a tau junkyard somewhere.

So I'm curious about the ghost interacting, how much power does it have? Can it take people over or anything useful like that?


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purplefood wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:

ImperialFists2ndCompany wrote:Also, if the Titan has a ghost imprint of it's former princeps. Than I feel that the Tau would not being to convert it to their cause due to the memories of the human living on inside of the Titan

Well, what are the mechanics of that element? Where is the ghost stored? Is it part of the computer, the engine? How irreducible is the titan as a unit? If you remove parts of a titan, does the ghost stay in the remaining part or do bits of the ghost go with the parts? In a lot of possible scenarios, they've removed a lot of the internals anyway, so if the ghost is in those then it's not as much of an issue. If the ghost haunts the frame, then there are questions of irreducibility.

Also, how much resistance can the ghost put up? Is it something the pilot would have to fight with willpower or is it more powerful? That might be an interesting bit of grimdark. The pilot has to do battle with the ghost constantly, but since he's tau, he doesn't really believe it's a ghost and is convinced it's just a security mechanism. Maybe the ethereal has to constantly babysit him to keep him from going out of control? Lots of interesting plot devices are potentially there.

It seems to be the kind of thing that can hide in any system of the titan...
It could hide away until a new pilot was plugged in and ambush them.
Gearheart is shown to be losing his mind ever so slowly, forgetting names and places to the machine despite having an iron will and knowing it was happening.
To a Tau it would either drive him insane even quicker (depending on willpower) or slower due to the ghost being the machine spirit mixed with the remnants of the human pilots. Alien thoughts are never pleasant, less so when they're in your head...

Yeah man, see, to me that doesn't say tau can't have a titan. To me that says tau can have a titan but only if you have an awesome story about a Shas'o being tortured to death by his own thoughts in there. That's great!

Problem is most Tau players want a titan which they can say is fully Greater Good rather than slowly going insane under the weight of several centuries of memories.
Most Imperials don't want the Tau players to have their titans anyway...
Personally i think that would be hilarious.

Yeah, a lot of tau players are afraid of darkening them up. I have absolutely no problem with it. I want them to have more dark secrets and bad intentions underneath the shiny facade. The mind control rumors are great because they add to sort of a creepy feeling you get about them. Stuff like this titan idea work right into that.


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Kaldor wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:Says everyone who argues with other adults.

Are you five years old? When you debate things with someone, you are expected to actually back up your arguments. Saying to read a book without specifying a passage or page number is just as helpful as saying "go back to school". It's simply not a reasonable argument.

I can't believe I have to explain this to adults.

Firstly, this is the internet, and I don't give a crap if you listen to me or not. Thats your problem.

Secondly, you aren't presenting an argument that needs to be refuted, you simply have no idea what you're talking about. If you want to debate from a position of ignorance, thats your choice.

See, we just had a full page of productive discussion about this and here you come again with this nonsense. Ignored.

I like this idea...
It is a good idea...
You could really make good use of it.

Personally, I would love to see the OP sell me that Warhound and use the money to do something grand and scratch build a Tau Titan and than we shall have them duke it out in a Megabattle.

Haha, well I don't foresee the above happening soooooo, I feel that he would have to write a small novel of the backstory for it haha, and reduce it's in game effictiveness and points, due to the modifications the Tau would have to make if they could find a Commander for it who is very un-Tau in his approach to warfare

Rented Tritium wrote:

ImperialFists2ndCompany wrote:You would have to remove the MIU, which would just make it a big hunk of metal, it's like giving it a lobotomy. And yes, sorry to quote Titanicus, but the ghosts can interract with the princeps.


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and the Titan, since somehow the princeps becomes one with the sentient core of the Titan

So if they removed the MIU, replaced it with a bunch of drones and other tau tech, you've basically got a zombified titan. How fethed up is that, amirite? And the tau would have no idea they had done something like that. The machine spirit and the ghost would be haunting a tau junkyard somewhere.

So I'm curious about the ghost interacting, how much power does it have? Can it take people over or anything useful like that?

The Ghosts don't appear to be fully sentient, but its debatable. Most likely the ghosts are simply the codified memories and personality of that Princeps and not actually his soul floating arround in there. Although, assuming its possable to download the program of sentience, it is quite possable that he would be practically lucid.

The personality of a Titan doesn't appear to be fully formed when it gets built, its more like the Titan attains its personality over time(by stealing the programming of their Princep's brains)

just my .02

Grey Templar wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:

ImperialFists2ndCompany wrote:You would have to remove the MIU, which would just make it a big hunk of metal, it's like giving it a lobotomy. And yes, sorry to quote Titanicus, but the ghosts can interract with the princeps.


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and the Titan, since somehow the princeps becomes one with the sentient core of the Titan

So if they removed the MIU, replaced it with a bunch of drones and other tau tech, you've basically got a zombified titan. How fethed up is that, amirite? And the tau would have no idea they had done something like that. The machine spirit and the ghost would be haunting a tau junkyard somewhere.

So I'm curious about the ghost interacting, how much power does it have? Can it take people over or anything useful like that?

The Ghosts don't appear to be fully sentient, but its debatable. Most likely the ghosts are simply the codified memories and personality of that Princeps and not actually his soul floating arround in there. Although, assuming its possable to download the program of sentience, it is quite possable that he would be practically lucid.

The personality of a Titan doesn't appear to be fully formed when it gets built, its more like the Titan attains its personality over time(by stealing the programming of their Princep's brains)

They are described in Titanicus as beast which fits IMO.
They also seem to inherit scraps of the pilots memories which seems to help and/ore hinder the current pilot...

I wonder how a Tau would respond to the completely foreign inner thoughts of Humanity... I feel that that would give them nightmares for the rest of their days haha.

ImperialFists2ndCompany wrote:I wonder what how a Tau would respond to the completely foreign inner thoughts of Humanity... I feel that that would give them nightmares for the rest of their days haha.

Like i said before, probably not well...
Though Tau have a wealth of restraint and willpower so he/she should be able to keep it together for a fair amount of time.

Ah, but could they hold it together under the stress of combat I wonder? It's almost wild how many if's and but's there are into just thinking about this.

ImperialFists2ndCompany wrote:Ah, but could they hold it together under the stress of combat I wonder? It's almost wild how many if's and but's there are into just thinking about this.

Probably...
I mean even if they couldn't it's still a good story right?

purplefood wrote:

ImperialFists2ndCompany wrote:Ah, but could they hold it together under the stress of combat I wonder? It's almost wild how many if's and but's there are into just thinking about this.

Probably...
I mean even if they couldn't it's still a good story right?

Exactly. They get the thing, they think it's going to be great. It works perfectly in field testing. Then as soon as the battle starts something is wrong and it goes berzerker.

I would buy that book.

Rented Tritium wrote:So if they removed the MIU, replaced it with a bunch of drones and other tau tech, you've basically got a zombified titan. How fethed up is that, amirite? And the tau would have no idea they had done something like that. The machine spirit and the ghost would be haunting a tau junkyard somewhere.

So I'm curious about the ghost interacting, how much power does it have? Can it take people over or anything useful like that?

So I had this image of this abandoned MIU in a Tau scrapheap, sitting in line to be recycled, when strange things start to happen. First off, everybody seems to forget when the chunks turn in the furnace comes up. Then, as time goes on, pieces of metal move from where they were placed.

Finally after much time has passed, the MIU managed to pull the junk around it into a titan sized body and proceeds to stomp nearby T'kyo flat.

Jefffar wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:So if they removed the MIU, replaced it with a bunch of drones and other tau tech, you've basically got a zombified titan. How fethed up is that, amirite? And the tau would have no idea they had done something like that. The machine spirit and the ghost would be haunting a tau junkyard somewhere.

So I'm curious about the ghost interacting, how much power does it have? Can it take people over or anything useful like that?

So I had this image of this abandoned MIU in a Tau scrapheap, sitting in line to be recycled, when strange things start to happen. First off, everybody seems to forget when the chunks turn in the furnace comes up. Then, as time goes on, pieces of metal move from where they were placed.

Finally after much time has passed, the MIU managed to pull the junk around it into a titan sized body and proceeds to stomp nearby T'kyo flat.

I love it. The parts would even be tau, you could see insignia on it and everything, but the overall shape and detail is that of a titan.

Kaldor wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:Says everyone who argues with other adults.

Are you five years old? When you debate things with someone, you are expected to actually back up your arguments. Saying to read a book without specifying a passage or page number is just as helpful as saying "go back to school". It's simply not a reasonable argument.

I can't believe I have to explain this to adults.

Firstly, this is the internet, and I don't give a crap if you listen to me or not. Thats your problem.

Secondly, you aren't presenting an argument that needs to be refuted, you simply have no idea what you're talking about. If you want to debate from a position of ignorance, thats your choice.

Providing sources for your claims has nothing to do with 'educating' people, it's to verify that you're not making stuff up on the spot. It's your prerogative to forgo doing that, but then it's our prerogative to say "this guy is making stuff up on the spot. If he knew what he was talking about, he'd provide sources." Then your credibility in future threads goes down the toilet.

Haven't you ever argued with a stubborn little kid? They blindly insist that they're right when they have nothing to base that on other than the desire to be right. It feels ridiculous even dignifying such exchanges with logical debate. You just roll your eyes and say "Okay whatever, kid."

<all this snarking about what constitutes an argument is a) off-topic; and b) not productive. If you can't talk to each other within the scope of the topic, then you don't need to talk to each other.>

Dakka has an excellent "Ignore" feature, too.

Jefffar wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:So if they removed the MIU, replaced it with a bunch of drones and other tau tech, you've basically got a zombified titan. How fethed up is that, amirite? And the tau would have no idea they had done something like that. The machine spirit and the ghost would be haunting a tau junkyard somewhere.

So I'm curious about the ghost interacting, how much power does it have? Can it take people over or anything useful like that?

So I had this image of this abandoned MIU in a Tau scrapheap, sitting in line to be recycled, when strange things start to happen. First off, everybody seems to forget when the chunks turn in the furnace comes up. Then, as time goes on, pieces of metal move from where they were placed.

Finally after much time has passed, the MIU managed to pull the junk around it into a titan sized body and proceeds to stomp nearby T'kyo flat.

It's like the Iron Giant!
Oh damn... it is the Iron Giant.

One has to wonder if the Tau would even want to have something as stupid as impractical as a huge, bipedal walker. Of course, on the other hand they designed the Hammerhead ( yo dawg, let's put a huge gun on our IFV and call it a tank /o\ ) so practicality might not be a prime factor for them when it comes to designing military vehicles.

spireland wrote:This thread is reaching Star Trek vs Star Wars levels.

Besides, who cares,do what you want and let the fluff freaks brains explode.

this thought pleases me to no end

purplefood wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:

Because some of us like to work our ideas into fluff. I hate this idea that you have to either be a completely 100% ridid fluff freak or you have to ignore fluff altogether. There's a fantastic range of hypothetical happenings that can fit within fluff if you aren't insane about it.

True but there are something which you have to compromise on...
A Tau super-heavy is easily feasible. But just getting a Warhound and saying the Tau stole it is lazy...
Frankly Tau could probably make some pretty cool super-heavies...

It's only lazy if you do it in a lazy way. That's the nature of writing.

True but there are easier and IMO better alternatives.
If you really want a Tau Warhound (as in they own it and it isn't just part of a joint strikeforce, though that is a great idea) it would take some working...
IMO it's simpler to go a different route...

my problem is my scratch built modeling skill is, at best, non-existant

ImperialFists2ndCompany wrote:I'd like to see a Tau Titan made to look like a very large crisis suit, although with heavier armour.

As for the tau making their own, while it wouldn't fit their style by default, one could construct a long drawn out war on a profoundly rocky planet that might necessitate walking tanks over hovertanks, but knowing the tau, I'm imagining something more like a 4 legged orca, but it's not outside of the reasonable that they'd at the very least prototype a big 2 legged walker to see if it's worth developing. Then, said prototype gets caught on the front and voila!

see previous not, also, my warhound has jet packs problem of mortka solved



also everybody is neglecting my previous suggestion/idea of, oh hey, the machine spirit/ai/whatever you want already cause it to asplode, thus it was found half buried in the earth in several peices and rebuilt using reverse engineering where possible and tau scratch built when nessisary... it looks like a warhound but it's entirely a tau fuction...
it also has jet packs coz i'm just cool like that!


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KingDeath wrote:One has to wonder if the Tau would even want to have something as stupid as impractical as a huge, bipedal walker. Of course, on the other hand they designed the Hammerhead ( yo dawg, let's put a huge gun on our IFV and call it a tank /o\ ) so practicality might not be a prime factor for them when it comes to designing military vehicles.

90% of their army is comprised of mechs which imp aren't scaled properly , i mean, comparatively how can a fire warrior fit in an xv8- battle suit? unless he's assuming the fetal position inside it, even then the controls would be difficult due to being so cramped, personally scale them up a tiny bit would be more practical, and fit better with the artwork, i mean in all the artwork i've seen the warriors only reach up to the suits knees/hips at best, which mean that a battle suit is 3-4 times bitter then a fire warrior, as opose to the 2x bigger portrayed by the models D:
anyway, i digress

why can't the tau have a warhound sized battle suit? take existing suit technology and scale it up to warhound size, no problem in that at all >.>; it's entirely possible, and i mean, why can't mortka or umm.. i forget the other one, be scaled up aswell, instead of fire warriors taking on space marines, it's titan suits taking on warhounds >.> same principle just up scaled

the biggest factors here are #1, my scratch built modelling powers (as previously mentioned ) and #2 i like the look of the warhound and wana practice my modifying by converting it into a more tauish design...
honestly this whole thread should be more of a "ways that the tau can make a warhound sized battle suit and why it would/wouldn't work"

homsikpanda wrote:
why can't the tau have a warhound sized battle suit? take existing suit technology and scale it up to warhound size, no problem in that at all >.>; it's entirely possible, and i mean, why can't mortka or umm.. i forget the other one, be scaled up aswell, instead of fire warriors taking on space marines, it's titan suits taking on warhounds >.> same principle just up scaled

Simply up-scaling something isn't that simple. Would a Tau version of a Titan be as effective as an Imperial, Eldar or Ork equivalent? It's highly unlikely. They're also going to be more difficult to move around (i.e. a large, vulnerable transport ship will have to land). The Tau haven't really designed for that kind of philosophy.

As for reassembling an Imperial Titan, again, they're not going to be able to make it as effective even if they get around the Machine Spirit. Further, should your personal background progress, you'd need to account for the wrath of the Mechanicus falling on you. The Tau are unlikely to see a single copy of a Titan worth a war with the Imperium.

Sure, you can do it. But it's not the sort of thing that will work out for the Tau.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:As for reassembling an Imperial Titan, again, they're not going to be able to make it as effective even if they get around the Machine Spirit. Further, should your personal background progress, you'd need to account for the wrath of the Mechanicus falling on you. The Tau are unlikely to see a single copy of a Titan worth a war with the Imperium.

Now you're tying the ability to field a unit to several layers deep political machinations. Just say the mechanicus doesn't know yet. Problem solved. If it was scavenged from parts of a titan listed as destroyed, they'd never have any idea until they faced it in battle later. Just say every time you fight with it is the first time it got used. The mechanicus' revenge is something happening at a later date which 40k never actually reaches.

Would the mechanicus eventually find out and come after them? Maybe. Would it be a bad idea to do it because of that possibility? Maybe. Would the tau leadership make a decision based on that information? Maybe.

But again, now you are knees deep in politics trying to counter-justify someone fielding a titan. That's kind of outrageous.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

homsikpanda wrote:
why can't the tau have a warhound sized battle suit? take existing suit technology and scale it up to warhound size, no problem in that at all >.>; it's entirely possible, and i mean, why can't mortka or umm.. i forget the other one, be scaled up aswell, instead of fire warriors taking on space marines, it's titan suits taking on warhounds >.> same principle just up scaled

Simply up-scaling something isn't that simple. Would a Tau version of a Titan be as effective as an Imperial, Eldar or Ork equivalent? It's highly unlikely. They're also going to be more difficult to move around (i.e. a large, vulnerable transport ship will have to land). The Tau haven't really designed for that kind of philosophy.

As for reassembling an Imperial Titan, again, they're not going to be able to make it as effective even if they get around the Machine Spirit. Further, should your personal background progress, you'd need to account for the wrath of the Mechanicus falling on you. The Tau are unlikely to see a single copy of a Titan worth a war with the Imperium.

Sure, you can do it. But it's not the sort of thing that will work out for the Tau.

well they have the manta, it's a large, vulnerable transport ship that has to land, and i mean... it can take on titans no problem >.>;

plus why can't the tau upscale an xv80 crisis battle suit to the size of a titan? it'd be all the same technology just again, upsized... instead of having a broadside sized rail gun, it has a manta sized rail gun, instead of having a missile pod, it has a missile pod that shoots seeker missile sized missiles, etc etc etc
i mean, if the orks can cobble together a titan out of scrap metal, why can't the tau, who are the masters of mechs, design a really large mech? sure it doesn't entirely fit their style, they appear to prefer air-craft for battle titans, but you know, why not have a really large xv8- suit? they're coming out with new suit proto-types all the time (i.e. xv22 ) so...
they find scattered rermains of a titan, warhound, ork stompa, revreant etc etc use it's technology to make a tau titan of same size, and then use it on a small scale testing purposes (again i.e. xv22) until they feel it's been field tested enough and go full scale production and they start popping up more and more in apoc battles... it'd operate like a xv8- battle suit, so 12 inches in movement phase and 12 inches in assault phase even if it doesn't assault (it has a titan sized jetpack ) and has all the same equipment choices only scaled up like i previously explained.
it'd also not have shields unless taken from the equipment select, and it'd only have 1 shield per shield generator.
compare it like this, walkers v.s. xv80 battle suit
dreadnaught/deff dread/wraithlord v.s. xv8 crisis suit only if they were the size of titans...i.e. warhound = titansized dreadnaught, stompa = titan sized deff dread , etc etc

If it really bothers you, you can give it 4 legs and a sturdier looking frame.

Rented Tritium wrote:If it really bothers you, you can give it 4 legs and a sturdier looking frame.

Something like this:



or this:


or this:

agnosto wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:If it really bothers you, you can give it 4 legs and a sturdier looking frame.

Something like this:



or this:


or this:

ick =/
i prefer 2 legged with a jet pack
and again, scratch building isn't my forte