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Just say that some renegade Titan crew work for the tau. The titan was an ill treated, old model that rarely saw the battlefield or a spot of oil. So when the tau gave it a little tune up, it was delighted.

Hmmmm maybe it could be a regiment+Titan legion that defected to the Greater good I could see a Titan reverse engineered by the Tau using Broadside cannons only heavier as a weapon and possible ports for gun drones I for one like this idea the hobby after all is all about ideas and new ones for modelling I am going to have craftworld pirates in my DE army as the codex has hinted at a friendship or alliance of convience between Cammoragh and the Craftworlds especially freelancers.

So why cant the Tau have a Titan? with improved interface negate the machine spirit as that wouldnt be easily subdued and if it was the Tau would have a formidable war machine so Im all game and open to this concept if we were all rigid with our ideals Chaos Space Marines wouldnt take Baneblades and Orks wouldnt take looted battlewagons and Genestealer cults wouldnt have access to Imperial Technology.... So the possibilities are quite endless I for one would also like to see Necron Assimilated technology..

To the poster good idea keep it up.

Hyperstone Maze of Inquisitor Valeria. And the Tesserect Labourynthes of the HK fluff.

ArchaonSon wrote:
So why cant the Tau have a Titan? with improved interface negate the machine spirit as that wouldnt be easily subdued and if it was the Tau would have a formidable war machine so Im all game and open to this concept if we were all rigid with our ideals Chaos Space Marines wouldnt take Baneblades and Orks wouldnt take looted battlewagons and Genestealer cults wouldnt have access to Imperial Technology.... So the possibilities are quite endless I for one would also like to see Necron Assimilated technology..

Chaos Space Marines don't have Baneblades, the Lost and the Damned do. Orks looting stuff is part of their fundamental fluff, as is Genestealer cults infiltrating the Imperium, and the Tau not having any friggin' Titans. I'm not opposed to anyone fielding a Titan; it's a sweet-ass model. But please, for the love of all that is holy, don't try to justify it with "oh they just circumvented the Machine Spirit and now it works just fine". Titans also aren't neglected, ever. They're Avatars of the Machine God for the Mechanicus, they're venerated beyond belief.

Sorry if I'm coming across as an ass, but I truly believe it to be a, for lack of a better word, stupid idea to try to justify the Tau having a Warhound of their own. It makes no sense and makes Baby Jesus cry.

I consider all machine spirit nonsense to be superstition and propoganda in-universe, so I would have no problem with a tau titan.

I would either make it a Gue'vesa warhound piloted by humans or I would replace all the exhaust with ports that look more tau and say it was refitted with a tau engine for battle testing purposes and got caught near a battle and joined.

Rented Tritium wrote:I consider all machine spirit nonsense to be superstition and propoganda in-universe, so I would have no problem with a tau titan.

You're perfectly entitled to your own opinion, but you're rewriting the fluff. For an example of the kind of Machine Spirit that's in a Titan, I reccomend the novel Helsreach.

For an example of how they work outside titans, read the Land Raider entry in any marine codex and the Stormraven in GK codex.

Grey Templar wrote:yup, its alltogether inconcevable.

to late, i tried it, it worked, i won the game so i'm a happyish panda n.n

still need to paint/ figure out the internals for visual purposes but personally i'm not worried about the fluff, i can make my own fluff that, technicly is canon for my own faction.. (i'm using my own faction that i've already created some fluff for anyway)
plus my gaming buddies, like i stated earlyer, aren't worried about fluff, or consistency aslong as it follows the general gameplay rules i.e. not having a group of orcs commanded by an inquisitor and behaving like eldar >.>....
having orcs commanded by an inquisitor is fine aslong as they act like orcs...they were captured/brainwashed orcs that the inquisitor is commanding thru terror tactics only, that works... or like the example given in the apocalypse book, a group of orcs unloading carinefexs from their cages and letting the fexs run rampant (of course from the controller pov the controller is having them attack the enemys of the orcs while still following the carinfex rules, so he's using an orc army with a few carinfexs tossed in for flavor, but for story telling, they're captured fexs the orcs unleashed onto an unsuspecting enemy! ) really, aslong as you have fun, anything goes >.> rules are in place to give structure only, can be bent/broke aslong as both parties agree, and both parties have fun

anyway, it worked for me and my gaming friends, that's all i needed it...anything else you guys are arguing about don't really concern me, >.>
but feel free to discuss / argue it among yourselves it it makes you happy n.n
-grabs popcorn-

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:I consider all machine spirit nonsense to be superstition and propoganda in-universe, so I would have no problem with a tau titan.

You're perfectly entitled to your own opinion, but you're rewriting the fluff. For an example of the kind of Machine Spirit that's in a Titan, I reccomend the novel Helsreach.

99% of 40k fluff is not word of god. It's written from in-universe perspectives. Basically nothing about the imperium is credible as written.

Rented Tritium wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:I consider all machine spirit nonsense to be superstition and propoganda in-universe, so I would have no problem with a tau titan.

You're perfectly entitled to your own opinion, but you're rewriting the fluff. For an example of the kind of Machine Spirit that's in a Titan, I reccomend the novel Helsreach.

99% of 40k fluff is not word of god. It's written from in-universe perspectives. Basically nothing about the imperium is credible as written.

OH OH OH OH !! in my "in-universe" fluff, there's a planet in the exact center of the universe inhabited by all powerful but docile pandas who act like normal regular pandas and, don't even really have a housing system let alone space travel (they could if they wanted to, they just don't want to as they are content to live like normal every day earth pandas )

Perfectly acceptable. The only race we meet outside the galaxy ate Nids and they don't talk. Perfectly reasonable.

Rented Tritium wrote: Basically nothing about the imperium is credible as written.

maybe the opinionated bits are, but the results are NOT up for debate.

Titans are practically sentient. They are literally avatars of the Machine God. For this reason alone there will never be a neglected Titan.

This is FACT as demonstrated by descriptions of the actions performed by smaller examples of Machine Spirits. Landraiders taking out entire ork warbands by themselves illustrates their power. It is also fact that the Machine Spirits of Titans are much more powerful.


Titans are for all intents and purposes intellegent entities. They would react with utter revilation at the touch of Xenos meddling. The Machine Spirit would likely detonate the reactor.



Ignore this all you want, and its perfectly in your right to do so, but remember that it will NOT be liked by the majority of people. hence you should not get all defensive when it is rightly criticised.

Rented Tritium wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:I consider all machine spirit nonsense to be superstition and propoganda in-universe, so I would have no problem with a tau titan.

You're perfectly entitled to your own opinion, but you're rewriting the fluff. For an example of the kind of Machine Spirit that's in a Titan, I reccomend the novel Helsreach.

99% of 40k fluff is not word of god. It's written from in-universe perspectives. Basically nothing about the imperium is credible as written.

The thoughts of an individual Princeps as she grapples with the Machine Spirit for control, while written from an "in-universe perspective", is also written as something adressing the reader directly, to convey the point that the Titan is more or less sentient. It's not some random AdMech person trying to convince anyone that Titans are sentient, it's the Titan directly interacting with it's Princeps.

Grey Templar wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote: Basically nothing about the imperium is credible as written.

maybe the opinionated bits are, but the results are NOT up for debate.

I think they are

Titans are practically sentient. They are literally avatars of the Machine God. For this reason alone there will never be a neglected Titan.

You are supposing to know the behavior of every single human in the universe. You don't know that people would always behave in a certain way.

This is FACT as demonstrated by descriptions of the actions performed by smaller examples of Machine Spirits. Landraiders taking out entire ork warbands by themselves illustrates their power. It is also fact that the Machine Spirits of Titans are much more powerful.

Landraiders taking out a bunch of orks doesn't mean they're protected by a god. You are referring to beliefs held by in-universe individuals. These things are not verified by an omniscient narrator to my liking.

Titans are for all intents and purposes intellegent entities. They would react with utter revilation at the touch of Xenos meddling. The Machine Spirit would likely detonate the reactor.

Do you know what the word "likely" means? It doesn't mean "literally every single time". Hope this helps.

Ignore this all you want, and its perfectly in your right to do so, but remember that it will NOT be liked by the majority of people. hence you should not get all defensive when it is rightly criticised.

Go back and read my posts before this one. I didn't "get all" anything until you made this post.


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AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:I consider all machine spirit nonsense to be superstition and propoganda in-universe, so I would have no problem with a tau titan.

You're perfectly entitled to your own opinion, but you're rewriting the fluff. For an example of the kind of Machine Spirit that's in a Titan, I reccomend the novel Helsreach.

99% of 40k fluff is not word of god. It's written from in-universe perspectives. Basically nothing about the imperium is credible as written.

The thoughts of an individual Princeps as she grapples with the Machine Spirit for control, while written from an "in-universe perspective", is also written as something adressing the reader directly, to convey the point that the Titan is more or less sentient. It's not some random AdMech person trying to convince anyone that Titans are sentient, it's the Titan directly interacting with it's Princeps.

I grapple with my car on an icy road, is it sentient? Would it resist anyone else trying to drive it?

Not good enough. A person grappling for control over a machine does not equate to "That machine would asplode if a tau got in it" in the least.

Rented Tritium wrote:
I grapple with my car on an icy road, is it sentient? Would it resist anyone else trying to drive it?

Not good enough. A person grappling for control over a machine does not equate to "That machine would asplode if a tau got in it" in the least.

Suppose your car mentally attacked you, trying to absorb your mind into it?

Rented Tritium wrote:
Landraiders taking out a bunch of orks doesn't mean they're protected by a god. You are referring to beliefs held by in-universe individuals. These things are not verified by an omniscient narrator to my liking.

No, it doesn't. However, it DOES mean that they are capable of independent action, self-direction and forward planning; which means they're sentient, or at least have an animal level of intelligence. Whatever a machine spirit is, then (and we DON'T know that), we know that it does exist, and it can be reasonably called 'intelligent' in a Land Raider; and we also know that the machine spirit of a Titan is much, much more powerful and intelligent. Given that, the fact that it requires people with unusually strong willpower to direct a Titan, and given that the fluff on the matter consistently portrays them as intelligent individuals, it's reasonable to conclude that a Titan is sentient or close to it.

It's also reasonable to conclude that a Titan has no intelligence whatsoever, that what the techpriests call a machine spirit is actually a sophisticatedly-programmed computer with a complicated decision tree that can almost replicate human decision-making processes, and that the difficulty in 'controlling' a Titan is due to errors in the interface between brainwaves and computer commands, which can be minimized by brains with a certain pattern of mutation that is ALSO associated with strong willpower, purely by coincidence. We don't KNOW anything that contradicts this idea. I just prefer the first one because it's more grimdark.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:
I grapple with my car on an icy road, is it sentient? Would it resist anyone else trying to drive it?

Not good enough. A person grappling for control over a machine does not equate to "That machine would asplode if a tau got in it" in the least.

Suppose your car mentally attacked you, trying to absorb your mind into it?

Something could happen that looks like that, but there are still questions.

First is that what's being described there doesn't speak at all to the intelligence level of the machine or its godhood.

Second is that nothing there indicates that the machine cares who is piloting it.

All I can actually determine as canon from that is that titans react to pilots in some way. Could be plain old re-programmable AI, could be a spirit that doesn't know humans from tau, could be basically anything.


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BeRzErKeR wrote: I just prefer the first one because it's more grimdark.

Best point anyone's made in this thread so far. You're definitely right there.

So to be productive for the thread, how do we go about giving the tau a titan while still retaining that? If we assume the titan is indeed some giant god trapped in there, we have to assume it can read minds and really understand intentions. If that's the case, we can either say that the machine spirit was replaced by a chaos god who has decided it will be hilarious if he makes it join the tau for some *fill in chaos plot here* or we can say that the pilots are being mind controlled by ethereal and believe that they are actually helping the imperium and the machine spirit believes them.


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We could also say that it's not a real titan at all, but a dummy titan the tau built for training purposes that got pulled into a battle by chance.

Rented Tritium wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote: Basically nothing about the imperium is credible as written.

maybe the opinionated bits are, but the results are NOT up for debate.

I think they are

The physical facts arn't up for debate(Machine Spirit=a self-controlling machine that can "sort of" think for itself. What is written about what happened isn't up for debate. The why it happend is, but this is not.

Titans are practically sentient. They are literally avatars of the Machine God. For this reason alone there will never be a neglected Titan.

You are supposing to know the behavior of every single human in the universe. You don't know that people would always behave in a certain way.

The Ad Mech worships Titans. Titans are only going to be parted from the Ad Mech in the case of a Legion being destroyed. Members of the Ad Mech will NEVER neglect a titan, and they will never abandon one unless they have no choice.

The Ad Mech isn't going to act different in one section of the Galaxy from another in this instance. Their behavior is set in stone at this point.

This is FACT as demonstrated by descriptions of the actions performed by smaller examples of Machine Spirits. Landraiders taking out entire ork warbands by themselves illustrates their power. It is also fact that the Machine Spirits of Titans are much more powerful.

Landraiders taking out a bunch of orks doesn't mean they're protected by a god. You are referring to beliefs held by in-universe individuals. These things are not verified by an omniscient narrator to my liking.

You are misreading what I said here. The god part is up for debate, but the actions of the machines isn't. And my point was to proove that a Titan would be more then capable of resisting the Tau attempts to interface with it, not that the machine spirit is actually a god.

Titans are for all intents and purposes intellegent entities. They would react with utter revilation at the touch of Xenos meddling. The Machine Spirit would likely detonate the reactor.

Do you know what the word "likely" means? It doesn't mean "literally every single time". Hope this helps.

And faillable statements can be made by anyone. Likely just means there is the possability of it not happening and a possability of it happening. Specifically, the Titan would detonate the reactor 99.999999999% of the Time.

Then we have the Issue that the Tau Empire has, as a whole, faced only a few Warhounds and a single Reaver titan. and only 1 warhound was destroyed during this engagement when the Tau jury rigged something specifically to kill it.

Ignore this all you want, and its perfectly in your right to do so, but remember that it will NOT be liked by the majority of people. hence you should not get all defensive when it is rightly criticised.

Go back and read my posts before this one. I didn't "get all" anything until you made this post.

That bit wasn't directed at you. More at the OP.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:I consider all machine spirit nonsense to be superstition and propoganda in-universe, so I would have no problem with a tau titan.

You're perfectly entitled to your own opinion, but you're rewriting the fluff. For an example of the kind of Machine Spirit that's in a Titan, I reccomend the novel Helsreach.

99% of 40k fluff is not word of god. It's written from in-universe perspectives. Basically nothing about the imperium is credible as written.

The thoughts of an individual Princeps as she grapples with the Machine Spirit for control, while written from an "in-universe perspective", is also written as something adressing the reader directly, to convey the point that the Titan is more or less sentient. It's not some random AdMech person trying to convince anyone that Titans are sentient, it's the Titan directly interacting with it's Princeps.

I grapple with my car on an icy road, is it sentient? Would it resist anyone else trying to drive it?

Not good enough.

Grey Templar wrote: Their behavior is set in stone at this point.

I want to introduce you to this really interesting concept.

Humans are not robots. Their behavior is absolutely not set in stone. The admechs are people. Human beings with human brains. To say that an entire group of people that large would "never" do anything is pretty insane.

And faillable statements can be made by anyone. Likely just means there is the possability of it not happening and a possability of it happening. Specifically, the Titan would detonate the reactor 99.999999999% of the Time.

So the OP's titan is the .00000000001%. Problem solved.

Then we have the Issue that the Tau Empire has, as a whole, faced only a few Warhounds and a single Reaver titan. and only 1 warhound was destroyed during this engagement when the Tau jury rigged something specifically to kill it.

Just because the tau have been specifically mentioned to have fought so few doesn't mean they have only fought that few.

Try it like this.

Suppose your car was designed with a mind scanner. It will resist those without a specific set of specifications, such as height and weight and blood type.

You need to be between 5'6" and 6'6"

You need to be within 14 stone and 18 stone

You need to be Type AB+.



Now let's say you met 2 of those. Car resists, but not much. Let's say person B is AB+ but is only 4'1" and 12 stone. Gets Harder right?

Now let's say you met nothing above. It is quite hard now.

Now let's say it is a remote control car and someone is going let while you need to go right. Really hard.





Now, if you want to stop but the car disables the breaks, stabs you with pointy objects and turns off the engine, try driving it now!!!

The Ad Mechs policies and reverence is set in stone. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not seeing the same universe.

I'm done discussing that point because its clearly pointless.



It is true that this does go against the grain of established fluff and people will not like it. So it should be kept in the dark with all the Femarines, Furries, Eldar halfbreeds, and the Squats.

Rented Tritium wrote:

Best point anyone's made in this thread so far. You're definitely right there.

So to be productive for the thread, how do we go about giving the tau a titan while still retaining that? If we assume the titan is indeed some giant god trapped in there, we have to assume it can read minds and really understand intentions. If that's the case, we can either say that the machine spirit was replaced by a chaos god who has decided it will be hilarious if he makes it join the tau for some *fill in chaos plot here* or we can say that the pilots are being mind controlled by ethereal and believe that they are actually helping the imperium and the machine spirit believes them.


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We could also say that it's not a real titan at all, but a dummy titan the tau built for training purposes that got pulled into a battle by chance.

No need to assume it's a god; it's just some horrifying conglomeration of lobotomized brains and machine-parts that's been brainwashed into THINKING it's a god. Even the AdMech don't assert that the Omnissiah literally powers each Titan; the Titans are supposed to be avatars or effigies of the Omnissiah. Like Gargants are effigies of Gork (or possibly Mork) for the Orks.

We do know Titans can be corrupted by Chaos, since the Dark Mechanicus had at least half of the Titan Legions on their side during the Horus Heresy. That's done via "scrapcode", which is machine code that's been infused with Chaos and turned into something sorcerous and Warp-tainted; possibly not appropriate here, since it drives the machine spirits mad.

Now, if the Titan was shut down or crippled by battle-damage, I would imagine the Tau could simply remove the machine spirit before refitting the Titan; that was what I suggested before as being the easiest way to deal with the fluff issues. If you wanted to keep it intact for the purpose of army background or something, though, there are a few ways to do it;

1) A Titan Princeps, having somehow become disillusioned with the Cult Mechanicus, convinced his Titan that it had been lied to all these years, stole a bulk transport (AdMech ships are largely automated and run by servitors that will probably obey any Techpriest) and fled with his Titan. That, of course, means that the AdMech will be moving heaven and earth to get him back.

2) Battle damage damaged the machine spirit's memory banks, essentially giving it amnesia; the Tau taught it their drone communication codes (without realizing what they were doing, likely) and indoctrinated it into Tau philosophy before bringing it back to full functionality; as a consequence, it cooperates fully with the instructions given by its commander, for the Greater Good. The Tau may not even realize the Titan HAS a machine spirit.

3) After finding and repairing a destroyed Titan, the Tau attempted to pilot it and found that any Tau who linked in died in convulsions. They, therefore, turned it over to the Gue'vesa, who after many years of periodic attempts (and horrible failures) found someone who could survive when connected to the machine spirit. A long period of persuasion, coached by a crafty Ethereal, convinced the machine spirit that the AdMech had betrayed it, and it joined the Tau to wreak vengeance on its creators.

Deadshot wrote:Try it like this.

Suppose your car was designed with a mind scanner. It will resist those without a specific set of specifications, such as height and weight and blood type.

You need to be between 5'6" and 6'6"

You need to be within 14 stone and 18 stone

You need to be Type AB+.



Now let's say you met 2 of those. Car resists, but not much. Let's say person B is AB+ but is only 4'1" and 12 stone. Gets Harder right?

Now let's say you met nothing above. It is quite hard now.

Now let's say it is a remote control car and someone is going let while you need to go right. Really hard.





Now, if you want to stop but the car disables the breaks, stabs you with pointy objects and turns off the engine, try driving it now!!!

That's really interesting but irrelevant since none of that is canon for a titan.

Those are just how you SUPPOSE a titan works.


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BeRzErKeR wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:

Best point anyone's made in this thread so far. You're definitely right there.

So to be productive for the thread, how do we go about giving the tau a titan while still retaining that? If we assume the titan is indeed some giant god trapped in there, we have to assume it can read minds and really understand intentions. If that's the case, we can either say that the machine spirit was replaced by a chaos god who has decided it will be hilarious if he makes it join the tau for some *fill in chaos plot here* or we can say that the pilots are being mind controlled by ethereal and believe that they are actually helping the imperium and the machine spirit believes them.


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We could also say that it's not a real titan at all, but a dummy titan the tau built for training purposes that got pulled into a battle by chance.

No need to assume it's a god; it's just some horrifying conglomeration of lobotomized brains and machine-parts that's been brainwashed into THINKING it's a god. Even the AdMech don't assert that the Omnissiah literally powers each Titan; the Titans are supposed to be avatars or effigies of the Omnissiah. Like Gargants are effigies of Gork (or possibly Mork) for the Orks.

We do know Titans can be corrupted by Chaos, since the Dark Mechanicus had at least half of the Titan Legions on their side during the Horus Heresy. That's done via "scrapcode", which is machine code that's been infused with Chaos and turned into something sorcerous and Warp-tainted; possibly not appropriate here, since it drives the machine spirits mad.

Now, if the Titan was shut down or crippled by battle-damage, I would imagine the Tau could simply remove the machine spirit before refitting the Titan; that was what I suggested before as being the easiest way to deal with the fluff issues. If you wanted to keep it intact for the purpose of army background or something, though, there are a few ways to do it;

1) A Titan Princeps, having somehow become disillusioned with the Cult Mechanicus, convinced his Titan that it had been lied to all these years, stole a bulk transport (AdMech ships are largely automated and run by servitors that will probably obey any Techpriest) and fled with his Titan. That, of course, means that the AdMech will be moving heaven and earth to get him back.

2) Battle damage damaged the machine spirit's memory banks, essentially giving it amnesia; the Tau taught it their drone communication codes (without realizing what they were doing, likely) and indoctrinated it into Tau philosophy before bringing it back to full functionality; as a consequence, it cooperates fully with the instructions given by its commander, for the Greater Good. The Tau may not even realize the Titan HAS a machine spirit.

3) After finding and repairing a destroyed Titan, the Tau attempted to pilot it and found that any Tau who linked in died in convulsions. They, therefore, turned it over to the Gue'vesa, who after many years of periodic attempts (and horrible failures) found someone who could survive when connected to the machine spirit. A long period of persuasion, coached by a crafty Ethereal, convinced the machine spirit that the AdMech had betrayed it, and it joined the Tau to wreak vengeance on its creators.

I like all three of those! Good work.

The second one is great because it could still be tainted by chaos and turn on the tau and they would have no idea why!

My last comment was metaphorical.

Grey Templar wrote:The Ad Mechs policies and reverence is set in stone. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not seeing the same universe.

Right, because people never ever break the rules or policy.

I'm done discussing that point because its clearly pointless.

I agree that it's pointless, but not about why.

It is true that this does go against the grain of established fluff and people will not like it. So it should be kept in the dark with all the Femarines, Furries, Eldar halfbreeds, and the Squats.

In the dark with those unclean opinions. People like you are why I don't like posting about fluff.

If Tau ever make anything like a Warhound titan, it will have one pilot. Some lucky Shas'O. Then 50 years later, all Firewarriors will be piloting one.

Rented Tritium wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:The Ad Mechs policies and reverence is set in stone. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not seeing the same universe.

Right, because people never ever break the rules or policy.

I'm done discussing that point because its clearly pointless.

I agree that it's pointless, but not about why.

It is true that this does go against the grain of established fluff and people will not like it. So it should be kept in the dark with all the Femarines, Furries, Eldar halfbreeds, and the Squats.

In the dark with those unclean opinions. People like you are why I don't like posting about fluff.

People who break policy in 40k get shot. Thats why it doesn't get broken.

You don't like posting about fluff because you get told your wrong? Then i think you are in the wrong universe. You write 40k fluff, you don't contradict the parts that can't be changed. This is exactly that.

Grey Templar wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:The Ad Mechs policies and reverence is set in stone. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not seeing the same universe.

Right, because people never ever break the rules or policy.

I'm done discussing that point because its clearly pointless.

I agree that it's pointless, but not about why.

It is true that this does go against the grain of established fluff and people will not like it. So it should be kept in the dark with all the Femarines, Furries, Eldar halfbreeds, and the Squats.

In the dark with those unclean opinions. People like you are why I don't like posting about fluff.

People who break policy in 40k get shot. Thats why it doesn't get broken.

You don't like posting about fluff because you get told your wrong? Then i think you are in the wrong universe. You write 40k fluff, you don't contradict the parts that can't be changed. This is exactly that.

You're suggesting that a group with MILLIONS of members will always act in a singular monolithic way and that nobody will ever once break the rules without getting punished and I'm the one who's "wrong"?

No, that's flat out pants on head stupid. That is not how human beings work. You have drank the imperial kool-aid on this one. If that's the way we're going, then this really is the worst written universe in the history of fiction.

If ad-mechs always act in one way, explain chaos warhounds in a way that doesn't destroy your argument.

Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:if its a Tau refurbished Warhound, just call it a Kroothound.

I approve of this idea.

To the Op: Please don't ruin a beautiful FW model with a silly conversion. Tau titans are better made of Eldar grav tanks and Tau vehicle parts, I've seen them.

As for Rented Tritium...

Are you trying to troll this?

You seem to have no knowledge about machine spirits or titans.

Read Titanicus. It will help you to understand that you have been completely wrong this entire thread.