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Cant wait, cant wait, cant wait....

Gonna start me an army of spikey boyz. Might even put those robed gitz to use and start an army of them too if only for Deathwing and ravenwing lists. Like CT Gamer im kinda hoping to pick up and tonne of cultists for cheaps.


Edit: To that effect i wonder if the DA tac squad are gonna be robed?

Typically it's only sergeants and up that wear robes. Average tactical marines don't.

Im really excited actually. I might pick it up just to teach my little brothers the game, or if the model + terain boxes are real, start up my second army in the form of chaos or mixed DA.

-Loki- wrote:

Claimh_Solais wrote:Yeah I hoped for more interesting units for the loyalist sida

as a marine player myself I dont see why I would want more taq marines and capitans

You know it's not aimed at people with an established army right? It's a starter set. It's meant for another target audience.

Hint - the clue is in starter set somewhere.

Yes of course i know that ...please
but the new players are only a small part of people how buy the box

And as a new player you can play/start a army just as easy with more exiting units then taq squads and capitans in PA

Chaplains ans scouts will serv that purpes just as good but be more exiting then the same old taq marines

(but yeah I will wait and see the modells first go get a real opinion on them ...but I fear its the same marines as in BR)

No, most of the people who buy the box are new players. You're mistaking people who buy when it comes out with people who buy over a the entirety of the edition.

Yup, it's entirely intended for new players to get two small armies. People buying them to bolster an existing army are an afterthought.

And it's not really meant to be "exciting" units. 99% of marine players, at some point, will need a tactical squad, a captain and some terminators.

99% of marine players, at some point, will need a tactical squad, a captain and some terminators.

I had three Space Marine armies in 5th edition and I literally never used any of what you just mentioned.

Cerebrium wrote:And it's not really meant to be "exciting" units. 99% of marine players, at some point, will need a tactical squad, a captain and some terminators.

This is key here as well. It's not meant to be exciting units, it's meant to cover a large amount of different units. And that's what this does.

It covers bikes, light infantry (Cultists), medium infantry (Space Marines), heavy infantry (Terminators), elite infantry (Chosen), heroes, psychic powers (librarian) and vehicles (dreadnought).

That's all it does. It's something for two people to buy and learn as much of the game as possible with that purchase.

I'm just hoping GW doesn't pull something like they did with the Ork kopters... It'll be annoying IF this is the only way to get cultists.

Therion wrote:

99% of marine players, at some point, will need a tactical squad, a captain and some terminators.

I had three Space Marine armies in 5th edition and I literally never used any of what you just mentioned.

Then you're the 1%. Congrats. Again, 99% of marine players will need these.

aka_mythos wrote:I'm just hoping GW doesn't pull something like they did with the Ork kopters... It'll be annoying IF this is the only way to get cultists.

Nah, with those kind of numbers, I'd expect Cultists are getting their own kit.

Cerebrium wrote:
Then you're the 1%. Congrats. Again, 99% of marine players will need these.

If I was being unclear, I disagree with you. Competitive players will rarely or never need any of those and believe it or not more than 1% of the player base care what they have in their army list. Everything in that package blows. That said it's still a good box for two new people just starting the game, while also being good for advanced hobbyists who will just splice and dice everything into bits and convert something useful out of them.

Cerebrium wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:I'm just hoping GW doesn't pull something like they did with the Ork kopters... It'll be annoying IF this is the only way to get cultists.

Nah, with those kind of numbers, I'd expect Cultists are getting their own kit.

See, now you're just speaking rationally. I'm sure they'll eventually get a box set of some sort... but what GW has done in the past where something is "adequete" until they get around to doing it properly. Where being in the starter set maybe justification for lowering how much of a priority a new kit may have in favor of something else.

Me, I have my cultists from the Lost and the Damned days, I just want to see other people able to do armies of cultists.

Cerebrium wrote:

Therion wrote:

99% of marine players, at some point, will need a tactical squad, a captain and some terminators.

I had three Space Marine armies in 5th edition and I literally never used any of what you just mentioned.

Then you're the 1%. Congrats. Again, 99% of marine players will need these.

I'd like to be one of the 1% and only use termies/bikes. Providing Deathwing/Ravenwing don't get nerfed which i doubt they will.

There were rumors months back that the defkopptas were getting a kit of 3 that were only slightly larger than the current ones iirc.

Cultists will no doubt be an early set though as the codex is being completely redone. If they are going to seriously keep all the current models there isn't much that will need to be redone but cultists.

I'm wondering if keeping those boxes of zombies and Cadians was a good idea, now...

Am curious to know if these will be Finecost Patended Pox Paste, or if they will be plastic.

When the pictures show up, please don't be stingy with them.


Curious, but not overly confident that this is going to go over well.

Good luck, either way.

They will probably just recycle the tacticals and termies from black reach to save on sculpting time so don't expect too much DA iconography on them.

Grot 6 wrote:I'm wondering if keeping those boxes of zombies and Cadians was a good idea, now...

Am curious to know if these will be Finecost Patended Pox Paste, or if they will be plastic.

When the pictures show up, please don't be stingy with them.


Curious, but not overly confident that this is going to go over well.

Good luck, either way.

If the entire set isn't plastic, I'll eat my own shoes.

Starter kits are ALWAYS plastic.

spaceXjam wrote:so is there a cultist model?

That's what the official ones looked like when they were released years and years ago.

They have several different ones in the Forgeworld lines.

IIRC, they had some Blood Pact, from the Tanith days in there, somewhere.

Therion wrote:

Cerebrium wrote:
Then you're the 1%. Congrats. Again, 99% of marine players will need these.

If I was being unclear, I disagree with you. Competitive players will rarely or never need any of those and believe it or not more than 1% of the player base care what they have in their army list. Everything in that package blows. That said it's still a good box for two new people just starting the game, while also being good for advanced hobbyists who will just splice and dice everything into bits and convert something useful out of them.

Well competitive players are not the people GW are aiming this game at, 40k is not really much of a competitive game anyway, at least thats how GW see it.
Most SM players i have played with all have Terminators or regular marine figures in their army somewhere.
Just because it blows in your uber tourneys does not mean that most people playing 40k will not use them.

You know....

This batch of stuff might be a cool start up for a warband, if in fact this is going to be the beginnings of the army.

I for one would like to play a batch of these guys in a skermish/ ladder game.

A fine start to what would become a chaos warband.

Play with the heros with some cannon fodder in there. let them fight it out on a space hulk board/ boarding action of a ship.

Or even fight for slaves/ resources, where at the end of the day, your fighting in there DOW style.


Hmmm.....


I may just have to get in on that chaos book, after all.


Chaos, Take my soul!!!

with this boxset it will be easy to make a fallen army with the minimum of conversion work

starchild wrote:So, no Chosen then, just a regular squad of CSM apparently. For the sake of Chaos players I hope they're radically different than the current multipart boxed set.

edit: btw, Dark Angels don't have captains. They have Company Masters.

MajorWesJanson wrote:Huh? The unit of 6 is Chosen, not normal CSM. All Chosen are is basically a Veteran CSM squad, and these guys have a large variety of special CC weapons.

@MajorWes: That's not a veteran statline. Chosen are supposed to have 2 attacks each, unless this was a mistake but it looks rather official. :(

Yeah what Grot said.

I'm waiting on a Collectors Edition at the moment but after the amount of use I got out of the mini rulebook for 5th I'm looking to get the 6th Ed one ASAP.

Previously I got it form a bitz shop but looking at how pretty the models are in GW starter sets these days i'll get the whole shebang since I have neither of these forces, especially if the cultists are as good as I hope, plus there is bount to be some terrain bits too.

I'm just glad it's not more orks or nambypamby Eldar!

Claimh_Solais wrote:Really disappointed in the dark angels marines..most boring units , aka green black reach with bikers :(

This would have been so much nicer to see

Chaplain
15 scout
5 CCW Terminators
Land speeder

the chaos part are grate cant wait too se the modells

I too want a bizarre mix of models that few people want. Scouts aren't terribly popular, and aren't "Dark Angels" at all. Deathwing, Ravenwing, and some battle company Marines are a far better representation of a Dark Angels army.

Kroothawk wrote:

starchild wrote:So, no Chosen then, just a regular squad of CSM apparently. For the sake of Chaos players I hope they're radically different than the current multipart boxed set.

edit: btw, Dark Angels don't have captains. They have Company Masters.

MajorWesJanson wrote:Huh? The unit of 6 is Chosen, not normal CSM. All Chosen are is basically a Veteran CSM squad, and these guys have a large variety of special CC weapons.

@MajorWes: That's not a veteran statline. Chosen are supposed to have 2 attacks each, unless this was a mistake but it looks rather official. :(

Chosen only have one attack each in the current codex; the only thing that makes them veterans is the Infiltrate rule and access to more weapons.

Formosa wrote:with this boxset it will be easy to make a fallen army with the minimum of conversion work

This has possibilities....


I really like that idea. Then just up and add in a leman russ, or a demon engine, and away you go.

Sick, Demonhood approaches!

Muh ha ha ha!!

Grot 6 wrote:

Formosa wrote:with this boxset it will be easy to make a fallen army with the minimum of conversion work

This has possibilities....


I really like that idea. Then just up and add in a leman russ, or a demon engine, and away you go.

Sick, Demonhood approaches!

Muh ha ha ha!!

Oh my. Cultist models could make VERY good traitor guard models.

Therion wrote:

Cerebrium wrote:
Then you're the 1%. Congrats. Again, 99% of marine players will need these.

If I was being unclear, I disagree with you. Competitive players will rarely or never need any of those and believe it or not more than 1% of the player base care what they have in their army list. Everything in that package blows. That said it's still a good box for two new people just starting the game, while also being good for advanced hobbyists who will just splice and dice everything into bits and convert something useful out of them.

so space marines are viable without any tactical squad? what troop choice do you take?....

Minimum scouts?

Or... a variant that uses other unit types as troops - like Blood Angels, for example?

I actually have picked up 3 AoBR sets. Mostly because it gave me cheep Terminators and Dreads. As for the new one I amprobably also going to pick up 3. this will give me 9 bike, than all I need is a Land Speeder and Attack Bike and I already got extra of those. The Terminators, Taticals and the Chaos will be a good solid start on a Chaos Army.

That is not why I am buying the 1st one though: It’s to get a rule book that I wont be afraid to take out of the house and possibly damage. With 3 of the little books I can lend one out to the “New Guy” and not be afraid of my $75 book getting trashed. Back in 4th with Battle of Mac, I had a hard cover and three little books and I always reached for the little books because it was easier to use. I just wish you could by the Little Books on their own.

The only problem with this bit is I now have about 20 Scatter Dice.