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I would imagine it would be pale purple, or sickly-looking. But it would also be muddy and dirty, maybe with dead trees and roots growing about it. Probably moss. Since it's a giant temple it must be very slow or very fast. I can imagine it walking about on massive crab legs, with the bow of a ship. I'd look at imperial land temples and replace their tracks with legs.

EDIT: Maybe near the center it'd have some sort of control deck with a daemon or something wired up into the entire complex? Like a Tyranid Norn Queen, or the controller in the last episode of the 9th Doctor from Doctor Who. Or the Strogg from Quake, or the Combine from Half-Life. Or just a massive daemon engine.

A writting mash of flesh or surrounded by slaves?

About breast, guess you need to do some practical investigation to get the feel of them ( pun intented

 Deunstephe wrote:
I would imagine it would be pale purple, or sickly-looking. But it would also be muddy and dirty, maybe with dead trees and roots growing about it. Probably moss. Since it's a giant temple it must be very slow or very fast. I can imagine it walking about on massive crab legs, with the bow of a ship. I'd look at imperial land temples and replace their tracks with legs.

EDIT: Maybe near the center it'd have some sort of control deck with a daemon or something wired up into the entire complex? Like a Tyranid Norn Queen, or the controller in the last episode of the 9th Doctor from Doctor Who. Or the Strogg from Quake, or the Combine from Half-Life. Or just a massive daemon engine.

Interesting suggestion. But i'm not planing on building this thing as i imagine it in the scale of a small town or something. It has the space to house my whole army including weaponforges for the wargear, all tanks and vehicles and rooms for the akolytes to repair and clean the armor. And as well all the training rooms for the already recuited marines and some of the trainees. And don't forget space for all the personal slaveboys and girls of the higher ranged marines.

I might build some terrain pieces in the future (with a big maybe) but i'd need epic scale to actually build this thing and it would still be massive.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
A writting mash of flesh or surrounded by slaves?

About breast, guess you need to do some practical investigation to get the feel of them ( pun intented

The problem is i can either sit on my desk and work on my army or find someone who is willing to allow hands-on help with my sculpting. And i just love to work on my army too much


I looked in my box and i found one terminator base that i already did with the outer edge of the temple creeping over a soldier and absorbing him. The others are all primed black so you wouldn't see details.

IF you just do terrain pieces, then I still think it'd be foppin' amazing to have some sort of wired up daemon or something.

I agree. And it would fit with some of my more techy looking vehicles (for example my vindiaator walker) or my havok squad (or at least how i envision them. Curretntly they are only a bunch of legs and a champion )

Still only legs? Poor things. When'll they get torsos?

Well, i've ordered some spare torsos from a bit-shop but i still have to prepare them. I don't know if you've notices but i do a little bit of true-scaleing with my marines. (Not fully true scale but i increase leg and hip length. Because of that i can't work un the tosos without them beeing on the legs.
And as i still don't know what weapons to put on them i can't put tosos on as i can't say what pose i need ...

A long chain of worksteps that just comes down to me deciding what design of autocannons and missle launchers i want to put on them.

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 logg_frogg wrote:
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What took you so long? You LOVE chaos and btldoomhammer is serving it up like a champion!

*cough*

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Today was a day of experimentation and crazyness.

At first i put a white sheet under my minis. It seems the color correction of my camera doesn't like white as the pictures are all a little bit darker than normal. But i think they are still good enough.
And then i did some crays painting experiment with a layered edge highlight. It started as a wierd idea and 6 (or so) layers of gradiating colors later i had this. Now i fear that i'll mess everything up if i do the rest of the model ...


Not as crazy was my experiment with drybrushing on the eneryg beams of one of my sorcerers. What i learned from it is that i still don't like it. (Or don't have the skill to do it right ... ) I'll probably redo it with a layering approach (although it will take me forever ... ) but i just have better control where the colors will go that way.


Not as crazy is this piece. I like how the power claw turned out. It's not perfect as i still need a new detail brush but it is acceptable.




And finally some highlights on my sculptings from the last few days.






My GS reserves are getting closer and closer to zero. So i'm planing a big order in few days or so. I might add some additional model kits. So i just ask you. Is there anything special that you like me to do next? Do you have some cool ideas what i could add to my growing army? (I could add it to my order if it is cool enough )

Have you made your own Defiler yet?

No. But i thought about one for a long time. The price of the beast was still a reason not to buy. And i also thought about using a soulgrinder instead and build new gun arms. But that would be even more expensive ...

I'll think about it.


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I've just seen that anvil industry has relieased their autocannons.
http://www.anvilindustry.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=80&product_id=273

What do you think? Should i get some for my havoks?

I'm still in awe of your sculpting skills. And I really like the guy with the power claw, it looks awesome.

Wow. Seriously awesome stuff!

D

Really great stuff here!

Yes, definitely!


I have to say, your little converting log is truly inspirational! I would kill to see these guys up close.

I calculated the cost of what i want and need to buy and i'm a little shocked how much it is. I removed some stuff that i though would be nice to have but don't have a true place in this army and i'm still over what i thought it would cost.

So the defiler probably needs to go. It's not that i don't have the money but i don't know if i want to spent that much money ...

But the order isn't out jet so you have still some time to convince me otherwise. And the best way of doing this is feed me some ideas what to do with the defilers body. Because as much as i like walker-tanks and it would fit with my other stuff (my counts as vindicator and my spider rhino plans) i think that the torso of the defiler is a little bit to boxy.
What ideas do you have to change that and make it more slaaneshi?
One idea i had was to actually use a soulgrinder and build the weapons from scratch and add additional slaaneshi details on the demons torso. What do you think of that?

What I'll definitely buy are the anvil industry guns and also their missle launchers to finish off the havoks. But i'm thinking of adding additional anvil marines as some sort of elite ancient armored squad. Maybe i could use them as chosen or even thousand sons. But i'm still thinking about that. And this might collide with my plans for a defiler.

Also what is your idea of counts as nurgle models that still fit with my army and don't look to rotten and icky. My idea was some sort of heavyly armored marines(for slow and purposeful) and add a lot of vials and drug injectors.
Another idea of mine (a very early one) was to make them more insect themed with organic carapace-like mutated armor and insects and bugs crawling all over them. What do you think? And if you have ideas of your own i would love to hear them.


I have no paint update for you but i plan on starting to paint some of the more basic models where i don't need as much precission as on my champion models. And maybe i'll try to prime some of my other stuff if the weather is ok-ish.

But to not go pictureless here are some of my sculpting updates.

I though why not show you the current state of my vindicator? I still need to decide what to do with the legs. My first idea was to add mutated tank tracks along them to show his former existence as a normal vindicator. But i'm unsure. Do you have ideas for his legs?
And besides his legs he still needs some additional armor plates pulling further down on his back and some plating around his neck.



This is the current state of my additional noise marines. They are getting closer and closer to beeing finished.



And i continued my plans on defiling all of the dark vengance loyalists. Still a lot to do on those bikers. But i at least started. Additionally i still need to work on the plasma cannon guy and the limited edition model that is still on sprue.



This is the shape of the leg plates on my demoness. I think i'm still on track and nicely close to my concept scetches. But i should plan out the rest of the body soon or i'll have another half finished model gathering dust on my work desk...

Let me start with some suggestions regarding your paint in progress pictures you posted earlier: First of all, I think you've really got the gold and purple down now. Great job!



This guy (girl?!) is looking quite promising! I am looking forward to seeing the model with more of the details completed, although I imagine painting the entire army with this effect would be a huge amount of work, wouldn't it?



I think the drybrushed energy beams are cool, but it seems like you got the effect backwards: The deeper blue should be in the recesses, while the lighter blue/white should go on top. Somehow it looks like you did it the other way around.

And finally:



Why not try a colour for the claw that has more of a magenta note in it? A bit like the horns and claw on GW's old Azazel model . That would give you a nice spot colour for the claw! And you should maybe even add some gloss varnish on top to make it look horribly insectoid...


As for your last update, when it comes to building a Defiler, I'd either go for the Soulgrinder (as you suggested) -- the pale skin should look great against the machine parts! Or you could base your Defiler on a different model altogether: I imagine a Necron Triarch Stalker would be a great base model -- those insect legs would work great for Slaanesh. Or you could even try to build something that looks like the old Epic Subjugator Titan, only smaller...

Regarding counts as Plague Marines, here's a pretty far out idea: Why not make them look like "Harem Guards" of some sort, i.e. huge and corpulent, with lots of bare flesh. Then maybe add the drug vials you suggested. The Harem guard look would go well with Slaanesh, complement the female approach to your army, and their imposing stature would explain their improved toughness.

I hope this doesn't come across as petty nitpicking, by the way: I am fascinated by your creativity so far, and it's great fun to bounce some crazy ideas off you. Hope this helps!

Cheers,

KS

For your "counts-as-nurgle" guys, I'm thinking something along the lines of Little Sisters from Bioshock, just "all grown up." They'd have massive syringes (or syringe guns) with canisters on their backs full of liquid. They'd probably also be wearing gas masks. Or you could make massive pubic lice being ridden by someone. Or just massive pubic lice. They're sexual, aren't they?

As for the defiler, it sucks you can't get one (It's just a really cool kit) but you could've turned it into a mini-base on legs, with captive slaves of all sexes, races, and species. Since it's normally got a big box at the front, you could make it like a grasshopper and have the big claw legs at the back and the "upper torso" would become a bunker-y thing. I still don't have the hang of photoshop (traditional drawing is too fun), but I'll try my best to make some sort of mock-up.

You could probably buy one much cheaper off eBay as well. An old, badly painted one you could strip would probably be best.

 KrautScientist wrote:
First of all, I think you've really got the gold and purple down now. Great job!

Thanks.

 KrautScientist wrote:

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This guy (girl?!) is looking quite promising! I am looking forward to seeing the model with more of the details completed, although I imagine painting the entire army with this effect would be a huge amount of work, wouldn't it?

I definitely won't use this for the whole army. This was a spontanous idea i got while watching bluetablepainting videos. They did something similar with charcoal over red up to yellow. This inspired my for this piece. I wanted to do something similar but with purple up to pink. It didn't turn out as i had planed it but it is a nice effect non the less. I wanted a black armor that sill was slaaneshi. Somthing along the line of a SM chaplain with a dark armor and bone-colored decorations.

 KrautScientist wrote:

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I think the drybrushed energy beams are cool, but it seems like you got the effect backwards: The deeper blue should be in the recesses, while the lighter blue/white should go on top. Somehow it looks like you did it the other way around.

I did it this way deliberately. The brightest color in a fire is at it's core where the heat is. And as i wanted a blue flame like appearance the white is in the recesses. I redid it today and it now looks like this:

 KrautScientist wrote:
Why not try a colour for the claw that has more of a magenta note in it?

Why didn't i thought about it before. This would have created a stronger contrast to the purple armor. I don't know if i redo it but for future models I'll definitely do it. But at the moment i don't have margenta colors. Mixing might work(purple + red?) but i'll probably add some margenta colors to my next order which i will do somewhere this week.

 KrautScientist wrote:
As for your last update, when it comes to building a Defiler, I'd either go for the Soulgrinder (as you suggested) -- the pale skin should look great against the machine parts! Or you could base your Defiler on a different model altogether: I imagine a Necron Triarch Stalker would be a great base model -- those insect legs would work great for Slaanesh. Or you could even try to build something that looks like the old Epic Subjugator Titan, only smaller...

I have to look at the stalker and what i can do with it. But as far as i know the necrons have a very clean aestetic and are missing some of the more "brutal" details of the csm. But i have to look at it to decide. And the more i think about it the soulgrinder will probably be my choise between both chaos walkers. But I'll look at alternatives before i decide.

 KrautScientist wrote:

Regarding counts as Plague Marines, here's a pretty far out idea: Why not make them look like "Harem Guards" of some sort, i.e. huge and corpulent, with lots of bare flesh. Then maybe add the drug vials you suggested. The Harem guard look would go well with Slaanesh, complement the female approach to your army, and their imposing stature would explain their improved toughness.

I like the idea of a "harem guard" maybe some chaos marauders or something similar mixed with power armor bitz and sculpted a little bit mor bulk and leather masks, straps, whips and weapons with hooks to capture escaping slaves would look quite nice i think.

 KrautScientist wrote:
I hope this doesn't come across as petty nitpicking, by the way: I am fascinated by your creativity so far, and it's great fun to bounce some crazy ideas off you. Hope this helps!

I don't think that this is nitpicking or - if it is - then it is rather tame compared to what i criticise on my own models . I might have said this somewhere already but i think that i'm lacking creativity. Yes i did all this stuff here and it looks that it requires creativity to do. But i have a hard time thinking outside the box and come up with new stuff. What i did here was mostly reusing already existing details and just placing them somewhere else. And i have a MASSIVE amount of pictures and artworks collected that i browse regulary for stuff to do. I have a hard time comming up with creative designs of my own.

 Deunstephe wrote:

As for the defiler, it sucks you can't get one (It's just a really cool kit) but you could've turned it into a mini-base on legs, with captive slaves of all sexes, races, and species. Since it's normally got a big box at the front, you could make it like a grasshopper and have the big claw legs at the back and the "upper torso" would become a bunker-y thing. I still don't have the hang of photoshop (traditional drawing is too fun), but I'll try my best to make some sort of mock-up.

You could probably buy one much cheaper off eBay as well. An old, badly painted one you could strip would probably be best.

Well. It's not that i can't get one. I have enough money and currently don't need to spent it otherwise. The problem is more of a decision based one. I always had a hard time making decisions and it only gets harder for me when money is involved. I always look very hard at the cost - need balance from a more clean logical point of view. The decision to actually start this hobby took me a few month until i went and bought the starter set and hobby supplies ... And the fact that i'm so good at sculpting is only because i wanted to reduce the cost dramatically.

On the other hand i really don't like risks and am a perfectionist. I looked at larger models on ebay for a long time but never wanted to get one as the risk of getting a bad one was to high for me. In the end i'll probably buy a new kit somewhere in the future. But if it will be in the next order ... i still don't know.

And i am not a fan of this slave plattform. Yes i have slaves as objectives and part of the backstory. But for me slaves don't have a place on the battlefield. If my army goes to war it does it completely and leaves everthing behind that would be distracting from the ecstasy of battle. The slaves in my army are more of a workforce and a nice amusement to fill the gaps before the joy of the next battle. And i don't like the "slaves are only to sate lust" approach. Yes this is a slaanesh army and there will be bad stuff happening to slaves. But on the opposite loyal slaves have a future and can not only climb up in ranks but also undergo the tranformation into astartes facsimiles and be trusted soldiers themselves if they survive it.




Oh and by the way now that my rambleing is complete i also primed most of my models. Excluded are my cultists and most of the dark vengance chaos models as i want to add some additional details to them and give my cultists some more differentiation. Sadly i totally forgot the models still on my besk so the noise termies and some of my chosen are still not primed. They'll probably be added in with the next batch of finished models.

 btldoomhammer wrote:

And i am not a fan of this slave plattform. Yes i have slaves as objectives and part of the backstory. But for me slaves don't have a place on the battlefield. If my army goes to war it does it completely and leaves everthing behind that would be distracting from the ecstasy of battle. The slaves in my army are more of a workforce and a nice amusement to fill the gaps before the joy of the next battle. And i don't like the "slaves are only to sate lust" approach. Yes this is a slaanesh army and there will be bad stuff happening to slaves. But on the opposite loyal slaves have a future and can not only climb up in ranks but also undergo the tranformation into astartes facsimiles and be trusted soldiers themselves if they survive it.

I WAS thinking of workforce slaves, but they'd be of different sexes, races, and species. It's boring to keep everything 'umie. If I was talking about sex slaves, then this would be a Dark Eldar thread, wouldn't it? Since the Defiler is more machine than daemon, a platform of sex wouldn't fit it at all anyway. Also, where did you get the "only to sate lust" idea from my post? I only said they'd be slaves on a platform; you'd have total artistic freedom from that basis. You could make it a tiny factory (for something) or a slave barge, or getting ready to disembark for battle with slave-drivers behind them.
Not every slave is just a worker, some would HAVE to go onto the field, maintaining engines and vehicles, or being used as cannon fodder since there's more than enough to go around.

Okay, this was a case of me rambling on. The only thing that was directly ment for you was that i don't like the platform idea. For me the defiler is a massive engine of war - a walker tank - and not a platform where someone sits on top.

The rest of what i said was more of an additional backstory how i see the topic "slave" in my army and not directly ment as a reply to your post. My mind just saw me writing "slave" and switched to explain-rambling mode.

I guess I was trying to convey the image of a landing craft-type thing on a defiler body, just more insectoid. I guess I'll have to make it, then!

Basically I saw the image of slaves being whipped out of a barge on legs into the midst of fighting while the actual vehicle storms through buildings. Since, y'know, it's still a Daemon engine.

Ah. this makes more sense now. I instantly thought about a defiler without the body but instead an open plattform with a rider and slaves on top. I can't find the image of it or i'd posted it. But you might have seen it too.
Don't know why i had this one in mind ...

That's just silly. I was probably trying to revive that "spider rhino" idea you had earlier in the thread. I'm still trying to create a proper drawing (i've never drawn a defiler before!) but it might take a while with everyday inconveniences.

I've tried some sketches of my own just now but they look crappy. The only nice idea that came out of is a more spider like look with larger abdomen and the gun mounted inside. But i don't know how it would look as the sketch itself is really crappy.

maybe instead of a defiler, pick up a GK dreadknight? Its a bit cheaper them a defiler and I've found them to be great bases for conversions. It would need a bit more work probably then a defiler to look as chaosy though. Something else, after looking at your legged tanks, maybe do a praying mantis-esque slaneeshi defiler? Four walking legs and a long abdomen, the torso with two long claws and the triangular head with a mouth full of tentacles and a gun sticking out. Don't know if this is too specific or not, I've really been enjoying following your work

Thanks for the suggestions. But the more suggestions you all are giving me the more i have to realize that i actually don't really know what i want.

Okay, let's just try to sort this out a little. I like the idea of the newer chaos machines with organic parts/look. And the basic defiler doesn't deliver this with it's boxy main body.
The triarch stalker and the dreadknight are both interesting kits for conversions but i don't think they deliver what i need.

The soulgrinder has the demon and machine fused look but it is more of a two part model. Here the demon and there the mechanized bits. No real biomechanoid look. So additionally to the weapons i had to scratchbuild that also.

A defiler on two legs isn't my style. The slave soldier transporter -demon engine thing is a really cool idea but don't represent a defiler. But as the idea is fitting i migth still build something like this in the future just to have it and not as a defiler.

The more insectoid approach is a nice idea and i myself have a spiderlike concept that i like as much as the praying mantis idea.

Even a scratchbuild approach is not out of the question. So let the ideas flow free.

Here are some nice ideas from my inspiration folder
This piece is from deviantart. Just imagine it without the human but instead a massive cannon.


Or this form deviantart too. This is a normal defiler but with a different shape and doesn't look as boxy.

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