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The glaze will brighten your colours, so if you want a dark blue tint then you should use Drakenhof Nightshade.

Okay. I've used some of your advice and experimented a bit on my orks. (They weren't happy about it)

This is the result:


1-1) Dward Flesh + grey -> Ogryn Flesh -> dwarf flesh + grey -> elf flesh +grey
---- Interesting effect but too fleshy

1-2) Deneb Stone -> purple wash -> deneb stone
---- Maybe.

2-1) Emperos Children + Grey -> Thinned blue glaze -> Emperors Children + grey -> the same + white
---- Kinda cool but not for human skin. Maybe on the demonic mutations ...

2-2) Emperors Children + dwarf flesh -> purple wash
---- Also interesting for demonic stuff like tentacles or so.

3-1) Same as 1-1 without the grey and added purple wash to Ogryn flesh
----- To fleshy.

3-2) i dont have the slightes clue whar i did there. I think grey -> purple wash -> thined blue glaze -> grey highlight
---- ????

4-1) deneb -> blue wash -> blue glaze
---- very blue ... not my case.

4-2) Deneb stone -> ogryn flesh + purple wash -> deneb stone
---- maybe

5-1) Like 4-2 but only purple wash and idenical with 1-2

5-2)

 KrautScientist wrote:

1.) Paint with GW Rakarth Flesh (or Dheneb Stone, if you're still using the old colours).
2.) Wash liberally with GW Ogryn Flesh (not sure about the new version, but maybe Reikland Flesh shade, or something like that?)
3.) Accents with slightly thinned down Rakarth Flesh
4.) Carefully apply a mix of Ogryn Flesh and Leviathan purple into and around some of the deepest recesses (eyesockets, below the cheekbones,...) to emulate bruising and sickly pallor.

---- Hmmm pale flesh. good for cultists and such but for my marines ... i don't know.



I'm still insecure ... Maybe I'll make another try with crimson wash. (totally forgotten that i also had one of those ...) this will be a little bit lighter that the purple wash. But for now my orks are on strike and don't want more strange colors.

 btldoomhammer wrote:
Okay. I've used some of your advice and experimented a bit on my orks. (They weren't happy about it)

This is the result:


1-1) Dward Flesh + grey -> Ogryn Flesh -> dwarf flesh + grey -> elf flesh +grey
---- Interesting effect but too fleshy

1-2) Deneb Stone -> purple wash -> deneb stone
---- Maybe.

2-1) Emperos Children + Grey -> Thinned blue glaze -> Emperors Children + grey -> the same + white
---- Kinda cool but not for human skin. Maybe on the demonic mutations ...

2-2) Emperors Children + dwarf flesh -> purple wash
---- Also interesting for demonic stuff like tentacles or so.

3-1) Same as 1-1 without the grey and added purple wash to Ogryn flesh
----- To fleshy.

3-2) i dont have the slightes clue whar i did there. I think grey -> purple wash -> thined blue glaze -> grey highlight
---- ????

4-1) deneb -> blue wash -> blue glaze
---- very blue ... not my case.

4-2) Deneb stone -> ogryn flesh + purple wash -> deneb stone
---- maybe

5-1) Like 4-2 but only purple wash and idenical with 1-2

5-2)

 KrautScientist wrote:

1.) Paint with GW Rakarth Flesh (or Dheneb Stone, if you're still using the old colours).
2.) Wash liberally with GW Ogryn Flesh (not sure about the new version, but maybe Reikland Flesh shade, or something like that?)
3.) Accents with slightly thinned down Rakarth Flesh
4.) Carefully apply a mix of Ogryn Flesh and Leviathan purple into and around some of the deepest recesses (eyesockets, below the cheekbones,...) to emulate bruising and sickly pallor.

---- Hmmm pale flesh. good for cultists and such but for my marines ... i don't know.



I'm still insecure ... Maybe I'll make another try with crimson wash. (totally forgotten that i also had one of those ...) this will be a little bit lighter that the purple wash. But for now my orks are on strike and don't want more strange colors.

I think 5:1 looks best. Also your GS skills are amazing!

Those poor Orks look good! I like 4-2 and 5-1, but they look a little too similar to 1-2. I'd make the cultists 1-1, 1-2, or 5-2, and marines and such 4-2 and 3-2.

I haven't done much painting again. So only a little bit has changed. But i tried some more blending namely from grey over purple to pink for the tentacles and the hair of the daemonette. But this looks more tzeentch than slaanesh ... But i'll keep it that way. The only thing that is missing are edge highlighting on the metals and some minor touch ups and the daemonette marine needs some washes before that.

What is your opinion on them? Does the grey skin work? I'm thinking of adding an additional layer of flesh wash to the one on the lower left as she looks a little bit to colorless. What would you do?



I did a lot of sculpting but i don't want do overfill this topic so just some highlights.

I worked on The Elernal Siren some more and added some more armor details. Also my noise weapons are now finished and are beeing added to my marines step by step.


I also have an update of my spawn. This beast is hard to picture due to its pose but i thing i got the most of the important parts captured.


And i've also started on my warp talons. Not much to see just jet other than my try to scale those legs up.


And finaly updates on my additional demon princess. One updated and one new. And i know i don't need two additional ones but i just love to sculpt and i want to try out larger scaled sculpts again.

I like the purple skin better, I'd use the grey on cultists or something. It makes them look sickly instead of possessed/mutated. I love your sculpting skill! What do you use for armature, just paperclips? And what do you use for muscle reference?

Do you mean actuall purple skin or a purple wash? Because purple skin next to purple armor would be a little bit contrastless. I can try to add a layer of purple wash to them. Or i could try something similar to the tentacles and add a tiny bit of purple into the grey.

I use a stronger wire as armature. It has roughly the same diameter as paper clips but it is stronger. It sometimes is hard to get into shape on infantery sized models but it is so strong that it doesn't distend while sculpting. Some of my older sculpst used a more flexible wire and even with greenstuff i can still bent those arms.

I mean the ones on the left (Spiky haired one basically). With brighter highlights they would seriously pop.

Where do you get those wires? I really want to work on my GS skills so I can make a Rogue Trader style IG army or something. A good mix of xenos and gender equality (kind of, Orks don't have any real gender but refer to each other as male, and we don't know much about the Kroot now do we?).

The spikey one is just grey with a purple wash and still not highlighted. So i can probably add a wash of purple to my other ones and carefully highlight them.

I "borrowed" my wire from my fathers workshop. So i can't say where to get them. I also ordered some from an architecture shop (as well as my plasticard).
I can ask my father for details on the wire tomorrow.

And to answer the question that i missed in your other post:
For muscles i use http://www.posemaniacs.com/ as reference. If you spent some time brwosing through all the poses you will mostly find some that fit for what you have in mind And it definitely help that you can rotate them to get a good look at all angles.

Holy crap! All kinds of crazy going on in this thread!

I thought that I had commented, but it seems not. Sorry.

Great work all around.

Looking forward to see what madness comes next.

~Eric

Sweet! This'll help with my drawings (I don't like drawing catachans, but I've gotta!) and working on sculpting.

EDIT: Did I ever ask what tools you use? I like to ask so I can find a good range to choose from (dental tools, actual sculpting tools, house supply, etc.). I also feel like I'm asking too many questions. o.o' Am I?

I have no problem with questions as long as you have no problems with my answers that might turn into wild rambling.

Strangely i can't get myself to draw. I was quite decent at it but as strange as it sound i can't find the inspiration and creativity to do so. I often use other artwork as reference or just randomly work what my warp infused mind comes up with. This is why i have so much unfinished stuff.

As tools i own the army painter sculpting set but only use the one with the spearlike tip and the spatula. I tought about getting dental tools for better quality but never got other the "thinking" phase. (And i should probably do this because my tool has this bump from dropping to the floor too many times.)
Additionally i have the whole set of firm clay shapers in size 0 and 2. But i use mostly the taper point and the cup chisel from them.
And of course a wet finger is also a nice smoothing tool.

I'd love to see your drawings. Michelangelo had a bunch of "unfinished" works that were finished to him. I should put some of mine up, but I can't decide if I should scan them or take pictures.

I'll see if I can find those tools on eBay. I have the mediocre GW sculpting tool and some old dental picks (the hook thingies), and everyone says those clay shapers are great so I'll look into those. They probably sell those at a crafts store.

Can't wait for more stuff. Love the conversions, sculpts, and scratchbuilds. Can't wait to see if there are some draws up here as well!

I can't scan them as i don't have a scanner. And those drawings are old - some even ten years or so. I have no recent ones that aren't just random sketches and doodle with a pall pen(not the best tool to use)

I don't have the GW tool but to be honest i don't think that the army painter ones are that much better. You just have 3 kind of them. Although the spatula can give you a nice angle if you need to work on hard to reach spots.

I bought my Royal Sovereign Size 0 Extra Firm Clay Shapers from Dick Blick online.

www.dickblick.com/

I have heard that Firm ones are also good.

Btldoomhammer, your sculpts are amazing! I am especially fond of the extra details on the leg armor.

WOW!!!!! really nice models mate well done how do you craft your leg and shoulder guards?

Well my shoulder guard are mostly stock shoulders either from loyalists or others with additional details sculpted on.

Some of my legs are scratchbuild but most of them are also stock ones with additional details.
The scratchbuild ones are bent wires as armature bulked out with milliput and then details modeled around them. What helps is glueing a little piece of plasticard on the wire in the rough shape of he feets to get the propotions for the leg guards. Using milliput also helps as you can file them down into shape (i tend to create them to tick mostly ... )

The details like those chaos armor trimmings are greenstuff rolled into a thin line, wraped around the model and then pressed and pulled into the shape that i want. And the rest of the details are stuff that randomly comes to my mind or stuff i saw in artwork. (http://www.deviantart.com/ is a big source of my inspiration.)

 btldoomhammer wrote:
Okay. I've used some of your advice and experimented a bit on my orks. (They weren't happy about it)

This is the result:


1-1) Dward Flesh + grey -> Ogryn Flesh -> dwarf flesh + grey -> elf flesh +grey
---- Interesting effect but too fleshy

1-2) Deneb Stone -> purple wash -> deneb stone
---- Maybe.

2-1) Emperos Children + Grey -> Thinned blue glaze -> Emperors Children + grey -> the same + white
---- Kinda cool but not for human skin. Maybe on the demonic mutations ...

2-2) Emperors Children + dwarf flesh -> purple wash
---- Also interesting for demonic stuff like tentacles or so.

3-1) Same as 1-1 without the grey and added purple wash to Ogryn flesh
----- To fleshy.

3-2) i dont have the slightes clue whar i did there. I think grey -> purple wash -> thined blue glaze -> grey highlight
---- ????

4-1) deneb -> blue wash -> blue glaze
---- very blue ... not my case.

4-2) Deneb stone -> ogryn flesh + purple wash -> deneb stone
---- maybe

5-1) Like 4-2 but only purple wash and idenical with 1-2

5-2)

 KrautScientist wrote:

1.) Paint with GW Rakarth Flesh (or Dheneb Stone, if you're still using the old colours).
2.) Wash liberally with GW Ogryn Flesh (not sure about the new version, but maybe Reikland Flesh shade, or something like that?)
3.) Accents with slightly thinned down Rakarth Flesh
4.) Carefully apply a mix of Ogryn Flesh and Leviathan purple into and around some of the deepest recesses (eyesockets, below the cheekbones,...) to emulate bruising and sickly pallor.

---- Hmmm pale flesh. good for cultists and such but for my marines ... i don't know.



I'm still insecure ... Maybe I'll make another try with crimson wash. (totally forgotten that i also had one of those ...) this will be a little bit lighter that the purple wash. But for now my orks are on strike and don't want more strange colors.

STEAL! ^__^

I needed some ideas to paint my Hobbit Orc hunting party

Another update from me. I added a little bit of paint to one of my older scratch builds so that you can have a better grasp of what the details are.



And i also worked on my sculpting a bit.





And i actually sat down and sketched some details for one of my scratchbuild demon princess. I really like the concept for her leg armor. Lets see if i can get them onto the model to my likeing.





And i have a question on my update style. Because i often work on multiple projects the same time i create a lot of updates with lot of pictures but actuall little changes. Should i stop that and do a more concentrated updateing with less shots in between or should i continue and flood this topic with pictures. What do you prefer?

Flood with pictures! But you could just wait 'till you have a nice store of pictures and then upload those. Everyone likes pictures, but sometimes you just can't take 'em, so sometimes you could have some picture-less updates and just a paragraph or two on concepts and stuff.

EDIT: Is the daemon princess with leg-guards going to be swinging something? Her arms look a bit wonky if you think about them any other way IMO.

I think i have some pics already that aren't posted.

And the pose of the demon princess is a funny story. I based the original sculpt on an anime picture. But after i lost interest in the model i not only lost the reference picture but i had no idea what i wanted to do with it as i started again.

So i now have to work with what pose was already done. I'll probably add a twohanded weapon like massive axe or mace. Or i'll lean her frward a little and use a spear. But i'm still looking at possible weapons that fit the pose.


And just a small non-picture update. I just finished the last missing detail on my noise terminators. I might set up a group shot tomorrow. (if i remember it ... )

Nice sculpting work! Subscribed

Very nice work here, great sculpting skills Doom. You should be sculpting your own models! That is how skilled you are.

 lindsay40k wrote:
Nice sculpting work! Subscribed

Thanks.

 IdentifyZero wrote:
Very nice work here, great sculpting skills Doom. You should be sculpting your own models! That is how skilled you are.

And thank you too. But to be honest i don't think that i'm a t a professional level. I take to many shortcuts and i still can't create consistent quality so mirrored details that should match doesn't do it. And my poses are sometimes off and looking to plain or just weird.

 JB wrote:
I have heard that Firm ones are also good.

I have to correct myself. I actually have the extra firm ones. I have gotten mine as a christmas present and never looked to deep onto them. But today i saw this little text on them that said "extra firm". I'm embarrased now.

 Deunstephe wrote:
Where do you get those wires?

I asked my father about them today. (forgot it yesterday. ) Those are iron wires you can get for gardening but the ones without the green plastic around them. If you want to use them you might want to use a side cutter too. As those wire are stronger you might damage your pliers. They can be cut with them but i don't know if it is good in the long run. I still use my pliers but mine is already damaged after i tried to cut my heads from my steel needles (A very bad idea ... )

Really like the look of the current sculpt. Maybe make some sort of halberd for her? Looking at the pose it looks like it might work, make it look like she's about to swing the weapon towards some unlucky fool. Can't wait to see more.

Again, just wow!

First of all, while I love seeing lots of pictures, I do indeed think that you may want to space out your updates some more: I love seeing lots of new content as much as the next guy, but, like I said before, I find it really hard to keep up with the almost frantic pace of this thread. Now don't take this the wrong way: Your stuff is simply amazing. But each of your picture updates creates so much food for discussion that it can be a little overwhelming -- that's just my two cents, though

Now for the actual models:

Regarding the paint, I think you're on to a great start. I love that systematic approach to testing the different skin tones! Now i you ask me, the Orc "on strike" in the bottom right would have the *perfect* skin tone for your more mutated Marines: I bet the contrast between skin and armour would be fantastic! Seriously!

If you want to keep the more greyish tone, that's okay too, although I would make it a bit lighter, at least on the most prominent areas of the model. The armour is starting to look really great. The skin loincloths could use a fleshy wash, though, to make them look slightly more disturbing.

The new sculpts are also really promising. But I have to tell you that I really LOVE that Dread! It's the perfect missing link between Decimators/Contemptors and the regular Dreadnought design. Certainly one of the best Dreadnought conversions I have seen so far. My only gripe with it would be that the rocket launcher seems to be the wrong way around...

Love your GS skills but you should read more "literature" on breast they look slapped on and kinda flat.

@ Hive Fleet Lazarus:
Thanks. And i think I'll go with the halberd or tong twohanded axe approach. I might do a mockup on it to see how it looks. But i think that is the best option.

@KrautScientist:
The loincloth already has two coats of flesh wash. (But i think it was wathered down) I might add a flesh + purple one directly into the folds.

I have thought about adding additional grey highlights with an additional grey + white highlight on the more exposed areas. I might try it out on one model and see how it looks. But i probably need another extreme detail brush for that. I can count the remaining hairs on two hands.

The dread is my first larger scale scratch build but i still like it. The legs might be a bit to thin for the body but other than that there is nothing too bad on him. I really like his arms or - to be more precice - weapon mounts. Because they aren't that armlike and well protected with those massive shoulderplates.
I know that the missle launcher is the wrong way but i needed the other side for my obliterator. I think it isn't that bad.

@Jehan-reznor:
Hehe. I might need to do that. But to be fair those bare chested cultists are some earlier sculpt that sat on my desk for a while before working on them again. My newer ones are better i think. But i still have a hard time sculpting them in realistic propotions as it is really hard to do in such scale without them turing way to big. And as i don't need exposed breasts (and also don't want to) all over my models i don't have that much practice on it.


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As promised the noise terminator group shot. Not the best but i'll make a better one with white background and such once i actually have a better setup. (and have beat my laziness to actually create a light box... )

Those are some awesome looking Terminators!

Thanks.

I have a question for the color or my bases. What colors would you think a massive walking/creeping temple of slaanesh would have?
I'll base some of my models standing on the temple grounds or in the outer range of the temple where it creeps over the surrounding.

And to maybe help you, I'll give you a buit of background of the temple.
It is a massive moving temple complex that houses all the wargear, weapons and quarters of the army. In essence everything that you'd need to supply the training and living of a full army of astartes. Those are in the center of the temple - the stable part of it. Whereever the temple goes and over whatever it creeps this cental temple will always stay the same.
Then there is the outer edge of the temple, maybe a few kilometres wide where the temple creeps over everything. Buildings, landscape, plants and living creatures. (Just think of zerg creep but it moves with the temple and is itself ornated and has it's own decorations and such)
Some of the areas of the outer edge are semi stable and most of the time have their own architecture that stays the same but interacts with the landcape the temple creeps over. This is the living area of the akolytes, csm in training and the higher ranked cultists.
But the most areas are just the structure of whatever the temple has burried underneath.

This temple creeps around the planet, sometimes even over whole cities. Most of the time the landscape remains unchanged. But if a living beeing is caught underneath it might just never be seen again, survive as a ravaging madman/-woman. Or sometimes a human survives with mind intact and stronger than before. Those are recruited as akolytes that serve the army in all those mundane tasks that The Followers of the Eternal Siren don't find pleasurable.

how would you think a crazy structure like that is colored?