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To be fair the metal terminators are horribly proportioned and looked ridiculous with their size. It was laughable to think that thats what was supposed to be some of the best armour in the IoM was supposed to look like.
You're not playing the game like I play it...why aren't you playing the game like I play it?! O_O
Binabik15 wrote: Given how the GSC are some of the best looking and proportional humans GW has done and not huge, beefy monsters like Wrathmongers, Blight Kings or even all the plastic demons from YEARS ago, ehh. And they're half xenos, for crying out loud. Greyfax is tall, but she's wearing heels and a servo armour suit adds mass. So 40k humans should be safe - IF we ever get some more of those. I really hope we do.
The Silver Tower Sigmar priest has me worried for the Fantasy side, but he's supposedly a giant dude and the Bloodreavers have crap proportions but are not giants like the heroes.
Space Marines are some of the worst proportioned "humans" in all Wargaming. The armour is just bad in 2017
They were kinda bad when released I was just commenting on the pic that we'll soon playing with action figures if the scale keeps going up. But GSC and Skitarii are (somewhat) human and weren't turned into huge monsters, so that fear is unfounded - as long as GW actually does release humans and not just Marines and huge Orks.
Looking for a Skaven Doomwheel banner to repair my Nurgle knights.
I hope they eventually replace the existing marines, as the heroic anatomy on existing marines looks silly and seems to exist because of sculpting and casting capabilities, or lack thereof, in the past. GW isn't stuck in the past.
Their style is sufficiently similar that old marines or new marines still look like marines and are playable. The models could even be used side by side. I don't see the problem.
It isn't scale creep either. Marines are giants. The existing marine models were out of scale.
I can't wait to see the new terminators, because the old terminators look simply awful in terms of scale and anatomy.
I hope it's the pics, but the marines look like they are all legs and ate too much cake... with the weight going to their waist and legs. It looks like the conversions with terminator legs, where the legs dwarf the head, body, chest, etc.
I get they don't want to invalidate their other kits, but I wish the models increased size was more balanced. I know the deathwatch marines were a tad bigger (mainly due to pose), but they don't look all legs. That worked well and didn't look wierd.
I don't mind them increasing the size.
The things that annoy me about recent GW models are;
1. Too many in overdramatic diving / running poses.
2. Hovering on some kind of plastic piece tendril.
3. Those that are stood have their legs spread too far apart as if they're asking for a nut kicking.
And it goes without saying, all the rune/skull acne.
GW used to pride themselves that they'd made all the Marine kits interchangeable. How's that going to go now?
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GW used to pride themselves that they'd made all the Marine kits interchangeable. How's that going to go now?
Probably about the same as before?
It's always been the case that Marine kits have certain swappable components within reason; like Terminator armor bits from the other Marine factions are swappable with Terminator armor bits that exist now--the Heresy marks excluded--and the bared heads are swappable among the various Marine kits in general.
I'm seriously starting to think that these "Giant Marines" are intended to be some kind of "Astartes Prime" or a "Raptor Redux" kind of thing. They're not intended to replace the Astartes that exist now, but they're intended to fulfill a specific role for now.
So it wouldn't really make a whole lot of sense for the stuff to be swappable with "generic" Marine kit, beyond maybe helmets or pouches and the like.
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I don't mind the idea of more size appropriate Marines but on the other hand I have 60ish Power Armor marines that aren't embiggened (it is a word, just ask the Simpsons) and I'm not keen on Super Duper Uber Humans as opposed to the normal Super Humans.
Hoping that when things are more known the issues are mitigated or non-existent.
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We have Super Duper Uber Humans in many forms. Grey Knights, Adeptus Custodes, etc... I find another type in the fluff and game redundant, but it isn't gonna be the end of the world.
What I'm most worried about is if they follow the Age of Sigmar formula of releasing new mini armies and not launching new kits to existing armys. But as 40k is still here I don't think that will happen here.
As a generic Greenskin player and Slaves to Darkness with Khorne Bloodbound in Age of Sigmar I'm totally aware that these armies are background armies, and I don't expect them to be supported with new kits. But I'm glad that my armies don't receive the Bretonnian and Tomb Kings treatment. They are leftovers of the Old World. The factions in 40k are styll the same.
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
I think I might collect an army of these new marines. The models look fantastic. Which chapter to do though? I had planned on doing a 30k Sons of Horus army but these are so tempting. Maybe Blood Angels to pay homage to my 10 year old self... But then Blood Angels are stuck in Imperium Nihilus and so won't have access to this new mark.
Hmmmm, tough decisions!
Bye bye Dakkadakka, happy hobbying! I really enjoyed my time on here. Opinions were always my own :-)
Bottle wrote: I think I might collect an army of these new marines. The models look fantastic. Which chapter to do though? I had planned on doing a 30k Sons of Horus army but these are so tempting. Maybe Blood Angels to pay homage to my 10 year old self... But then Blood Angels are stuck in Imperium Nihilus and so won't have access to this new mark.
Hmmmm, tough decisions!
Easy answer, Scythes of the Emperor. They have great fluff, easy colour scheme ( black and yellow bodies) plus they have been ravaged by the Hive fleets so tons of scope for survivors and salvation teams.
That will most likely be the chapter I do if I decide to come back to 40k.
Bottle wrote: I think I might collect an army of these new marines. The models look fantastic. Which chapter to do though? I had planned on doing a 30k Sons of Horus army but these are so tempting. Maybe Blood Angels to pay homage to my 10 year old self... But then Blood Angels are stuck in Imperium Nihilus and so won't have access to this new mark.
Hmmmm, tough decisions!
Personally, I'm hoping each of the Codex Chapters will get a unique variant of these big guys...
We have two flavours of 'super' dudes in the Grey Knights and dw. Why do we need bigger badder dudes? It just detracts from the coolness of marines imo.
I feel it muddies the waters and is a lame concept but I'm sure there are plenty who'll lap it up.
I would have preferred a straight aesthetic change as i do think the new models look proportionallybetter
Bottle wrote: I think I might collect an army of these new marines. The models look fantastic. Which chapter to do though? I had planned on doing a 30k Sons of Horus army but these are so tempting. Maybe Blood Angels to pay homage to my 10 year old self... But then Blood Angels are stuck in Imperium Nihilus and so won't have access to this new mark.
Hmmmm, tough decisions!
Easy answer, Scythes of the Emperor. They have great fluff, easy colour scheme ( black and yellow bodies) plus they have been ravaged by the Hive fleets so tons of scope for survivors and salvation teams.
That will most likely be the chapter I do if I decide to come back to 40k.
Hmm was never a fan of the black and yellow actually, but they're are cool army to do all the same. I hadn't thought about second founding, but it's only really Black Templars that appeal to me and I don't want to do black power armour particulary.
I bet those new marines would look cool in Space Wolf colours!
Kanluwen wrote:
Bottle wrote: I think I might collect an army of these new marines. The models look fantastic. Which chapter to do though? I had planned on doing a 30k Sons of Horus army but these are so tempting. Maybe Blood Angels to pay homage to my 10 year old self... But then Blood Angels are stuck in Imperium Nihilus and so won't have access to this new mark.
Hmmmm, tough decisions!
Personally, I'm hoping each of the Codex Chapters will get a unique variant of these big guys...
*cough* Mor Deythan *cough*
Sorry, had a bit of a tickle...
Bespoke units for each chapter would be very cool. Forgeworld has really shown what's possible with turning the first founding each into fully realised factions.
Hmm, thinking more I might actually do a de saturated Ultramarine army like the left side of the Ultra/Death Guard concept, or maybe a custom chapter in that blue/grey.
Bye bye Dakkadakka, happy hobbying! I really enjoyed my time on here. Opinions were always my own :-)
Thanks for drawing my attention to this. I am very excited to see whats coming in 8th now. I actually believe the Numarines are coming, but probably as an optional unit, not replacing the current models. Pretty slick, finally they fixed the weird proportions (IMHO)
CrudeLord wrote: We have two flavours of 'super' dudes in the Grey Knights and dw. Why do we need bigger badder dudes? It just detracts from the coolness of marines imo.
I feel it muddies the waters and is a lame concept but I'm sure there are plenty who'll lap it up.
There's nothing "super" about Deathwatch. They're specialized, not "super". Grey Knights are also highly specialized, being drawn from worlds cultivated for high proportions of Psykers. Beyond that there has been nothing really to suggest they're anything beyond an army of pseudo-Librarians.
We know nothing about whatever these new guys are. There's speculation right now, based off the way "Rise of the Primarch" ended that they are Guilliman creating new "super Marines".
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CrudeLord wrote: We have two flavours of 'super' dudes in the Grey Knights and dw. Why do we need bigger badder dudes? It just detracts from the coolness of marines imo.
I feel it muddies the waters and is a lame concept but I'm sure there are plenty who'll lap it up.
There's nothing "super" about Deathwatch. They're specialized, not "super".
Grey Knights are also highly specialized, being drawn from worlds cultivated for high proportions of Psykers. Beyond that there has been nothing really to suggest they're anything beyond an army of pseudo-Librarians.
We know nothing about whatever these new guys are. There's speculation right now, based off the way "Rise of the Primarch" ended that they are Guilliman creating new "super Marines".
You are correct about Deathwatch but no, Grey Knights are form with the most purest humans in the galaxy, totally incorruptible, all of them have high psychic powers and are trained levels beyond the normal Astartes. They are too specialiced against daemon but even against a non demon enemy they are superior, generally speaking, to normal Astartes.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
CrudeLord wrote: We have two flavours of 'super' dudes in the Grey Knights and dw. Why do we need bigger badder dudes? It just detracts from the coolness of marines imo.
I feel it muddies the waters and is a lame concept but I'm sure there are plenty who'll lap it up.
There's nothing "super" about Deathwatch. They're specialized, not "super".
Grey Knights are also highly specialized, being drawn from worlds cultivated for high proportions of Psykers. Beyond that there has been nothing really to suggest they're anything beyond an army of pseudo-Librarians.
We know nothing about whatever these new guys are. There's speculation right now, based off the way "Rise of the Primarch" ended that they are Guilliman creating new "super Marines".
You are correct about Deathwatch but no, Grey Knights are form with the most purest humans in the galaxy, totally incorruptible, all of them have high psychic powers and are trained levels beyond the normal Astartes.
Training != Superhuman
Assassins are trained to absurd levels, does that make them superhuman?
They are too specialiced against daemon but even against a non demon enemy they are superior, generally speaking, to normal Astartes.
Again, see the bit on training != superhuman.
Grey Knights don't detract from the "coolness" of Marines.
Deathwatch, if anything, enhance the coolness of Marines seeing as how y'know...they're just normal Marines seconded to an organization...
CrudeLord wrote: We have two flavours of 'super' dudes in the Grey Knights and dw. Why do we need bigger badder dudes? It just detracts from the coolness of marines imo.
I feel it muddies the waters and is a lame concept but I'm sure there are plenty who'll lap it up.
There's nothing "super" about Deathwatch. They're specialized, not "super".
Grey Knights are also highly specialized, being drawn from worlds cultivated for high proportions of Psykers. Beyond that there has been nothing really to suggest they're anything beyond an army of pseudo-Librarians.
We know nothing about whatever these new guys are. There's speculation right now, based off the way "Rise of the Primarch" ended that they are Guilliman creating new "super Marines".
You are correct about Deathwatch but no, Grey Knights are form with the most purest humans in the galaxy, totally incorruptible, all of them have high psychic powers and are trained levels beyond the normal Astartes.
Training != Superhuman
Assassins are trained to absurd levels, does that make them superhuman?
They are too specialiced against daemon but even against a non demon enemy they are superior, generally speaking, to normal Astartes.
Again, see the bit on training != superhuman.
Grey Knights don't detract from the "coolness" of Marines.
Deathwatch, if anything, enhance the coolness of Marines seeing as how y'know...they're just normal Marines seconded to an organization...
Okay so I agree. The Deathwatch or the Grey Knights aren't quite the same. They're like the SAS and the Vaticans Holy Army of marines. I've made a terrible mistake in canvasing them as just better.
Doesnt take away from the fact thess new guys seem to be just super'er super dudes.
I don't like the concept at all and I just don't think they should be addressing a scale adjustment with this contrived nonsense and would have preferred a new mark of armour or something as an explanation.
CrudeLord wrote: We have two flavours of 'super' dudes in the Grey Knights and dw. Why do we need bigger badder dudes? It just detracts from the coolness of marines imo.
I feel it muddies the waters and is a lame concept but I'm sure there are plenty who'll lap it up.
There's nothing "super" about Deathwatch. They're specialized, not "super".
Grey Knights are also highly specialized, being drawn from worlds cultivated for high proportions of Psykers. Beyond that there has been nothing really to suggest they're anything beyond an army of pseudo-Librarians.
We know nothing about whatever these new guys are. There's speculation right now, based off the way "Rise of the Primarch" ended that they are Guilliman creating new "super Marines".
You are correct about Deathwatch but no, Grey Knights are form with the most purest humans in the galaxy, totally incorruptible, all of them have high psychic powers and are trained levels beyond the normal Astartes.
Training != Superhuman
Assassins are trained to absurd levels, does that make them superhuman?
They are too specialiced against daemon but even against a non demon enemy they are superior, generally speaking, to normal Astartes.
Again, see the bit on training != superhuman.
Grey Knights don't detract from the "coolness" of Marines.
Deathwatch, if anything, enhance the coolness of Marines seeing as how y'know...they're just normal Marines seconded to an organization...
Well, to me, the fact that all of them are pyshics, and the rumours that their geneseed just like the one of the custodes comes from the Emperor themselve, put them as Super Duper Humans, but I think we just disagree in the definition of Superhuman.
And before anyone jump to conclusions, I too dislikes this "New super space marines", if they are introduced as a new generation of regular marines but superior, because it push down every other thing in the setting down in the feed chain of the universe. And if marines have "new super marines" then other factions will have too their "new super X". Personally I don't like that.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
Okay so I agree. The Deathwatch or the Grey Knights aren't quite the same. They're like the SAS and the Vaticans Holy Army of marines. I've made a terrible mistake in canvasing them as just better.
Doesnt take away from the fact thess new guys seem to be just super'er super dudes.
I don't like the concept at all and I just don't think they should be addressing a scale adjustment with this contrived nonsense and would have preferred a new mark of armour or something as an explanation.
All we have right now is a picture of these new models.
There's nothing talking about "the concept" beyond rumors and speculation at this point.
Just makes normal marines seem... Well... Normal.
What, Chaos Marines didn't do that for you already?
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CrudeLord wrote: We have two flavours of 'super' dudes in the Grey Knights and dw. Why do we need bigger badder dudes? It just detracts from the coolness of marines imo.
I feel it muddies the waters and is a lame concept but I'm sure there are plenty who'll lap it up.
There's nothing "super" about Deathwatch. They're specialized, not "super".
Grey Knights are also highly specialized, being drawn from worlds cultivated for high proportions of Psykers. Beyond that there has been nothing really to suggest they're anything beyond an army of pseudo-Librarians.
We know nothing about whatever these new guys are. There's speculation right now, based off the way "Rise of the Primarch" ended that they are Guilliman creating new "super Marines".
You are correct about Deathwatch but no, Grey Knights are form with the most purest humans in the galaxy, totally incorruptible, all of them have high psychic powers and are trained levels beyond the normal Astartes.
Training != Superhuman
Assassins are trained to absurd levels, does that make them superhuman?
They are too specialiced against daemon but even against a non demon enemy they are superior, generally speaking, to normal Astartes.
Again, see the bit on training != superhuman.
Grey Knights don't detract from the "coolness" of Marines.
Deathwatch, if anything, enhance the coolness of Marines seeing as how y'know...they're just normal Marines seconded to an organization...
Well, to me, the fact that all of them are pyshics, and the rumours that their geneseed just like the one of the custodes comes from the Emperor themselve, put them as Super Duper Humans, but I think we just disagree in the definition of Superhuman.
And before anyone jump to conclusions, I too dislikes this "New super space marines", if they are introduced as a new generation of regular marines but superior, because it push down every other thing in the setting down in the feed chain of the universe. And if marines have "new super marines" then other factions will have too their "new super X". Personally I don't like that.
There is no such thing as "the geneseed to custodes". Each Custode was crafted by the Emperor (and only the Emperor), but I'm sure GW can retcon that despite just releasing a HH book about it! Better Marines also make no sense since again only the Emperor can create new stable geneseed for Marines (there isn't some vial labled Primarch DNA)
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Crimson wrote: I find it really interesting that they have completely normal Ultramarine tactical squad markings.
It kind of gives some hope, doesn't it? If these nu-marines are going to be the new standard, then it will be one hell of a shakeup for a lot of people and how good they will end up being remains to be seen, but it is a hell of a lot better than if these new giant marines are just some new elite-elite-elite super-special Guilliman marines.
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I prefer too if this new marines is just a re-scale to substitute the marines we have now. Yes, it will "suck" to many people because they will be out of scale with the rest of their army but:
1-I'm sure in Ebay anybody would find thousands of marines really, really cheap
2-You can mix them and have shorter and taller marines
The only thing that makes me sad about a re-scale in the marines range is that it will make beautiful Character sculps look very short in comparasion.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
I kind of hope they aren't a new type of marine. As someone with limited resources who hid a bunch of the current Marines I still personally wouldn't mind replacing them entirely with more properly scaled figures. Personally this is in large part due to that I would hate to see current chapters and characters I like suddenly seeming "second rate"
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Ahtman wrote: I don't mind the idea of more size appropriate Marines but on the other hand I have 60ish Power Armor marines that aren't embiggened (it is a word, just ask the Simpsons) and I'm not keen on Super Duper Uber Humans as opposed to the normal Super Humans.
it's a perfectly cromulent word.
Anyway, I do like quite a few things about the specific nu-marine - I like the rail on his bolter from the previous thread, some of the wrist detail. The scale creep also concerns me though, but my guess is also that these will be some kind of Guillemarines, Still, one thing GWS much have noticed is the little timmies love big robots and marines, and they've been delivering a lot of the former so I imagine it's time for more of the latters.
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I was just commenting on the pic that we'll soon playing with action figures if the scale keeps going up. But 
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