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There is generic terrain. All craters are generic. As are all natural terrain features like rivers, hills, and trees.

 cuda1179 wrote:
There is generic terrain. All craters are generic. As are all natural terrain features like rivers, hills, and trees.

I'll concede you craters and other things like rock formations, but even plants and the like are obviously "terran" in nature, the "generic" ones. Then you have stuff like the new eldar ruins and xeno plants.

I was told that there is more sector mechanicus stuff coming with the rerelease of Killteam to replace the cities of death buildings

 Rolsheen wrote:
I was told that there is more sector mechanicus stuff coming with the rerelease of Killteam to replace the cities of death buildings

The Cities of Death buildings are great. Then need expanded, not ended.

More buildings/terrain will be released with Kill Team but only some (one) will be Sector Mechanicus - the balance will be that new Gothic Ruins stuff.
As for replacing Cities of Death… it might happen but I reckon it’s more likely that all CoD stuff goes to Direct Only as there’s no actual need to retire the moulds completely at this time.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The more I look at it, the more I like it.

Just a shame I don’t play Pointy Ears!

I wouldn't call it a shame, Mad Doc - more a sign that you may be a gentleman of singular taste and discretion...

 Rolsheen wrote:
... to replace the cities of death buildings

No!

This popped up on the 40k Facebook page. It seems highly likely that we will get the Deathwatch codex up for preorder next weekend.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
You mean linking terrain to armies, rather than just 'generic terrain'?

Yes.

Like the boat thing with the recent fish elf release.

I haven't heard anything about the existing kits going away or anything.

 reds8n wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
You mean linking terrain to armies, rather than just 'generic terrain'?

Yes.

Like the boat thing with the recent fish elf release.

I haven't heard anything about the existing kits going away or anything.

I hope they don't. I need like three more Manufactorums for my table. I am definitely in favor of other armies getting themed terrain though. I want to make an alien landscape table too.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/04/29/the-leviadon-emerges-legends-return-and-the-deathwatch-strike/
Deathwatch confirmed for next weekend.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I hope they don't. I need like three more Manufactorums for my table. I am definitely in favor of other armies getting themed terrain though. I want to make an alien landscape table too.

You may be interested in knowing that the Basilica Administratum just went Direct Only, leaving the Manufactorum as the last of these three kits available to stores individually. So if you're looking for it at a discount be aware that the Manufactorum may very well follow the same path and disappear from stores shelves in the near future.

Also note that the Imperial Sector is also still available.

Chikout wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/04/29/the-leviadon-emerges-legends-return-and-the-deathwatch-strike/
Deathwatch confirmed for next weekend.

No DW Primaris Lieutenant and upgrade sprue?

So what are we thinking, like with Normie Marines vs Primaris in C:SM the Fortis KT's get slightly better basic profiles & loadouts, but essentially no customisation? Meh.

Also - very disappointing to see that Warhammer Legends is basically just a rebranding of Made to Order releases for AoS.

We already knew that's what Warhammer Legends was, though...

GoatboyBeta wrote:

Chikout wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/04/29/the-leviadon-emerges-legends-return-and-the-deathwatch-strike/
Deathwatch confirmed for next weekend.

No DW Primaris Lieutenant and upgrade sprue?

It seems so. I hoped for atleast a Primaris Lieutenant as with DA and BA.

 Platuan4th wrote:
We already knew that's what Warhammer Legends was, though...

I for one thought that seeing as they gave it a whole different name it would be different to made to order in some way. Now I'm more confused by it than anything.

Tonhel wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

Chikout wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/04/29/the-leviadon-emerges-legends-return-and-the-deathwatch-strike/
Deathwatch confirmed for next weekend.

No DW Primaris Lieutenant and upgrade sprue?

It seems so. I hoped for atleast a Primaris Lieutenant as with DA and BA.

I am holding out hope that they still have more to announce. Otherwise, I guess you could just replace the DA/BA Primaris LT shoulder pauldrons with a DW pauldrons, but that is kinda boring. It is what I am going to do so I can have a reason to get the DA LT though.

Hm, so a military organization that is built upon integrating a myriad of fighting styles and weapon training can't find any way to do integrate primaris with non primaris (which both go through space marine training).

Glad to see the deathwatch armory is controlled by quartermaster GW sales team.

Maybe. But if it allows you to run 5 man Primaris “tactical squads” with 4 Intercessors and a Hellblaster and ObSec at no massive extra cost, it might still turn out to be the default book for people to run semi-to-non-competitive Nu-Marine lists.

Dang. A while back I bought 21 HellBlasters (got an extra one) for my Deathwatch. Now it looks like I may need to buy a ton of Intercessors to make them an optimal build.

 Kirasu wrote:
Hm, so a military organization that is built upon integrating a myriad of fighting styles and weapon training can't find any way to do integrate primaris with non primaris (which both go through space marine training).

Glad to see the deathwatch armory is controlled by quartermaster GW sales team.

Not only that, but the Veterans standout amongst their brothers in their chapters for their skill in fighting Xenos, yet as soon as they're seconded to the Deathwatch they're not allowed to use the weapons/wargear they used to fight the xenos. They also lose stuff if they're promoted within the Deathwatch. That Ravenwing biker? Can only take a power weapon. That White Scars veteran biker that became a captain in the Deathwatch? Can't take a bike any more, but gains access to a jump pack. That Blood Angels Dreadnought? Can't take his trusty Furioso Frag Cannon any more. That Deathwing Terminator can't take a plasma cannon any more. That Crimson Fist landspeeder pilot is no longer allowed to pilot landspeeders. That Blood Ravens scout marine isn't allowed on the tabletop despite multiple fluff sources having scout marines in the Deathwatch. Etc. Etc.

It's dumb. I get that they can't have access to every single piece of wargear the Imperium has to offer, but there's no reason they can't have basic choices such as biker HQs, landspeeders, or scouts.

Which is why i'm bothered by the lack of leaks for this book. Half this thread is just talking about eldar terrain. The lack of info just confirms that barely anything is changing about the Deathwatch except for gaining stratagems and Primaris killteams.

 Kirasu wrote:
Glad to see the deathwatch armory is controlled by quartermaster GW sales team.

If you thought the regular Deathwatch wargear and upgrade list was an maze of arbitrary restrictions and asinine lost modelling opportunities, wait 'til you see the Primaris Deathwatch!

What is it with Loyalist armies and wanting to have their cake and eat it too? You gotta have some restrictions on what you are allowed to bring or else you're just Codex:SM+. Be thankful your list isn't as limited as the cult legion armies.

 Arachnofiend wrote:
What is it with Loyalist armies and wanting to have their cake and eat it too? You gotta have some restrictions on what you are allowed to bring or else you're just Codex:SM+. Be thankful your list isn't as limited as the cult legion armies.

There's a pretty cavernous gap between "some restrictions" and "randomly removing basic wargear options based on a hilariously stupid interpretation of the no-model-no-rules concept". Nobody's arguing for Deathwatch Sanguinary Guard or whatever, but it would be nice to give a DW Chaplain a sodding jump pack, or to have more options on a Terminator Captain than "replace the power sword with a relic blade".

Relics, strats, special units etc, sure, those are for their respective codices, but if it's a basic bit of equipment or wargear it should be available because there's no rational reason it shouldn't be.

Deathwatch - 32 unit options, 22 if you remove the Primaris crap, not counting ForgeWorld

World Eaters - 39 options, not counting Forgeworld

Emperor's Children - 43 options, not counting ForgeWorld

Thousand Sons - 26 options, no ForgeWorld

Death Guard - 37 options, no ForgeWorld

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/04/27/may-white-dwarf-preview-27-aprgw-homepage-post-2/



The Webway Gate will be accompanying the release of Codex: Harlequins. We’re happy to confirm that this codex, alongside Codex: Deathwatch, will be out in May, and we’ll be running extensive previews on both as we get ready for them to go on pre-order.

The most exciting thing for me is the new 6mm scale wraith knight they have behind it!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The more I look at it, the more I like it.

Just a shame I don’t play Pointy Ears!

Neither do I, but I might put a broken one in the underhive ...

 Kirasu wrote:
Hm, so a military organization that is built upon integrating a myriad of fighting styles and weapon training can't find any way to do integrate primaris with non primaris (which both go through space marine training).

What do you want, their parent organization still can't figure out how to fit Primaris through the door of vehicles that somehow can carry even stuff like Centurions. Why you can't put Primaris in a Rhino (even limited to 5) or Agressors in Land Raider (which would massively drive sales of both models that are kinda garbage right now lacking important synergy) is a mystery for the ages

 Arachnofiend wrote:
What is it with Loyalist armies and wanting to have their cake and eat it too? You gotta have some restrictions on what you are allowed to bring or else you're just Codex:SM+. Be thankful your list isn't as limited as the cult legion armies.

Yawn. SM dreadnought can take 15+ weapon options in every single SM book. It can take three options in DW book. Go on, please explain how it makes sense for elite organization that has access to every single weapon in the Imperium to be barred from taking such "rare" and "complex" technology as missile launcher or autocannon that even primitive IG regiments from backward worlds can take in droves. Just try to make up something that makes even minute amount of sense. They are already massively limited because they can only take 2 out of more than 15+ dreadnoughts SM have access to, and the ones DW can take are by far the worst of the bunch, not even option to take special DW ammo for them...

Then take DW vanguard veteran box, stare at the instruction telling you how to make DW veteran with relic blade, then at sprue containing said relic blade, then do explain how Phil Kelly's incompetence that deleted all sergeant options from DW vanguard veteran rules that again, doesn't allow them to take multiple bits that are right there on the sprues, makes any sense. Also, guess what they get in compensation for this? ZERO. Big fat zero, not even option to take DW specific stuff like xenophase blades or melta fists, because frakk logic, it wouldn't make sense to give DW melee unit access to actual DW melee weapons, am I right?

To put things in the perspective for you, if the above examples are not enough, imagine GW prints World Eater book, with Berserkers only ever allowed to take a laspistol and chansword combo. Why not? Because as you said, they can't be just "CSM+" so they need to have "some restrictions", eh?

 zend wrote:
Deathwatch - 32 unit options, 22 if you remove the Primaris crap, not counting ForgeWorld

World Eaters - 39 options, not counting Forgeworld

Emperor's Children - 43 options, not counting ForgeWorld

Thousand Sons - 26 options, no ForgeWorld

Death Guard - 37 options, no ForgeWorld

Do I need to keep re-posting this until you people get it?

This is the issue we're talking about.