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 Monkeysloth wrote:
I think the no SG stuff would work if they actually did something like Batman or Mythic Battles with a ton of stuff for your $120 instead of a game for $80 that looked like any normal retail box.

Yeah, I don't quite get the 35 models for 80 bucks level value. That just sounds like a normal game not on Kickstarter. It starts a screaming argument every time it's mentioned, but we've seen multiple companies forget the necessity of value in these campaigns, and they all seem to have been a step backward for them. I think value is actually a really big deal for a large majority of KS customers.

At $80 shipped, it's a better value, but 35 models for $100 shipped is not a good value
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but it's not meant to be a ks for minis, it's for a game

(although I agree if you're only interested in the minis this isn't for you)

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
but it's not meant to be a ks for minis, it's for a game

(although I agree if you're only interested in the minis this isn't for you)

The thing is you can buy really great tabletop games for 20 to 40 dollars retail. I think that's an awkward fit for consumers, they charge you $50 more because it has miniatures, but its not REALLY all about the minis. It's an established game with fans who know they want it, but otherwise it's an awkward fit.

Seeing the price breakdown that Monolith gave they're loosing money at $80 partly because of all the cardboard and partly because they want to pay their designers more then is standard (not a bad thing).

I'm really thinking they should have gone all in with the game doing the expansions as well for $120 and just doubling all the minis just for the sake of value (as it costs them very little to add extras in their own words). Or not done a game that they're emotionally attached too and want to keep true to it's original version that doesn't match what people expect on a KSer.

If you're not taking a game to retail why make it a retail style box with none of the extras you see in a standard KSer?

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
but it's not meant to be a ks for minis, it's for a game

Then they should have gone direct to retail.

And the game itself should have been better.

As it is, they have a non-KS game on KS that is deflating any hype that might have been.

At the rate things are going, they're going from $800+k pledged down to finish under $700k:

What do you mean “the game itself should’ve been better”? I’ve seen nothing but praise for the original. This isn’t aimed at miniature hoarders, believe it or not people pledge tons of money for games with nothing but cardboard and wood all the time... but as a two-player only game it’s pretty niche.

Ya, the game is pretty good and the new miniatures look top notch.

It's fair to say the deal should have been better.

 Mymearan wrote:
What do you mean “the game itself should’ve been better”?

Sorry, the game offer (i.e. what's inside the box) should have been better.

So this has now ended, 7712 pledges claimed of 10,000




so it looks like for a well advertised project like this a 'no stretch goal 'buy it now'' product needs an even shorter duration than 10 days

but on the other hand it has done pretty well as almost 8000 backers for a 'reprint' even a revised of a 2 player only game that didn't offer great value for those who just want to grab the minis and dump the game, one is still fairly strong performance

Timing might also be an issue. If I had a pledge in this campaign, I would have yanked it to use the funds on Black Friday sales.

...or on Blackstone Fortress.

(Which is kind of what I ended up doing.)

Welp campaign is over with around 2300 not sold. Wonder what will be inferred by this from Monolith's PoV as I'm sure they're assessment would be different then ours.

More importantly... (:

Our next Kickstarter campaigns:
* Batman Gotham City Chronicles 2: in the course of 2019
* Mythic Battles: Ragnarok: end of the year 2019

If you wanted generic horror mini's, you had plenty of KS to choose from.

Literally the only reason I did not get one of these updated sets is that I need to finish out my collections of a couple of other games that are starting to be hard to find expansions for.

The value is there for the price they are asking. Just becuase it doesn't come with 100 miniatures doesn't mean the value isnt there. I fell for that once with Sedition Wars, not gonna happen again. Good mechanics in a fun game is just as valuable as a truckload of plastic that's likely never gonna get cleaned up and painted.

I enjoyed the original and had backed this tentatively, but Blackstone and the lure of Kingdom Death black friday goodies is much stronger unfortunately.

Also with Reich Busters this week, as well as Relic Blades and probably a whole slew of other things, plus the usual BF sales... something had to give.

In Claustrophobia's defense, it wasn't the only pledge I had to drop (and feel a twang of remorse as I know it'll be hard to get later on if my fancy changes).

"We didn't sell them all last time, so you guys should seriously buy them this time!" -Monolith Games (using best monster truck rally voice)

Weird art direction plus middling value keep this as a no for me.

ya, pretty sad.

(also dakka is correcting my grammar now giving me a warning there were no caps so I shouldn't post)

I've seen a fair amount of where did you get that?, I missed the KS etc on facebook so there does seem to be the demand for it (although I guess we'll see if people actually back)

I'm sure people will back it. Just knowing how the first campaign went and this one being advertised as the last 2,500 just highlights how this has now turned out the way Monolith wanted.

Nothing about this stops it from being a good game, just like the 1st edition was.

It's a great game. All the more reason it's sad how the relaunch went