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There's a 10% code this weekend for the US$ price - thanksgiving2011 code actually, and there's a Corporation army list coming to the newsletter according to Alessio Cavatore:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZqvD73sqWU&feature=channel_video_title

They're more secretive than GW was until very recently, and the only news we've got is a list of all the things we wanted that we aren't getting.

Plastic Corp troopers? No.

Plastic Resin is plastic and, having been to the launch party, the sculpts are more varied and easily more convertable with more options. Plastic Resin stormtroopers for £15? Hello.

Female Corp troopers? No.

You wanted these - no one else wanted Mantic to go bankrupt.

Plastic vehicles? No.

Plastic Resin is plastic. Other vehicles in resin to offer more choice... fine. Give's Mantic the money to build cheap infantry.

They're even feigning ignorance about the Veermyn.
Gerbils in space... didn't you hear?

Black Nexus wrote:Plastic Resin is plastic...

It's not the type of plastic that actually provides the primary benefits of plastic, like economies of scale. Hence why they're £15 for 10 instead of £8-10.

...having been to the launch party, the sculpts are more varied and easily more convertable with more options.

Which gets back to the problem of secrecy. They sell internationally and operate out of a webstore, but they still expect people to be within spitting distance of the boss before they'll reveal this sort of stuff.

Female Corp troopers? No.

You wanted these - no one else wanted Mantic to go bankrupt.

An opinon you base on no evidence whatsoever, which is the whole problem. Me, I can't wait until this 19th century bs is left to die in the gutter where it belongs.

Secrecy?

We currently have the next 4 months worth of releases, stated in order, by the mantic staff.. beyond that point, Mantic has nothing solid themselves.

Here's the list, copy+pasted straight from Nightsword's post over on WS:

News then:

- Corporation Army List on Friday for those subscribed to the newsletter.
- Journal 5 coming for those subscribed to the newsletter shortly.
- Thanksgiving/Black Friday/Cyber Monday 10% discount code and final shipping dates (check your newsletter for the code).
- Pathfinder volunteer demo teams - people to champion Mantic at shows, stores and retailers by enthusiastically demoing the product. 6 UK Pathfinders being trialled at the moment as the systems are put in place. With Warpath and Christmas, we're not looking at any more until January.
- DKH: Ancient Grudge in January
- Twilight Kin, Goblins and a Forge Father set in February?
- Corporation Badasses in March
- Veermyn are miniature giant space gerbils in space with big space guns fighting on a big space moon made of green cheese... in spaaace. Probably.

They're not GW, they don't operate 18-24 months in advance, it's more like 3-6 months. Also, we currently know what GW are releasing in December and.. that's it.

I'm not sure what else mantic could do to make you like them, besides removing mini previews from their events, something which is genuinely enjoyable for the people who do attend, and I don't think should be stopped just to placate a internet minority that is offended by it.

I personally find the whole Veermyn thing pretty cool... I really have no idea what the hell is going on with this now that Mantic is publically mocking the space-gerbils idea we all had.

In other news:

A number of Kings of War troop boxes are being discontinued in the New Year and we’ve dropped the RRP on the following sets:
- Undead Skeleton Troop
- Undead Revenant Troop
- Elves Spearmen Troop
- Elves Bowmen Troop
- Dwarf Ironclad Troop

All of the above have now had a price reduction of 25%.

AlexHolker wrote:

Black Nexus wrote:Plastic Resin is plastic...

It's not the type of plastic that actually provides the primary benefits of plastic, like economies of scale. Hence why they're £15 for 10 instead of £8-10.

... and you can't glue it with plastic cement, another evidence that it is not plastic.

From what I can tell, it is plastic, just spin-cast, high-impact polystyrene, and it's the production process used that prevents poly cement from working... the end result is way too hard and "shiny" for poly cement to work.

Resin plastic is just the trade name mantic use so that their customers don't get confused when plastic glue doesn't work on the models.

Here's another example of spin-cast plastic, that is plastic, but you can't use plastic glue on it:

http://trollforged.wordpress.com/2011/06/28/trollcast/

There's videos on there and quite a lot of info about the product process on that site if anyone's interested. It looks to be very similar to the sort of thing that mantic is doing.

Ahrg.... folks never get plastics right....

What generally is called plastics are thermoplasts, but there are also duroplasts which generally are called resin. There is a third kind of plasts that generally is called rubber.

Problem is: That is really one big generaliziation people use!

Technically they are all plastics/plasts. They only differ in their atomic structure and by which they are put into one of the three boxes.

Mantics restic is somewhere in between thermoplast and duroplast but more on the thermoplast side. So technically it is plastic. And it is also closer to "GW-plastic" than to "FW-resin".

BTW, there are thousands of variations among the three plast-maingroups. There is actually no such thing as The Plastic or The Resin.

Duncan_Idaho wrote:Ahrg.... folks never get plastics right....

You're missing the point. It doesn't matter whether restic is technically a plastic or not. What matters is whether it has the positive attributes we associate with polystyrene (i.e. "plastic") models.

So what "positive attributes" did you think were missing from the Plastic Resin set you've got and which set was it?

Mantics restic is somewhere in between thermoplast and duroplast but more on the thermoplast side. So technically it is plastic. And it is also closer to "GW-plastic" than to "FW-resin".

QFT. It's a similar material to what Privateer call Plastic too.

Which gets back to the problem of secrecy. They sell internationally and operate out of a webstore, but they still expect people to be within spitting distance of the boss before they'll reveal this sort of stuff.

There is no secrecy. Corporation are 5 months away - you know it's coming. You know you'll get a sneak peak on Christmas Day. You'll get an army list today, which I'm sure will leave us in no doubt about the first kits could be. The early-preview at the shows is a benefit of going to see them at a convention. Much like early demos of console games at E4 or closed preview film screenings.

An opinon you base on no evidence whatsoever, which is the whole problem.

Only what I've read - It's pretty niche, you have to admit.

Me, I can't wait until this 19th century bs is left to die in the gutter where it belongs.

Uh, quite...

Just as a friendly observation Black Nexus, it helps if you use quotes in your posts, otherwise it looks like someone with some kind of split personality disorder having a conversation with themselves

You're missing the point. It doesn't matter whether restic is technically a plastic or not. What matters is whether it has the positive attributes we associate with polystyrene (i.e. "plastic" models.

It does matter big time. And it has most of the positive attributes.

> OK, it does not melt together when using poly-glue, but using GF9 cyanoglue gives me a good connection and if I really am obsessed with melting there are also glues that do this to restic... (but are a little bit harder to obtain i.e. you need to order/get them in a hobby shop that has glues for motorized models)

> It does not snap as easily as polystyrene and if out of form is easily bent back with the help of cold and hot water.

> And it is cheaper to produce than poly.

Alex, you seem to look for problems where there are non.... in several forums.

Just as a friendly observation Black Nexus, it helps if you use quotes in your posts, otherwise it looks like someone with some kind of split personality disorder having a conversation with themselves

Wouldn't be the first time someone's mentioned split personality to me XD

Looks like the Thanksgiving2011 code has risen to 15% and finished tomorrow.

scarletsquig wrote:Twilight Kin pics are live, plastic/metal hybrids based on the elves. 6 copies of the army deal are on sale this weekend only for £99 before a full release next February... they've had these sculpts knocking around for a while now, so the delay might be due to them planning to replace the metal components with resin plastic to lower the price. But for now, it looks like they've already made a few in metal that they want to shift.

Turned out pretty well I think, I like them a lot more than the regular elves, they sort out the weird spears, improve the heads, and the cloaks add some bulk to the models.

Overall, I think it's because the basic elf models are more suitable for dark elves in the first place, with their barbed, layered armour and shields.

Good colour scheme for a change, too!

Those are shockingly good for Mantic models. I love them.

Looks like the first sighting of Corporation Concept Sketches on the mantic site: http://www.manticblog.com/?p=4928

EDITED: As has been brought to my attention, these are Elysian clones, not Cadian clones.

Here's the pics






If that isn't a GW Elysian proxy, then I've never seen one. Same degree of armor (helmet and breasplate) They even managed to get the traditional downward-sloping-sleeve-over-tube Lasgun barrel end and the Elysian style lasgun body.

I mean this in the best possible way. If I didn't already have an IG army and a couple of other human sci-fi forces, these would be in the running!

In other news...

LordMarcus and Scorpio.au,
I forgot to mention it earlier, but thanks for the heads up about mantic international shipping! I changed the currency and the shipping went down so ordered 100 of the warpath bases for my self and a friend who have old Metal Magic figs. If they work out I'll definitley be spreading the news, as there's probably a fair number of gamers with figs attached to these kind of round integral bottoms that would like to know about these bases.

Eilif wrote:If that isn't a GW cadian proxy, then I've never seen one.

Elysian Guard proxy to be precise
Well, at least these Mantic SciFi miniatures don't wear skirts and swords

Kroothawk wrote:

Eilif wrote:If that isn't a GW cadian proxy, then I've never seen one.

Elysian Guard proxy to be precise
Well, at least these Mantic SciFi miniatures don't wear skirts and swords

Spoiler:

Wow, I actually thought of Elysian droptroopers when I first saw them, but I didn't realize they were quite so close! I forsee many Elysian armies in the years to come!

The concept art is nice, but that means little in the end. If the price and quality are right, I'd be very interested. No company out there now makes good generic scifi infantry in plastic. Now, this is Mantic, so I won't hold my breath, but there is real potential here.

Going over the Corporation army list I can't help but think.. Imperial Guard, right down to the unit types.

Could anyone give a link to the corporation army list?

Here you go!

Try this link

http://gallery.mailchimp.com/e62f0c35454fa3ba687404d69/files/Corporation_1stEd.1.pdf?utm_source=Mantic+Games+Newsletter&utm_campaign=c6d9372b2e-Mantic_Games_Newsletter_121&utm_medium

It really is the IG. There's almost no units whose stats and armnament does not directly correllate to an IG unit.

Still, now that there are generic human stats as well as two other lists, maybe I can get my club to give it a try.

Maurader stats for my Void Junkers
Corporation stats for my IG
Could be a fun game.

Thank you both!

If even half of those get released, I'll be a happy man.

There's few things lacking that are in IG codex:
Subhumans, commissars, psykers and priests. Otherwise, pretty IG substitutes.

Hopefully the troop transport is one of the earlier releases. I can't stand the chimeras.

Those concepts are extremely 40k'ish! Right down to the laser weaponry which, frankly is a copy. No complaint from me though, I like me some proxie models!

Here's hoping that the boxed sets will be a good bargain. Having to use super glue is already a pain in the ass, if the price isn't enough of a deal it's a no go for me.

These corporation type miniatures might be the best thing mantic has done yet. Given how close they get their final models to their concept art, I'm actually excited about these.

I think the thing I like best is that they're not so "out there" compared to mantic's other products.

Compiled list of Corporation rumours:

- March 2012 release date.

- 4 Resin Plastic Kits (probably the 4 different infantry options in the list)

- Metal Commander with ipad-thingy.

- All models will have seperate interchangeable heads and arms.

- There will be a £50 army box as usual, exact number of models unconfirmed, but will include bunch of basic marines, one unit of elites, one unit of heavy weapons. So, all-infantry and likely to offer substantial savings on the usual RRP.

- Pricing on the elite troops (the ones with lots of different extra bitz included in the kit) is confirmed at £15 for 10.

[rampant speculation]
No word on any other pricing, stands to reason that the basic troopers with fewer components will be cheaper than the elites.

Mantic has produced Resin plastics at really low price points before (orc gore riders at £2/model for *big* cavalry), so while I'd put my best guess at £12.50 for 10 on the basic troops, I can't rule out mantic going all-out and hitting the £10 for 10 mark on them.
[/rampant speculation]

Oh, and by the way, those concept sketches are the work of Mike McVey. Anyone who has any knowledge of Studio McVey's releases knows that when it comes to designing sci-fi humans, this guy has had more than a little practice at getting them downright bloody perfect.

Also worth noting at this point that people who have seen the Corporation models at the Warpath open day have said that the models look exactly like the sketches.

Well they failed us with the ORX with having awesome concept art then models that looked no where as good as the concept art...

Considering they are just making exact copies of FW's models, it should be pretty hard to screw these up. They might have been better launching their SciFi system on these and let the hybrid 'fantasy with goggles' be secondary product lines.

I am unsure if Mantic's business model can handle kits that are not dual purpose for both fantasy and sci-fi... Unless they plan to somehow make these medieval humans by swapping the chestplate for a poofy pirate shirt or something.

Those will be great and perfect, as all the pre-warpath products from mantic, they know it is a type of "last chance" for their sci-fi set. What make me mad is the lack of plastic, but we know it is not their fault.

Expect this to be great and cheap. Or else, Mantic will just be diying slowly...

Well it looks like that the idea of an Elysian drop trooper army might become a reality for many people!

Also worth noting at this point that people who have seen the Corporation models at the Warpath open day have said that the models look exactly like the sketches.

Great stuff! Roll on March 2012

Well they failed us with the ORX with having awesome concept art then models that looked no where as good as the concept art...

Ahh Nkelsch I recognised your name from the Waaagh forum

Am I the only person who likes the concept of the Mantic Orx? :(

Thanks for these. There are quite a few I hadn't heard before.

scarletsquig wrote:Compiled list of Corporation rumours:
- All models will have seperate interchangeable heads and arms.
- There will be a £50 army box as usual, exact number of models unconfirmed, but will include bunch of basic marines, one unit of elites, one unit of heavy weapons. So, all-infantry and likely to offer substantial savings on the usual RRP.

Very good news. Mantic does have a good history with making boxes and bundles at good deals

- Pricing on the elite troops (the ones with lots of different extra bitz included in the kit) is confirmed at £15 for 10.

This is not a good thing. that's about $23 USD for 10 figs. By way of comparison, you can get metal guardsmen types form Megaminis or EM4 for those prices. The sculpts are more dated of course, but it's metal!

Sure you might get more options than the cadian kit, but what you're really getting is a slight price break on Guardsmen in exchange for not being able to use them in GW stores or tourneys. This is especially disapointing since whether playing 40k or Warpath, you are going to need a ton of these guys.

[rampant speculation]
No word on any other pricing, stands to reason that the basic troopers with fewer components will be cheaper than the elites.

Mantic has produced Resin plastics at really low price points before (orc gore riders at £2/model for *big* cavalry), so while I'd put my best guess at £12.50 for 10 on the basic troops, I can't rule out mantic going all-out and hitting the £10 for 10 mark on them.
[/rampant speculation]

Really they would have to shoot for the low price to really make them truely attractive to the GW crowd they market most of their stuff towards.

Oh, and by the way, those concept sketches are the work of Mike McVey. Anyone who has any knowledge of Studio McVey's releases knows that when it comes to designing sci-fi humans, this guy has had more than a little practice at getting them downright bloody perfect. Also worth noting at this point that people who have seen the Corporation models at the Warpath open day have said that the models look exactly like the sketches.

This is a good thing. Studio McVey does excellent work, the closer they can get them to McVey's vision the better, IMO.

Is there any word on whether Corporation will eventually see release in plastic when the casters get themselves in order?