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If it goes on like this, we will have to wait 4 years for Warpath to have its first original idea and another 4 years until it can be considered an alternative to GW products. Hope Mantic has the money to wait that long. Now compare that to the start of AT-43 with unique high quality products from the start.

Of course, look what happened to AT-43...

I have to go with Polonious on this one. Making GW-compatible products is probably a good strategy for building a company like Mantic. It's a solid way to build a customer base and an income stream.

The real question is if/when (yeah, it might take 4 years) they release something truely original, will it sell or will people just pass it by and wait for more GW-compatible products?

There is a definite chance that they are painting themselves into a corner here.

Polonius wrote:Of course, look what happened to AT-43...

That's my point. Starting with high quality products doesn't guarantee success (although AT-43 WAs successful for a time and maybe too successful for their production facilities). But starting with almost no design and high prices ...

Guess we can write off the first two races as copies of their Fantasy lines barely converted to SciFi. The third race is copy-paste of Elysian Guard, again with no effort of a unique design. Guess we will see a run-of-the-mill bug race next.

Hey kroot, as a costumer that dont believe in Mantic "originality" anymore, i dont see any of those things as bad. And i really want to see the "Space Elves" from Mantic.

Additionally, some bugs who looks like bugs would be awesome...

Kroothawk wrote:

Polonius wrote:Of course, look what happened to AT-43...

That's my point. Starting with high quality products doesn't guarantee success (although AT-43 WAs successful for a time and maybe too successful for their production facilities). But starting with almost no design and high prices ...

Guess we can write off the first two races as copies of their Fantasy lines barely converted to SciFi. The third race is copy-paste of Elysian Guard, again with no effort of a unique design. Guess we will see a run-of-the-mill bug race next.

I wouldn't say a rumored 1 GBP per standard infantry trooper (equal to a secion - 10 man squad - for 10 pounds) is a high price.

lord marcus wrote:I wouldn't say a rumored 1 GBP per standard infantry trooper (equal to a secion - 10 man squad - for 10 pounds) is a high price.

There is no such rumour. Scarletsquig outright said it was rampant speculation.

AlexHolker wrote:

lord marcus wrote:I wouldn't say a rumored 1 GBP per standard infantry trooper (equal to a secion - 10 man squad - for 10 pounds) is a high price.

There is no such rumour. Scarletsquig outright said it was rampant speculation.

Even if it is true, it's an acceptable price at best. $1.50 USD per trooper is getting closer to GW prices, heck it's more than GW prices from when plastic guard were first released. My worry is that since these are plastiresin, the price could be closer to 2 bucks a piece and at that point many folks will just pay a few cents more per fig and go GW.

Still, it's all speculation for now...

Eilif wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:

lord marcus wrote:I wouldn't say a rumored 1 GBP per standard infantry trooper (equal to a secion - 10 man squad - for 10 pounds) is a high price.

There is no such rumour. Scarletsquig outright said it was rampant speculation.

Even if it is true, it's an acceptable price at best. $1.50 USD per trooper is getting closer to GW prices, heck it's more than GW prices from when plastic guard were first released. My worry is that since these are plastiresin, the price could be closer to 2 bucks a piece and at that point many folks will just pay a few cents more per fig and go GW.

Still, it's all speculation for now...

Here in Australia its $6.00 AUD for a space marine. So if i can get them from maelstrom or somewhere with free shipping, then 1.50 is great.

Here in Canada, we're looking at $4.00 CAD for each miniature for a lot of GW's 40k products. $1.50 is indeed a great price.

I'm not going to get excited nor bent out of shape for the Corporate Guard until we have the actual product on show. Not Original? Sure, but who cares? Elysians aren't an incredibly original concept either - they're just a more realistic take on the same tropes as the Cadians. Sure the helmets are similar insofar as the look with the visor, but the rest is pretty generic. The weapons (both Elysian and Corp) follow the same general style as the FAMAS or various versions of the G36 with the carry handle. Nothing to get too fussed about.

ChocolateGork wrote:

Eilif wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:

lord marcus wrote:I wouldn't say a rumored 1 GBP per standard infantry trooper (equal to a secion - 10 man squad - for 10 pounds) is a high price.

There is no such rumour. Scarletsquig outright said it was rampant speculation.

Even if it is true, it's an acceptable price at best. $1.50 USD per trooper is getting closer to GW prices, heck it's more than GW prices from when plastic guard were first released. My worry is that since these are plastiresin, the price could be closer to 2 bucks a piece and at that point many folks will just pay a few cents more per fig and go GW.

Still, it's all speculation for now...

Here in Australia its $6.00 AUD for a space marine. So if i can get them from maelstrom or somewhere with free shipping, then 1.50 is great.

Right now i perfectly understand the new pricing policies of Mantic...

The problem with Elif's thoughts is that although it would possibly be more than GW plastics when they were released, these plastiresin figs have (speculating here) more poses - looking at the concepts - as well as more detail (end speculation)


It seems to be, especially for those in australia wanting a guard army, that these will work wonderfully as an alternative.

Looks like there's going to be quite a few different tiers of price/quality to choose from.

a) Sub-£0.90 Defiance Games/ WGF/ eM4 - Budget #1 priority, but if you personally think they look better than any of the alternatives, then you're going to be *really* happy with them.

b) £1.10/model monopose GW cadians - Good for bulk, ideally need to be mixed with option d or e to work.

c) £1-£1.50/model Mantic - "Somewhere in the middle" pricing. *Needs* the quality to approach forgeworld levels to really succeed. "Somewhere in the middle" sculpt quality will not make them stand out against the other options.

d) £1.80/model GW Plastics - Bit of a weak option, kits are showing their age compared to the newer heavy weapon and command sprues. Price rises have hurt these a lot, I bought my catachan army when the models cost 60p each, and for that price they were awesome.

e) £3+/model Forge world/ Vostroyans/ GW plastic but using command squads for basic troops as much as possible - money no concern, sculpt quality/style everything.

I am personally continuing with my high expectations for the Corp. I want mantic to produce models that are on a par with option e) in terms of sculpt quality, variety of poses, customization, and component count (as a whole, across the 4 different infantry kits that are being released).

I had the same hopes for the forgefathers, and it was the restrictive plastic tooling (to keep the pricing low) that let down an otherwise excellent release. With an all resin-plastic Corp release, they have zero restrictions to take into account, the resin plastic material can even do undercuts!

It all comes down to the quality/ price comparison in the end...

Also, FYI to the posters above - Mantic's "8th race" will be released next year and will apparently be an entirely unique and new Mantic army.

Anyway, more news!

Corporation Commander concept art:

A comment from the Warpath Open day a couple of weeks ago, that I think may have been missed?

“This is all of course setting up Dwarf Kings Hold…In Spaaaaaaace which is planned for Warpath. Corporation Vs ’8th Race’ in the confines of huge asteroids mined out by the Forge Fathers, both in pursuit of the same precious resource. But that is for another day…”

Dwarf King's Hold was excellent fun so am looking forward to this, especially if it is at a similar price!

scarletsquig wrote:
b) £1.10/model monopose GW cadians - Good for bulk, ideally need to be mixed with option d or e to work.

Do you have a link to this? I couldn't find it on GW's website or on eBay. The regular Cadians comes to $4.20 (£3.64) each here in Canada.

d) £1.80/model GW Plastics - Bit of a weak option, kits are showing their age compared to the newer heavy weapon and command sprues. Price rises have hurt these a lot, I bought my catachan army when the models cost 60p each, and for that price they were awesome.

You can still get them for £1.80 each? No wonder GW is trying to price control by geography.

I am personally continuing with my high expectations for the Corp. I want mantic to produce models that are on a par with option e) in terms of sculpt quality, variety of poses, customization, and component count (as a whole, across the 4 different infantry kits that are being released).

I agree. I've always wanted a force of human grunt sci-fi guys. I played Catachans 10 years ago, but I don't think they count.

With an all resin-plastic Corp release, they have zero restrictions to take into account, the resin plastic material can even do undercuts!

That's true. I have some menoth heavy jacks to build and they are things of beauty. The crusader's mace makes you go "how did they do that!?". I hop Mantic really uses the medium to it's full potential on these.

Corporation Commander concept art:

Thanks for posting this!

frozenwastes wrote:Do you have a link to this? I couldn't find it on GW's website or on eBay. The regular Cadians comes to $4.20 (£3.64) each here in Canada.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1400022

scarletsquig wrote:
b) £1.10/model monopose GW cadians - Good for bulk, ideally need to be mixed with option d or e to work.

What are these? I'm unfamiliar with any monopose Cadians...

Kroothawk linked them. They're a box of 5 Cadians for $8 or thereabouts, and are built similar to the AoBR Marines where the weapons 'plug' in.

oh.. okay. Cheap way to bulk out some platoons, I guess.

See the post above your post.

Yeah, we already did that.

Sorry, took me 90 seconds to answer

I think the Corporation miniatures will find a nice place on that continuum of price/quality.

Those monopose Cadians are not worth the price. I'd go EM4 for sure before I went with those.

frozenwastes wrote:I think the Corporation miniatures will find a nice place on that continuum of price/quality.

Those monopose Cadians are not worth the price. I'd go EM4 for sure before I went with those.

Agreed

And that concept looks like a great creed.

http://www.manticgames.com/Shop-Home/Kings-of-War/Army-Bundles/Mega-armies.html

The Ultimate Mega-Armies are limited edition set and ends on the 1st December. Also for a limited time only, get your mega-army for one outstanding price until the 21st December. Don't miss it!
Mantic's Fantasy Mega-armies are best way of starting out with Mantic or expanding an existing collection quickly as they contain massive amounts of plastic figures - complete armies in a box! These sets also contain the 56 page free 2nd edition Kings of War rules in the box, allowing you to get gaming immediately!

Bit confused over the wording of this : so.. which ones of these are no longer available then ?

Methinks they have not updated their site, I would assume the deals with "Ultimate" in their title

Dwarf King's Hold was excellent fun so am looking forward to this, especially if it is at a similar price!

Looks like there's more Dwarf King's Hold fun to be had first - they've just put up an expansion for either (or both I guess...) that let's you play more multiplayer games and some more troops choices. Some extra figures and more rooms in the box too.

Cover looks awesome:



They're holding an Ancient Grudge "week" of interviews and contents on their blog, and some new bundles and stuff are up in the shop in case anyone missed it - http://www.manticgames.com/Shop-Home/Dwarf-Kings-Hold.html

^ Yep, it includes warband builder rules with points values so you can create your own band of heroes or evil hordes to play in any of the scenarios published so far. They're also adding monsters like werewolves and trolls and characters to create boss fights in the game.

Basically, think space hulk, if it had received an expansion allowing you to use 20+ new unit types like guard and genestealer hybrids and things. Pure awesome.

It's really great what they're doing with this game, it's only been out for a year and already there's 2 expansions!

I like that it's an all-mantic product, with it's own background based in the mantic universe, and it is 100% quality with excellent artwork and minis at a decent price.

Hmm, question for those that have played it: is it appropriate for none-wargamers? My girlfriend is plenty geeky, (plays Skirim, did D&D), but I wonder if this is something that she might enjoy, especially as it's two player.