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 Pete Melvin wrote:

 flabluker wrote:
http://www.bluetablestore.com/terms-of-service/painting-levels

That SW Dread is level 6?! There is decal shine on the right (our left) shoulder pad FFS. 0/10, would not purge with.

Also notice that the barrels from both the SW dread and the DA squad aren't drilled/ not drilled properly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUGHXUjT6H8&list=UU-aSLyvFLGEmNFcGomzL47w

I like how in this video Shawn says "I'm not gonna show you the stuff thats in progress". Would that not mean that he is showing finished works by the artists?

I would recommend riping this vid as well Tenebre.

I actually had to grit my teeth there when they're talking about how much time they've been taking and they show that Bull Centaur. It's particularly bad after we've seen it fixed by Ten himself and it looks infinitely better.

How those two actually had the cheek to say they were doing good work is beyond me.

I take it the possibility of BTP not being able to pay back Ten has been raised? Perhaps they're in dire times.

 Medium of Death wrote:
I actually had to grit my teeth there when they're talking about how much time they've been taking and they show that Bull Centaur. It's particularly bad after we've seen it fixed by Ten himself and it looks infinitely better.

How those two actually had the cheek to say they were doing good work is beyond me.

I take it the possibility of BTP not being able to pay back Ten has been raised? Perhaps they're in dire times.

I was a fan of where the artist said they were up till 3AM working on the project and that it wasn't "rushing it" because "the quality is going to be there." This happens at like the 45 second mark... we all know that obviously the quality is not there...

i didnt saw it here so im leaving this cause it make me laught so hard when i saw this.....


shnauzerFaceMinis got this msg from MWG
https://www.facebook.com/SchnauzerFaceMinis/posts/823562294331166

Just got this email from MWG.
"Hey Vault Member!
I'm going to be making a video endorsing BlueTablePainting in the next couple of weeks, as they have done some fantastic work for us (and many, many others).
I'd love to include some testimonials and case studies from MiniWarGaming Vault members who have used BTP in the past.
If you have used BTP, and have had a good experience with them, please email your experience to matthew@miniwargaming.com.
I realize that some people may have had bad experiences (they do a LOT of jobs every month, so obviously there will be customers who wouldn't be happy with their work), but we're only really interested in the positive experiences for this video.
Please understand that we will only be endorsing them because we fully believe that they are a good company worth giving your business to (if you use painting commission studios).
Thanks!
Matthew (and Dave)"


looks tottaly unproffesional and odd....
cheers

I'm constantly surprised by how much sucking up there is in the Youtube comments for BTP. It's confusing. Models are bad, but comments seem to be good? I don't get it.

winterdyne wrote:
I'm constantly surprised by how much sucking up there is in the Youtube comments for BTP. It's confusing. Models are bad, but comments seem to be good? I don't get it.

Comments get deleted. People have reported this first-hand.

 YourWellPaintedArmyCom wrote:
i didnt saw it here so im leaving this cause it make me laught so hard when i saw this.....


shnauzerFaceMinis got this msg from MWG
https://www.facebook.com/SchnauzerFaceMinis/posts/823562294331166

Just got this email from MWG.
"Hey Vault Member!
I'm going to be making a video endorsing BlueTablePainting in the next couple of weeks, as they have done some fantastic work for us (and many, many others).
I'd love to include some testimonials and case studies from MiniWarGaming Vault members who have used BTP in the past.
If you have used BTP, and have had a good experience with them, please email your experience to matthew@miniwargaming.com.
I realize that some people may have had bad experiences (they do a LOT of jobs every month, so obviously there will be customers who wouldn't be happy with their work), but we're only really interested in the positive experiences for this video.
Please understand that we will only be endorsing them because we fully believe that they are a good company worth giving your business to (if you use painting commission studios).
Thanks!
Matthew (and Dave)"


looks tottaly unproffesional and odd....
cheers

That's been covered buddy. MWG followed that with a video showcasing BTP's "talents"
Said video has since been removed.

 Ansel Darach wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUGHXUjT6H8&list=UU-aSLyvFLGEmNFcGomzL47w

I like how in this video Shawn says "I'm not gonna show you the stuff thats in progress". Would that not mean that he is showing finished works by the artists?

I would recommend riping this vid as well Tenebre.

The main emphasis they are talking about for all the work was the OSL effect which OP didn't even request. I don't understand the reasoning behind BTP's decisions. It's mind boggling.

Did Tenebre request the lava?

nope. afaik he requested "more gore than a saw movie" which he, of course, did not receive.

 Ramos Asura wrote:
nope. afaik he requested "more gore than a saw movie" which he, of course, did not receive.

I believe Tenebre said in his video that he did buy lava bases (they are one of the few options for bases BTP offer). But that doesnt mean they should cover all of the models in OSL for sure.

The bases look dreadful.

There doesn't seem to be any effort made to make them not look like just chunks of cork stuck on plastic. As for the "lava", lol. Yeah, that horrid OSL just emphasizes the corkiness. It really demonstrates the absolute lack of effort and quality control put into this project.

 tenebre wrote:
i disagree 100% even at level 2, or lowest tabletop standard, i would expect a skeleton to have black holes for eyes while his skull in bone color. Whereas on my level 4+ entire upper part of model was all one color,

Oh if we're talking about a skeleton that's a different matter. Eye sockets on a skeleton are huge compared to eyes on a living 28mm human. You can paint the eye sockets in about 5 seconds per model, painting actual eyes is more time consuming and less noticeable. The only reason you wouldn't is if you washed the skull a dark brown and that was sufficient to darken the socket (since there is typically bone in the socket, it's not just a black hole, simply being a darker colour is fine).

 YourWellPaintedArmyCom wrote:
It's totally weird for me cause Im always painting eyes on minis even on base standard miniatures. If you know how to do that vry good and you have a lot of experience it's rly easy and shouldn't take more than 1-2 minutes to do that perfect. Talking that you need more time to do that is bullsheeet.
Reason why I'm doing that with my people is that we know that miniature face and base is smth around 80% of minis overlook. If you're doing it right then whole miniature looks way more better just cause of this little parts. Of course at higher standard of painting you can spend more time on face and eyes making more reflex in eye using different colours not only white and black. Another reason is that that I want to make my client happy and hope he'll come back later with more miniatures. It's normal for company. If I need do smth well for my client happiness its worth a lot more than only few pennys.
Cheers

I'm guessing your base standard is still well beyond BTP's level 4.

"Essential detail", to me, is all about context. If I have 100 guardsmen on the table and each one took me less than 30 minutes to paint... eyes are not an essential detail. You barely even see them from regular table top distances.

If I'm painting a character that I intend to be viewed close up or a monster that actually has quite large eyes, yep, I consider eyes essential.

For the 30 minute guardsmen, painting the eyes would actually increase the time it takes me to paint them considerably, because I find it quite difficult to paint the eyes when I'm speed painting the rest of the face, especially if I don't want them looking boss-eyed (which IMO looks worse than not painting them at all).

But my point was basically to stick to arguing things that aren't subjective. "Essential detail" as given for level 3 is a subjective term. "All detail" as given for a level 4 is not subjective. That's why I said save the picture of the high elves painted at level 3, as that gives you some evidence of what BTP interpret as meaning "essential detail".

"Essential" detail was level 3, not level 4. Level 4 is all detail... there was no level 3 in this commission at all.

 RiTides wrote:
"Essential" detail was level 3, not level 4. Level 4 is all detail... there was no level 3 in this commission at all.

I know... this discussion goes back to this comment made earlier...

 tenebre wrote:
saved. Notice even level 3 says all details picked out. Hence i did not even get level 3.

To say eyes are a subjective "essential" detail is a stretch, to me, but again irrelevant since everything here was level 4 or level 6... their highest offered paint level.

It's relevant because it was brought up that he didn't get a 3 because all details weren't picked out and then I pointed out they said "essential details" not "all details", the former of which is subjective.

You might call it "a stretch", but to me it entirely depends on what the model is, how much time you are spending on them and how far away you expect to view them from. Many models you can't even see the eyes when you're looking down on them in a gaming situation. Other models, like Orcs/Orks, the eyes really stand out.

"essential detail" by itself is a rather meaningless term. You could just argue the models aren't intended to be viewed from less than 24" and thus almost none of the details are essential.

(I agree that Tenebre didn't even get a level 3, I'm just trying to stick separate things that are objectively demonstrable vs things that BTP could argue and call subjective when questioned by a judge )

I don't want to burst everyone's bubbles here, but BTP did not change their scale to chisel tenebre out of his money.

They changed the scale to 10 because some of their work goes to 11.

 techsoldaten wrote:
I don't want to burst everyone's bubbles here, but BTP did not change their scale to chisel tenebre out of his money.

They changed the scale to 10 because some of their work goes to 11.

They've gone to Plaid!

 techsoldaten wrote:
I don't want to burst everyone's bubbles here, but BTP did not change their scale to chisel tenebre out of his money.

They changed the scale to 10 because some of their work goes to 11.

Its true, I counted while the miniwargaming vid was up and there where eleven(!) colours uses in that tau army. In fact there might have even been twelve.

on MWG site under live shows ...... Blue Table Painting Live
Wed, Nov 19, 3:00 PM Eastern ...just sayin

 flabluker wrote:
on MWG site under live shows ...... Blue Table Painting Live
Wed, Nov 19, 3:00 PM Eastern ...just sayin

Please don't troll those guys. They are not a cheering section for BTP. They are more of a Warhammer, 40K, and Warmahordes podcast.

I will second Karnophage here. As tempting as it is, the people on the BTP live show on MWG are not crucial in relation to this whole incident. We should focus on those responsible, not some people doing a painting and gaming podcast.

I'm going to throw in my two cents, though it's short and general. I think the incident was bad, but could have easily been fixed. BTP's reaction to the entire debacle has spiralled the situation out of control to an unsavable place. All the best Tenebre, hope something gets sorted out in your favour

heya folks i just want too clear something up i posted the link too the live show thats ALL! watch dont watch it said nothing of trolling or harassing them ..i have watched the show before the indecent posted in this thread and jhon is a pretty good painter and steve not sure what he dose ..but ok show ..i think the real point here is tenebre got a bad service and the company needs too know that you don't gak where you eat ! bottom line

Karnophage wrote:

 flabluker wrote:
on MWG site under live shows ...... Blue Table Painting Live
Wed, Nov 19, 3:00 PM Eastern ...just sayin

Please don't troll those guys. They are not a cheering section for BTP. They are more of a Warhammer, 40K, and Warmahordes podcast.

So following two youtube videos endorsing Blue Table with snide reference to 'the few who complain', since this thread was posted, and now this 'live show' (which left me with the disturbing visual of neon signs and 'Hey Hey Gately' gyrating around a pole like Alan Partridge's dream sequences...), you really think they're not on the sideline with pompoms and happy dances? Because it's clear as day to me that that's just what MWG have been doing since this came to light, 100% crony endorsement.

'Oh we do videos for all our advertisers'... Pull the other one mate, it's got bells on. The timings, the slanted feedback requests, the freebies and mutual back rubs...


[MOD EDIT - RULE #1 - Alpharius]

Seriously, MWG have entirely come out as partisan in this matter and are using their influence and audience to try and dismiss this entirely legitimate complaint and the outcry over the treatment of the OP. Claims they are anything other than 100% promoting and 100% in the pocket of Blue Table are laughable.

 heartserenade wrote:

 Pete Melvin wrote:

 flabluker wrote:
http://www.bluetablestore.com/terms-of-service/painting-levels

That SW Dread is level 6?! There is decal shine on the right (our left) shoulder pad FFS. 0/10, would not purge with.

Also notice that the barrels from both the SW dread and the DA squad aren't drilled/ not drilled properly

Is it just me or does the level level 3 look ALLOT better and has ALLOT more detail then OP's level 6s?

 Reality-Torrent wrote:
Is it just me or does the level level 3 look ALLOT better and has ALLOT more detail then OP's level 6s?

It isn't just you. It was my immediate thought upon seeing them, too. I also noticed that I couldn't see any real improvements in quality as the "levels" went up. Then there are things like one level stating that the models will be "clean", and then a higher level stating that the models with have "no slops"... so, a model can have slops yet also be considered clean? What?

This just furthers the point that BTP's whole "levels" system is a bunch of crap.

 Reality-Torrent wrote:

 heartserenade wrote:

 Pete Melvin wrote:

 flabluker wrote:
http://www.bluetablestore.com/terms-of-service/painting-levels

That SW Dread is level 6?! There is decal shine on the right (our left) shoulder pad FFS. 0/10, would not purge with.

Also notice that the barrels from both the SW dread and the DA squad aren't drilled/ not drilled properly

Is it just me or does the level level 3 look ALLOT better and has ALLOT more detail then OP's level 6s?

Yeah, the examples are of course, better than the product you are liable to receive.
But $100 USD for the bull centaurs, which were level 6, and had basically NO details picked out. That wasn't level 3 for such a large model. Hair and skulls etc, could have been picked out, even if the quality of their painting was lower, at tier 3. Tier 6, the maximum tier, which has 6 levels of shading, it's inexcusable.